Any Class C guys running a 2.9.
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If anyone else is running a 2.9 12v v6 I've stumbled across a guy with a 2.9 built by mass engines.. good for circa 200 bhp apparently running on a carb, and complete with light flywheel and twin plate paddle clutch... The chap wants 500 quid for it if anyone is interested.
It turns over ok, but other than that i've no idea on condition..
G
It turns over ok, but other than that i've no idea on condition..
G
TVRleigh_BBWR said:
NTEL said:
I run a 2.9 12v but its got a few more ponies than that 
Would not boast too much else they may start having loggers in Class C.I only had 180 BHP last year but had to run class B.
TVRleigh_BBWR said:
NTEL said:
I run a 2.9 12v but its got a few more ponies than that
Would not boast too much else they may start having loggers in Class C.I only had 180 BHP last year but had to run class B.
NTEL said:
Leigh, I think data loggers in Class C is the way to go. I have no problems with that. That fact that you had 180bhp in your car is neither here nor there. Its a V8 and the rules state that rover V8s are class B cars.
It would be interesting to run a logger in C on a couple of cars just to see what power the different cars are putting out. with a view to a possible BHP limit in the future if required.Dave do you think a bhp limit in C is needed as well as the capacity and V6 limit? All the cars seemed fairly close..
The V8 argument has been done to death, The basic issue is the v8 has loads more torque, and ultimately its torque that wins races. the place for V8's is B. Ok class B does cover a wide band, but if there were enough cars in the class you could split it. The trouble is its fairly easy to make a V8 a lot quicker than the boat anchor of a v6.
Graham said:
Dave do you think a bhp limit in C is needed as well as the capacity and V6 limit? All the cars seemed fairly close..
In a word, yes. I think that, generally, the rules for class C should be tightened up espicially in terms of power to weight ratio. Otherwise whats stopping somebody buying a Cossy 24v, with the right bits in it, running at 300 bhp, and then beating the pants off everybody. Then, to be competetive, everybody else has got to spend a fortune to keep up.Edited by NTEL on Friday 6th November 06:43
NTEL said:
Graham said:
Dave do you think a bhp limit in C is needed as well as the capacity and V6 limit? All the cars seemed fairly close..
In a word, yes. I think that, generally, the rules for class C should be tightened up espicially in terms of power to weight ratio. Otherwise whats stopping somebody buying a Cossy 24v, with the right bits in it, running at 300 bhp, and then beating the pants off everybody. Then, to be competetive, everybody else has got to spend a fortune to keep up.Edited by NTEL on Friday 6th November 06:43
What would you suggest any policed regulation would be (in terms of PTW and engine size), and do you think the additional cost of policing - probably around 800 quid for someone without the time or the ability to fit a datalogger themselves, may put some folk off?
Edited by TVR_owner on Friday 6th November 07:37
Just to add, the cost would likely be more like £500 (actually slightly less as I believe there is a TVR championship discount). And I would think that most people should be competent enough to install one - All you'll need is an ignition feed & earth, then a couple of self tappers and some cable ties to install the kit and I can do the rest for you.
The power to weight I used to police with Mickey Holden was 175bhp per ton @ the rear wheels - would this be a reasonable amount? Or have people's engines and weight savings risen above this level would you think?
The power to weight I used to police with Mickey Holden was 175bhp per ton @ the rear wheels - would this be a reasonable amount? Or have people's engines and weight savings risen above this level would you think?
450Nick said:
Just to add, the cost would likely be more like £500 (actually slightly less as I believe there is a TVR championship discount). And I would think that most people should be competent enough to install one - All you'll need is an ignition feed & earth, then a couple of self tappers and some cable ties to install the kit and I can do the rest for you.
The power to weight I used to police with Mickey Holden was 175bhp per ton @ the rear wheels - would this be a reasonable amount? Or have people's engines and weight savings risen above this level would you think?
Not for anyone but John R really Nick. Lifting limits is not the answer though IMO - it just makes more cars uncompetitive unless much more money and time is spent. The power to weight I used to police with Mickey Holden was 175bhp per ton @ the rear wheels - would this be a reasonable amount? Or have people's engines and weight savings risen above this level would you think?
TVR_owner said:
NTEL said:
Graham said:
Dave do you think a bhp limit in C is needed as well as the capacity and V6 limit? All the cars seemed fairly close..
In a word, yes. I think that, generally, the rules for class C should be tightened up espicially in terms of power to weight ratio. Otherwise whats stopping somebody buying a Cossy 24v, with the right bits in it, running at 300 bhp, and then beating the pants off everybody. Then, to be competetive, everybody else has got to spend a fortune to keep up.Edited by NTEL on Friday 6th November 06:43
What would you suggest any policed regulation would be (in terms of PTW and engine size), and do you think the additional cost of policing - probably around 800 quid for someone without the time or the ability to fit a datalogger themselves, may put some folk off?
Edited by TVR_owner on Friday 6th November 07:37
As someone who just wants to enjoy having the odd blag round a track I certainly won't be fitting a datalogger. Thus far in the championship they haven't been used for what they were meant to police anyhow! Did any coast down tests happen last year?
In my view Class C was pretty even this year. as long as people keep to using the original engines in the cars then their won't be a problem. The only rub regards this are people who already have non original engines who would be aggrieved if the rules were changed so this would need to be carefully considered either via class bumping or by running an invitation class.
There are currently 3 or so cars running non original engines. who would need consultation. There are hopefully more C cars due to appear next year as long as the rules are set out NOW before anyone opens their own wallet then I cannot see it being too contentious
Banning aero would certainly close up the field in A and I would has it at a guess that the majority of the drivers in A would actually welcome No aero in 2010?
N.
heightswitch said:
TVR_owner said:
NTEL said:
Graham said:
Dave do you think a bhp limit in C is needed as well as the capacity and V6 limit? All the cars seemed fairly close..
In a word, yes. I think that, generally, the rules for class C should be tightened up espicially in terms of power to weight ratio. Otherwise whats stopping somebody buying a Cossy 24v, with the right bits in it, running at 300 bhp, and then beating the pants off everybody. Then, to be competetive, everybody else has got to spend a fortune to keep up.Edited by NTEL on Friday 6th November 06:43
What would you suggest any policed regulation would be (in terms of PTW and engine size), and do you think the additional cost of policing - probably around 800 quid for someone without the time or the ability to fit a datalogger themselves, may put some folk off?
Edited by TVR_owner on Friday 6th November 07:37
As someone who just wants to enjoy having the odd blag round a track I certainly won't be fitting a datalogger. Thus far in the championship they haven't been used for what they were meant to police anyhow! Did any coast down tests happen last year?
In my view Class C was pretty even this year. as long as people keep to using the original engines in the cars then their won't be a problem. The only rub regards this are people who already have non original engines who would be aggrieved if the rules were changed so this would need to be carefully considered either via class bumping or by running an invitation class.
There are currently 3 or so cars running non original engines. who would need consultation. There are hopefully more C cars due to appear next year as long as the rules are set out NOW before anyone opens their own wallet then I cannot see it being too contentious
Banning aero would certainly close up the field in A and I would has it at a guess that the majority of the drivers in A would actually welcome No aero in 2010?
N.
Mike
heightswitch said:
In my view Class C was pretty even this year. as long as people keep to using the original engines in the cars then their won't be a problem. The only rub regards this are people who already have non original engines who would be aggrieved if the rules were changed so this would need to be carefully considered either via class bumping or by running an invitation class.
There are currently 3 or so cars running non original engines. who would need consultation.
Neil,There are currently 3 or so cars running non original engines. who would need consultation.
Its more than that if you were to be keen on the point. The only V6 ever fitted to a Tasmin was a 2.8.
I think we would be throwing out babies with bath water and its extreme to correct a thus far ficticous scenario.
I've said my last on the subject because.........after having a bad weekend at Oulton as a result of trying to repair the consequences of sorting what was a tiny oil leak on my (original fittmnent
) engine, I have stopped trying to fix thinks unless they are very very broken.. For now, I don't think Class C is.Edited by TVR_owner on Friday 6th November 09:15
heightswitch said:
Why not just ban non original engines and aero? or have an invitation class for those that have non original engines and aero so as not to prevent anyone currently in the championship from racing?
As someone who just wants to enjoy having the odd blag round a track I certainly won't be fitting a datalogger. Thus far in the championship they haven't been used for what they were meant to police anyhow! Did any coast down tests happen last year?
In my view Class C was pretty even this year. as long as people keep to using the original engines in the cars then their won't be a problem. The only rub regards this are people who already have non original engines who would be aggrieved if the rules were changed so this would need to be carefully considered either via class bumping or by running an invitation class.
There are currently 3 or so cars running non original engines. who would need consultation. There are hopefully more C cars due to appear next year as long as the rules are set out NOW before anyone opens their own wallet then I cannot see it being too contentious
Banning aero would certainly close up the field in A and I would has it at a guess that the majority of the drivers in A would actually welcome No aero in 2010?
N.
Those that race in the series will decide what happens without any influence from the elsewhere is the only way this will get sorted As someone who just wants to enjoy having the odd blag round a track I certainly won't be fitting a datalogger. Thus far in the championship they haven't been used for what they were meant to police anyhow! Did any coast down tests happen last year?
In my view Class C was pretty even this year. as long as people keep to using the original engines in the cars then their won't be a problem. The only rub regards this are people who already have non original engines who would be aggrieved if the rules were changed so this would need to be carefully considered either via class bumping or by running an invitation class.
There are currently 3 or so cars running non original engines. who would need consultation. There are hopefully more C cars due to appear next year as long as the rules are set out NOW before anyone opens their own wallet then I cannot see it being too contentious
Banning aero would certainly close up the field in A and I would has it at a guess that the majority of the drivers in A would actually welcome No aero in 2010?
N.
TVR_owner said:
kg55 said:
Those that race in the series will decide what happens without any influence from elsewhere...
These are not my words as my last post was my last on the subject...Cough...bit harsh....not sure it's true either
Edited by TVR_owner on Friday 6th November 09:53
Whilst I can have no opinion or apparently don't have any right to post one all! I would say that a TVR championship should be exactly what it says on the tin. at what point does the spec of cars descend into being a silouette type championship?
Ruling on aero and engine type keeps to the spirit of the championship. It removes cost, expense and complexity and more importantly does not over burden any regs. it is simple, allows for development of cars without any over the top car specs.
Without it next year I see some very exotic concoctions in C with 175hp at the wheels!!
now wheres that Zytec normally aspirated V6 that I need to de-tune.
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