C4 Monday 8pm - Dambusters: Building the Boucing Bomb
C4 Monday 8pm - Dambusters: Building the Boucing Bomb
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CobolMan

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1,430 posts

233 months

Sunday 1st May 2011
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Just a heads up for what looks to be an interesting documentary tomorrow evening.

Mr E Driver

8,542 posts

210 months

Monday 2nd May 2011
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Radio Times said:
Dambusters: Building the Bouncing Bomb
Highlight

Monday 02 May
8:00pm - 10:00pm
Channel 4

The story of Barnes Wallis's bouncing bombs and 617 Squadron's bombing raid on the dams of the Ruhr valley has been elevated to almost mythical status - mainly thanks to the 1950 film. Here, Cambridge lecturer Dr Hugh Hunt (a world expert on rotating objects) takes on the complex, dangerous task of trying to re-create the raid. It's a massive project that includes the building of a small dam in north-west Canada. At two hours, it's a long haul, but the many setbacks and layering on of tension do help give a greater understanding of the cunning and daring of Wallis.

Radio Times reviewer - David Crawford
Been looking forward to this......

Simpo Two

92,027 posts

291 months

Monday 2nd May 2011
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It was recreated from the aircrew prespective a few years ago using current RAF personnel - navigating a simulated Lancaster to Germany at low level in moonlight, finding the target and attacking it. The conclusion was a 'probable' smile

Mr_B

10,480 posts

269 months

Monday 2nd May 2011
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Saw a clip on TV just now showing them dropping a mini upkeep mine, looks quite good and at 2 hours long, should hopefully be able to go in depth a little more and not skip or gloss over large chunks of detail.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

310 months

Monday 2nd May 2011
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Re simulator and the aircrew had to learn the "old" ways of navigating. It was good. CH4 I think.

Anyway. Looking forward to this.

FourWheelDrift

92,074 posts

310 months

Monday 2nd May 2011
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Why, why, why, why, why do they have to show the successful release and dam target hit at the start of the programme? They do it in so many programmes these days as well.

Everyone watching knows they succeed so I find it hard to expect many people will want to watch 2hrs of build up already knowing the outcome.

Even if they didn't see the previews/video online etc.

SammyW

733 posts

246 months

Monday 2nd May 2011
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Watching it now, hope it's worth 2 hours of my time. So far so good!

Simpo Two

92,027 posts

291 months

Monday 2nd May 2011
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Wait until the audience votes some of the bombs off...

sidewayz

2,681 posts

267 months

Monday 2nd May 2011
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Nine feet. Three hundred and fifty miles an hour. Tail off. Oh my god!

jmorgan

36,010 posts

310 months

Monday 2nd May 2011
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Jeepers. That tail off... I knew they were thinking of using it for ships during WWII but did not know they experimented after WWII.

Mr E Driver

8,542 posts

210 months

Monday 2nd May 2011
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FourWheelDrift said:
Why, why, why, why, why do they have to show the successful release and dam target hit at the start of the programme? They do it in so many programmes these days as well.

Everyone watching knows they succeed so I find it hard to expect many people will want to watch 2hrs of build up already knowing the outcome.

Even if they didn't see the previews/video online etc.
Thanks for that succinct snippet of info, I purposely missed the beginning for this very reason rolleyes

You should have headed your post with 'contains spoiler' irked

FourWheelDrift

92,074 posts

310 months

Monday 2nd May 2011
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We won the war as well.

anonymous-user

80 months

Monday 2nd May 2011
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FourWheelDrift said:
We won the war as well.
Yeah, both of them. And one world cup.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

310 months

Monday 2nd May 2011
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Spinning a thing like that from take off going to affect the plane?

hidetheelephants

34,510 posts

219 months

Monday 2nd May 2011
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jmorgan said:
Spinning a thing like that from take off going to affect the plane?
Not actually watching the prog(will catch it on +1 or 4OD), but did the original system not spin them up shortly before dropping?

Simpo Two

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291 months

Monday 2nd May 2011
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hidetheelephants said:
Not actually watching the prog(will catch it on +1 or 4OD), but did the original system not spin them up shortly before dropping?
I believe so. There would have to be a gyroscopic effect from 10 tons spinning round - might explain that Russian airliner! - but as they were flying straight and level by then I imgaine the effect would be minimal.

davepoth

29,395 posts

225 months

Monday 2nd May 2011
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Simpo Two said:
I believe so. There would have to be a gyroscopic effect from 10 tons spinning round - might explain that Russian airliner! - but as they were flying straight and level by then I imgaine the effect would be minimal.
They had a merlin engine in the fuselage IIRC, that's why they had to pull the top turret out.

FourWheelDrift

92,074 posts

310 months

Monday 2nd May 2011
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davepoth said:
They had a merlin engine in the fuselage IIRC, that's why they had to pull the top turret out.
Modified Ford V8 - http://www.outermarker.co.uk/Articles/Dambusters65...

And other sources.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

310 months

Monday 2nd May 2011
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Bomb spinning here
http://www.dambusters.org.uk/Bomb.html

So, who is right?

From the link
Dambusters web site said:
Once loaded and fitted in place the mine was initially intended to be spun by a Ford V8 engine but this was not implemented, Instead the hydraulic supply normally used for the mid-upper turret [removed of course on the Type 464 provisioning aircraft] was used to power a Vickers "Janny" hydraulic motor [originally believed to have been designed, for the steering gear of submarines] the speed of rotation being controlled by the W/Op who monitored a rev counter and controlled the hydraulic pressure via a control valve to a gearbox and pulley which drove a rubber belt and spun the bomb via a pulley. When the bomb was to be released two spring loaded arms which held it in place were allowed to flip outwards under spring pressure allowing the mine to drop.

Simpo Two

92,027 posts

291 months

Monday 2nd May 2011
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Oops, 4.5 tons, sorry.

That plus a Ford V8 doesn't sound too much for a Lancaster though.