FFF; got the first one today.

[T40ORA]

Thanks for comprehensive reply John.

I know that it has been mapped as part of the development/build, and I know that when it goes back in to RG they will not only be stripping the head to examine the internals but will be making any adjustments as necessary. I know that it sounds niave, but I don't now the extent of the adjustments and I'm leaving it in the hands of the experts.

The effects of too much petrol and bore washing etc were discussed over the weekend (not raised by me but by RG) so they are obviously aware of all the issues and have them addressed, as I would hope and expect them to be. They have too much resting on this to not do it the most appropriate way - they can't afford for engines to eat themselves any more than I can!

However, I will have another discussion with them just to get some more detail on the situation.

[TVR_owner]

all under control







now, about my beer..........

[T40ORA]

Hey yeah. Glad to see you're doing well in the little red M! Might need to have some Champagne with you rather than beer!

Did you get to Jasper's the other weekend/ We had to duck out at the last minute.

[TVR_owner]

T40ORA said:

Hey yeah. Glad to see you're doing well in the little red M! Might need to have some Champagne with you rather than beer!

Did you get to Jasper's the other weekend/ We had to duck out at the last minute.

Jasper who??




No seriously, last weekend was the first time this year Linda and I have not being doing something on or with the M (she's a real star, helping lug engines and things about in the middle of winter is only one of the things that would have tried a normal persons patience to the limit, but not one crossed word)....so we spent the weekend at the lakes with the BNG. I'd forgotten what it was to relax.

This weekends main job is to get the Spain form filled in and the deposit sent back to Jasper. As for Champers rather than beer, a good overall result is still possible in the chapionship, although it now depends on others doing less well than me and the M in the final 4 races.

Either way, the seasons motorsport has scratched an itch, made our bank balance a lot less healthy than I had thought, but its given us something to look back on for a very long time to come. AND its another tick in the boxes that are things to do before it's too late.

The next box lined up for ticking is racing in a classic, non championship, series for next year that could well see the M at Spa and even the Ring.

I was born to be poor

[MrsS]

TVR_owner said:

I was born to be poor

[willtvr]

As a matter of interest who is your engine builder John? If you saw the spec of my engine you'll see its got RR injectors to cope with the extra fuel requirement and its using Jason's specific chip. Would you consider it will require re-mapping and if so at what mileage and by whom? Always keen to listen to your advice!

[Don1]

So are there maps intelligent enough to react to an engine changing, going out of tune etc, and adjusting accordingly?

[T40ORA]

D14 AYS said:

Hi Lee,

How much? PM me if you prefer

OK, here is the price list from RG;

The price of the 'standard' Triple F Engine is £7995.

On top of this you need to add VAT and removal/fitting of engine.

Below is a list of the options


Triple “F” type engine

1) Racing Green cylinder head stud, nut and washer kit included in price

2) Dynamic engine balance included in price

3) CNC Gas flow cylinder head included in price

4) Lightweight flywheel £325.00

5) Fast road camshaft upgrade (272 duration) included in price

6) Equal length exhaust manifolds (per pair) £1625.00

7) Sports catalytic converters (per pair) £750.00

8) Lighweight, billet, cross drilled, fully linked big end oil feed, half counterweight, EN40 material crankshaft £1950.00

9) Race type clutch triple plate clutch c/w comp slave cylinder £1012.00

10) 3.6 to 4.0 conversion £1500.00

11) Ceramic coating for exhaust manifolds (std or equal length) £250.00

12) Lightweight simplex timing chain conversion included in price

13) Omex engine management upgrade kit £1500.00

Please don't involve me in a price comparison row/discussion! You pays your money and takes your pick.

I know that the other respected guys out there are doing a damned good job; I decided to go with RG as they have designed in what I consider to be evolutionary changes which will give me much better engine longevity. IMHO! As I said, pays your money and takes your pick....

BTW the spec on the engine is...

Reground nitrided crankshaft, fully balanced
New mains, big end and thrust bearings
New forged connecting rods, fully balanced
New ARP 2000 rod bolts
Rebored or relined block
New forged D10 coated pistons, fully balanced
New high spec piston rings
New high specification timing chains
Fully lightened sprocket set
New later style upper timing chain tensioner
Modified half time bearing shaft with
pressure oil feed
New half time bearings
New lower tensioner bearings
New sump baffle panel
New oil seals and O rings
New Filtermag
New MLS head gasket
New Colsibro valve guides
New inlet valves
New Stellite seated exhaust valves
New modified valve springs
New steel valve seat inserts

I can't find the details but included in the 3.6 - 4.0 upgrade were new uprated injectors. I'll look up the spec on them.

Edited by T40ORA on Tuesday 1st September 22:27

Edited by T40ORA on Tuesday 1st September 22:29

[TVR_owner]

willtvr said:

As a matter of interest who is your engine builder John? If you saw the spec of my engine you'll see its got RR injectors to cope with the extra fuel requirement and its using Jason's specific chip. Would you consider it will require re-mapping and if so at what mileage and by whom? Always keen to listen to your advice!

Rather not post his details on here but pm if you're interested. If its been mapped already for the engine spec then I'm sure it's fine. I guess Jason would be best to advise if there are further benefits to be had from a remap.

[TVR_owner]

T40ORA said:

D14 AYS said:

Hi Lee,

How much? PM me if you prefer

OK, here is the price list from RG;

The price of the 'standard' Triple F Engine is £7995.

On top of this you need to add VAT and removal/fitting of engine.

Below is a list of the options


Triple “F” type engine

1) Racing Green cylinder head stud, nut and washer kit included in price

2) Dynamic engine balance included in price

3) CNC Gas flow cylinder head included in price

4) Lightweight flywheel £325.00

5) Fast road camshaft upgrade (272 duration) included in price

6) Equal length exhaust manifolds (per pair) £1625.00

7) Sports catalytic converters (per pair) £750.00

8) Lighweight, billet, cross drilled, fully linked big end oil feed, half counterweight, EN40 material crankshaft £1950.00

9) Race type clutch triple plate clutch c/w comp slave cylinder £1012.00

10) 3.6 to 4.0 conversion £1500.00

11) Ceramic coating for exhaust manifolds (std or equal length) £250.00

12) Lightweight simplex timing chain conversion included in price

13) Omex engine management upgrade kit £1500.00

Please don't involve me in a price comparison row/discussion! You pays your money and takes your pick.

I know that the other respected guys out there are doing a damned good job; I decided to go with RG as they have designed in what I consider to be evolutionary changes which will give me much better engine longevity. IMHO! As I said, pays your money and takes your pick....

BTW the spec on the engine is...

Reground nitrided crankshaft, fully balanced
New mains, big end and thrust bearings
New forged connecting rods, fully balanced
New ARP 2000 rod bolts
Rebored or relined block
New forged D10 coated pistons, fully balanced
New high spec piston rings
New high specification timing chains
Fully lightened sprocket set
New later style upper timing chain tensioner
Modified half time bearing shaft with
pressure oil feed
New half time bearings
New lower tensioner bearings
New sump baffle panel
New oil seals and O rings
New Filtermag
New MLS head gasket
New Colsibro valve guides
New inlet valves
New Stellite seated exhaust valves
New modified valve springs
New steel valve seat inserts

I can't find the details but included in the 3.6 - 4.0 upgrade were new uprated injectors. I'll look up the spec on them.

Edited by T40ORA on Tuesday 1st September 22:27

Edited by T40ORA on Tuesday 1st September 22:29

Lee,
I see you quote a bilet crank in the options list, but then a regrind in your spec. Did you not go for a new crank? Must say I'm very suprised RG are using the old ones if indeed this is the case.

[TVR_owner]

Don1 said:

So are there maps intelligent enough to react to an engine changing, going out of tune etc, and adjusting accordingly?

The map is adaptive so it will adjust in some ways but its a lap top job for a retune, and normally between services to keep the motor sweet.

[PascalBuyens]

TVR_owner said:

T40ORA said:

D14 AYS said:

Hi Lee,

How much? PM me if you prefer

OK, here is the price list from RG;

The price of the 'standard' Triple F Engine is £7995.

On top of this you need to add VAT and removal/fitting of engine.

Below is a list of the options


Triple “F” type engine

1) Racing Green cylinder head stud, nut and washer kit included in price

2) Dynamic engine balance included in price

3) CNC Gas flow cylinder head included in price

4) Lightweight flywheel £325.00

5) Fast road camshaft upgrade (272 duration) included in price

6) Equal length exhaust manifolds (per pair) £1625.00

7) Sports catalytic converters (per pair) £750.00

8) Lighweight, billet, cross drilled, fully linked big end oil feed, half counterweight, EN40 material crankshaft £1950.00

9) Race type clutch triple plate clutch c/w comp slave cylinder £1012.00

10) 3.6 to 4.0 conversion £1500.00

11) Ceramic coating for exhaust manifolds (std or equal length) £250.00

12) Lightweight simplex timing chain conversion included in price

13) Omex engine management upgrade kit £1500.00

Please don't involve me in a price comparison row/discussion! You pays your money and takes your pick.

I know that the other respected guys out there are doing a damned good job; I decided to go with RG as they have designed in what I consider to be evolutionary changes which will give me much better engine longevity. IMHO! As I said, pays your money and takes your pick....

BTW the spec on the engine is...

Reground nitrided crankshaft, fully balanced
New mains, big end and thrust bearings
New forged connecting rods, fully balanced
New ARP 2000 rod bolts
Rebored or relined block
New forged D10 coated pistons, fully balanced
New high spec piston rings
New high specification timing chains
Fully lightened sprocket set
New later style upper timing chain tensioner
Modified half time bearing shaft with
pressure oil feed
New half time bearings
New lower tensioner bearings
New sump baffle panel
New oil seals and O rings
New Filtermag
New MLS head gasket
New Colsibro valve guides
New inlet valves
New Stellite seated exhaust valves
New modified valve springs
New steel valve seat inserts

I can't find the details but included in the 3.6 - 4.0 upgrade were new uprated injectors. I'll look up the spec on them.

Edited by T40ORA on Tuesday 1st September 22:27

Edited by T40ORA on Tuesday 1st September 22:29

Lee,
I see you quote a bilet crank in the options list, but then a regrind in your spec. Did you not go for a new crank? Must say I'm very suprised RG are using the old ones if indeed this is the case.

John, the lightweight billet crank is an option you can specify over the new "standard" (in terms of weight) nitrided crank. There are no parts that are reused in the rebuild.

And then of course, you have, like I will, a custom made crank

[Blackbullet]

MrsS said:

TVR_owner said:

I was born to be poor

[T40ORA]

PascalBuyens said:

And then of course, you have, like I will, a custom made crank

Oh you just always have to be different....

[TVR_owner]

PascalBuyens said:

John, the lightweight billet crank is an option you can specify over the new "standard" (in terms of weight) nitrided crank. There are no parts that are reused in the rebuild.

And then of course, you have, like I will, a custom made crank

I was suprised that Lee suggested a regrind, which is obviously not a new crank.

[T40ORA]

Just whipped it from info I had from months ago.

[TVR_owner]

T40ORA said:

Just whipped it from info I had from months ago.

You realy need to read-up on this engine lark

[T40ORA]

TVR_owner said:

T40ORA said:

Just whipped it from info I had from months ago.

You realy need to read-up on this engine lark

Put petrol in,top up oil and water, serviced regularly, it goes fast. Simples

[D14 AYS]

T40ORA said:

Thanks Lee, good to know all options

[T40ORA]

D14 AYS said:

T40ORA said:

Thanks Lee, good to know all options

My pleasure Dean. If it sadly comes to the time of rebuild it's worth popping in to talk turkey with them. They will obviously do a package discount, and it's good to see first hand what they are offering before you make any choices.