Man throws dog off bridge

[Justayellowbadge]

WorAl said:

WTF is a merderer though?

A killer.

But also a bit of a st.

And French.

An unappealing combination.

[Rollcage]

zakelwe said:

WorAl said:

Zak I fear you are taking this far too literally.

But the bloke with the dog should have something done to him that would make him stop in his tracks and think about doing it again (a punishment fitting of the crime). Yes if you threw your fat Hamsters off a bridge I would give you a fking good kicking for it as I did a lad in my street for kicking a hedgehog around the place.

Far too literally? In what way? People said they would throw people off a bridge as punishment for throwing a dog off, how else do I take it? Or now given a counter argument are you now watering down yours? Seems like it, because now you are saying make him think again, he can't do that if he is dead. Just a kicking for fat hamsters eh? Why the lesser punishment than a dog? Dogs are more important! Nope. We empathise more with dogs so people end up typing stupid stuff on their keyboard.


Andy

I think that part of the problem is that people know that the punishment this guy will receive from the legal system will be pretty low level, and certainly will not fit the crime either. Hence the passionate responses we are seeing.

Punishment does indeed need to fit the crime - certainly if this were the case in Britain today, crime levels would be vastly lower than they are.

In this particular case, I have little doubt that justice will be met, and it wont be via the Lithuanian courts.

[zakelwe]

Marf said:

zakelwe said:

What you mean like the USA? They have really tough crime laws out there. So obviously they have lots less crime. Give me the figures for number of homicides per 100 000 capita for UK and the USA. Guess who has a lot worse?

Overall though they have lower crime rates per capita

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_perc...

broken down further:-

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/uk-united-king...

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/us-united-stat...

Edited by Marf on Thursday 19th November 19:55

Those figures I wouldn't trust. Take kidnappings for instance

1. 1 United Kingdom: 3,261 kidnappings
2. 2 South Africa: 3,071 kidnapping

In 5 years there were 3261 kidnappings in the UK, or 2 a day everyday ? More than South Africa?

Also, the amount of murders by firearms says 14 whereas it has averaged between 40 and 70 for the last 10 years according to government statistics.

So I take those with a very large pinch of salt.

Andy

[zakelwe]

Rollcage said:

zakelwe said:

WorAl said:

Zak I fear you are taking this far too literally.

But the bloke with the dog should have something done to him that would make him stop in his tracks and think about doing it again (a punishment fitting of the crime). Yes if you threw your fat Hamsters off a bridge I would give you a fking good kicking for it as I did a lad in my street for kicking a hedgehog around the place.

Far too literally? In what way? People said they would throw people off a bridge as punishment for throwing a dog off, how else do I take it? Or now given a counter argument are you now watering down yours? Seems like it, because now you are saying make him think again, he can't do that if he is dead. Just a kicking for fat hamsters eh? Why the lesser punishment than a dog? Dogs are more important! Nope. We empathise more with dogs so people end up typing stupid stuff on their keyboard.


Andy

I think that part of the problem is that people know that the punishment this guy will receive from the legal system will be pretty low level, and certainly will not fit the crime either. Hence the passionate responses we are seeing.

Punishment does indeed need to fit the crime - certainly if this were the case in Britain today, crime levels would be vastly lower than they are.

In this particular case, I have little doubt that justice will be met, and it wont be via the Lithuanian courts.

Yes I agree Rollcage.

[Marf]

zakelwe said:

Marf said:

zakelwe said:

What you mean like the USA? They have really tough crime laws out there. So obviously they have lots less crime. Give me the figures for number of homicides per 100 000 capita for UK and the USA. Guess who has a lot worse?

Overall though they have lower crime rates per capita

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_perc...

broken down further:-

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/uk-united-king...

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/us-united-stat...

Edited by Marf on Thursday 19th November 19:55

Those figures I wouldn't trust. Take kidnappings for instance

1. 1 United Kingdom: 3,261 kidnappings
2. 2 South Africa: 3,071 kidnapping

In 5 years there were 3261 kidnappings in the UK, or 2 a day everyday ? More than South Africa?

Also, the amount of murders by firearms says 14 whereas it has averaged between 40 and 70 for the last 10 years according to government statistics.

So I take those with a very large pinch of salt.

Andy

Fair enough, they don't fit your world view, I don't blame you for not believing them.

FWIW my cousin has been in the Met for over 20 years, he did a stint in their kidnap unit. You'd be surprised how often kidnappings occur Mainly drugs related

[okgo]

God, I just spent a while reading a 50 page thead about that hammer video, they also brought up the beheading of that russian soldier by chechen rebels, I haven't watched any of it, but was interested to read peoples thoughts. My verdict is that there are some fked up people out there.

[kVA]

Rollcage said:

In this particular case, I have little doubt that justice will be met, and it wont be via the Lithuanian courts.

I think you are right there... This guys best bet is to be locked up for long enough for people's memories and anger to disappear: Outside of solitary confinement, he will be lucky to ever have a good night's sleep again.

On the other hand, if he does go to jail, he may just meet his demise there, as many really dangerous criminals are bizarrely devoted pet-lovers.

[bonsai]

Los Palmas 7 said:

It's just a dog.

You've don't have dogs do you?

[zakelwe]

Marf said:

Fair enough, they don't fit your world view, I don't blame you for not believing them.

My world view has nothing to do with it, they don't fit actual statistics for the last 10 years. As I said on firearms deaths alone 14 is way to low because it ranges well above that and the average is around 50-60 per year.

Given that figure is rubbish it doesn't give much credence for the rest of them.

Andy

Edited by zakelwe on Thursday 19th November 22:23

[ukwill]

Marf said:

zakelwe said:

Marf said:

zakelwe said:

What you mean like the USA? They have really tough crime laws out there. So obviously they have lots less crime. Give me the figures for number of homicides per 100 000 capita for UK and the USA. Guess who has a lot worse?

Overall though they have lower crime rates per capita

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_perc...

broken down further:-

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/uk-united-king...

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/us-united-stat...

Edited by Marf on Thursday 19th November 19:55

Those figures I wouldn't trust. Take kidnappings for instance

1. 1 United Kingdom: 3,261 kidnappings
2. 2 South Africa: 3,071 kidnapping

In 5 years there were 3261 kidnappings in the UK, or 2 a day everyday ? More than South Africa?

Also, the amount of murders by firearms says 14 whereas it has averaged between 40 and 70 for the last 10 years according to government statistics.

So I take those with a very large pinch of salt.

Andy

Fair enough, they don't fit your world view, I don't blame you for not believing them.

FWIW my cousin has been in the Met for over 20 years, he did a stint in their kidnap unit. You'd be surprised how often kidnappings occur Mainly drugs related

it's like pulling one of those pieces of cord on the back of the action man doll...

[Marf]

[ukwill]

you produced stats, he didn't like the look of them, so disreguarded them... and then continued to spout on.

I laughed. But then I am still quite drunk.

[Marf]

Oh yes, I see

[WorAl]

zakelwe said:

WorAl said:

Zak I fear you are taking this far too literally.

But the bloke with the dog should have something done to him that would make him stop in his tracks and think about doing it again (a punishment fitting of the crime). Yes if you threw your fat Hamsters off a bridge I would give you a fking good kicking for it as I did a lad in my street for kicking a hedgehog around the place.

Far too literally? In what way? People said they would throw people off a bridge as punishment for throwing a dog off, how else do I take it? Or now given a counter argument are you now watering down yours? Seems like it, because now you are saying make him think again, he can't do that if he is dead. Just a kicking for fat hamsters eh? Why the lesser punishment than a dog? Dogs are more important! Nope. We empathise more with dogs so people end up typing stupid stuff on their keyboard.


Andy

In what way? in a way that you actually think that the people on here would actually throw him off the bridge you fool. Ok maybe some would but thats their view on it. If I had saw what he done that day he would have had a kicking yes, I said to throw him off the bridge also, actually carrying out that punishment I doubt I would do - thats how you are taking it too literally.

As for the stats produced, you dont like the numbers so they must be wrong and disregard them. fair enough how can i argue with that?

[WorAl]

Zak - Scroll to the bottom to view Total Crimes

Given the population of the good old US of A I would say its a better place to live - but those stats wont suit what you are saying, so you wont be happy.


usa population

uk population

Edited by WorAl on Friday 20th November 09:41

[Halb]

WorAl said:

zakelwe said:

WorAl said:

Zak I fear you are taking this far too literally.

But the bloke with the dog should have something done to him that would make him stop in his tracks and think about doing it again (a punishment fitting of the crime). Yes if you threw your fat Hamsters off a bridge I would give you a fking good kicking for it as I did a lad in my street for kicking a hedgehog around the place.

Far too literally? In what way? People said they would throw people off a bridge as punishment for throwing a dog off, how else do I take it? Or now given a counter argument are you now watering down yours? Seems like it, because now you are saying make him think again, he can't do that if he is dead. Just a kicking for fat hamsters eh? Why the lesser punishment than a dog? Dogs are more important! Nope. We empathise more with dogs so people end up typing stupid stuff on their keyboard.


Andy

In what way? in a way that you actually think that the people on here would actually throw him off the bridge you fool. Ok maybe some would but thats their view on it. If I had saw what he done that day he would have had a kicking yes, I said to throw him off the bridge also, actually carrying out that punishment I doubt I would do - thats how you are taking it too literally.

As for the stats produced, you dont like the numbers so they must be wrong and disregard them. fair enough how can i argue with that?

By using more disregard?;)

[ApexJimi]

okgo said:

God, I just spent a while reading a 50 page thead about that hammer video, they also brought up the beheading of that russian soldier by chechen rebels, I haven't watched any of it, but was interested to read peoples thoughts. My verdict is that there are some fked up people out there.

Yes, quite.

After reading about these bs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnepropetrovsk_maniac... I ended up reading a thread on a forum called "oh look, it's a foum" (or OLAF) in respect of the footage of these animals hammering & stabbing a man to death. I didn't watch the video, but I did read the thread.

I urge anyone on this thread to go over and read it, based on what I've read, I equally urge you not to watch the video but certainly to read the thread - in particular, comments from "sickphuq" and "TheKiller" are particularly eye-opening.

[Morningside]

ApexJimi said:

in particular, comments from "sickphuq" and "TheKiller" are particularly eye-opening.

Found the thread. I think it would be very disturbing if these two met each other. It would form a very frightening partnership.

[WorAl]

Morningside said:

ApexJimi said:

in particular, comments from "sickphuq" and "TheKiller" are particularly eye-opening.

Found the thread. I think it would be very disturbing if these two met each other. It would form a very frightening partnership.

Sure its not just a case of this?

[ApexJimi]

Nope, I'm fairly sure neither of those guys are keyboard warriors.

To be fair, "sickphuq" does appear to understand that it is very wrong, and doesn't have any qualms about admitting that what he has done in the past was wrong too. Although, I'd still say he's very much "out there" and in all probability, quite an unhinged person.

The person (a woman I believe) who said that the guy's moaning got on her nerves and that she chuckled when they went for his eyes with the screwdriver, is either trolling for a reaction, or she is one scary individual, in that she can find amusement in such things