Irishman takes it out on wikipedia...
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grumbledoak said:
mickk said:
A 'touch' of handball, then, by the sound of it! Poor form, and commiserations Ireland.and the google search still is priceless.
Eric Mc said:
Cheating - or is that now looked on as an admirable trait?
Yes. IN SPADES. The trick is not to get caught. Ask any MP. Ask any banker.Anyone see Ars'ole Wanger yesterday?
His defence of TH was that he's played really well for the past 10 years and that other 'sportsmen' have
done far worse. What on earth has that got to do with the price of eggs? The man was caught in full view
of the world cheating. The fact that the relevant officials failed to see the cheat cheating is irrelevant.
TH has even admitted his guilt, yet AW attempts to defend him. In TH's defence he would welcome a
rematch. To me that speaks volumes. He confirms the moral corruption in the system. I bet off the
record he'd say that he doesn't like playing that way either, but winning at all costs is expected of him. If
he doesn't risk getting caught, someone else will, and that could be the difference between his team's
success or failure. The best thing TH did was to endorse a replay. If he really meant it with all his heart
then it shows he has some integrity left and that his behaviour is really the product of the system.
Although a cynic might think he knows a replay will never be allowed so he's just said it to try and
appease the many people who would dearly like to wring his bloody neck for so blatantly bringing their
'beautiful game' into disrepute!
Integrity is for plebs like you and I. It sure is one f u c k e d up world.
Any suggestions how to change this 'new world order' would be greatly appreciated by myself and I
suspect many others.
Sensible answers on a postcard. [/rant over]
eta expanded rant a bit!
PS I am so glad Im not a football fan. Not sure I could cope with the disillusionment.
Edited by pacman1 on Saturday 21st November 12:06
Sadly, you are pretty much spot on. People are now admired and rewarded for:
deceitfulness
dishonesty
willingness to cheat and lie
lack of integrity
lack of knowledge
their ability to "get away with things"
The old opposing values are seen as being for "losers", "nerds", saddos" etc
Will a different cultural view ever return - who knows?
deceitfulness
dishonesty
willingness to cheat and lie
lack of integrity
lack of knowledge
their ability to "get away with things"
The old opposing values are seen as being for "losers", "nerds", saddos" etc
Will a different cultural view ever return - who knows?
No. We're prisoners of the EU. Free think all you like. Every aspect of our culture will need a rubber stamp before it can be deemed valid now.
A referendum on an EU opt out is the only hope at retaining our cultural values. And that really is what is at stake.
A referendum on an EU opt out is the only hope at retaining our cultural values. And that really is what is at stake.
Edited by pacman1 on Saturday 21st November 12:31
pacman1 said:
No. We're prisoners of the EU. Free think all you like. Every aspect of our culture will need a rubber stamp before it can be deemed valid now.
A referendum on an EU opt out is the only hope at retaining our cultural values. And that really is what is at stake.
I don't think being in the EU has anything to do with it.A referendum on an EU opt out is the only hope at retaining our cultural values. And that really is what is at stake.
Edited by pacman1 on Saturday 21st November 12:31
It is a factor that has arisen as Western culture has become more selfish in its outlook. Whilst I don''t agree with extremist religions of any persuasion, I can see why so many people who are disillusioned with the self-centeredness of modern Western culture take refuge in the more "noble" aspirations of most religions (flawed though these religions may be).
As a society, we have definitely lost any sort of moral compass and this is reflected very often in the behaviour of our sporting stars.
Edited by Eric Mc on Saturday 21st November 13:03
Yes, you're quite right. You have also summed up the religious side of things very well too.
It is indeed a Western culture thing. But don't you think it's the individual culture and traditions of a country that help to give its people their moral compass and sense of belonging? Something that being heavily integrated into the conglomerate of member states will be lost. Hence my dislike of how we've been lead into the EU. Every nation is being streamlined and so are its people. Put simply, it's not just a pound of bananas! Surely basic morality is passed on from one generation to the next, via family values. State and church have their roles in endorsing this, but ultimately it comes from within, from parenting and from ones community.
You can't legislate morality any more than you can legislate common sense.
It is indeed a Western culture thing. But don't you think it's the individual culture and traditions of a country that help to give its people their moral compass and sense of belonging? Something that being heavily integrated into the conglomerate of member states will be lost. Hence my dislike of how we've been lead into the EU. Every nation is being streamlined and so are its people. Put simply, it's not just a pound of bananas! Surely basic morality is passed on from one generation to the next, via family values. State and church have their roles in endorsing this, but ultimately it comes from within, from parenting and from ones community.
You can't legislate morality any more than you can legislate common sense.
Edited by pacman1 on Saturday 21st November 17:35
I think it will take more than dictats, laws or rules from our political masters to "homogenise" the various cultures of Europe. They are too deep rooted for that.
Ironically, for good or ill, the religious beliefs of the various European peoples were partly what helped define them and identify them one from the other. This, of course, hasn't always been such a good thing - so some homgenisation can't be all bad.
Ironically, for good or ill, the religious beliefs of the various European peoples were partly what helped define them and identify them one from the other. This, of course, hasn't always been such a good thing - so some homgenisation can't be all bad.
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