Z4 M Coupe and roadster
Discussion
Mr Whippy said:
wrighty78 said:
Vroomer said:
wrighty78 said:
Vroomer said:
Porscheplayer said:
its amazing what you can convince your self of to justify your own car purchase
Indeed.The thing is, if you don't notice the engine note, the nicer ride (non-rft), the better steering feel, all the things that make the M the M it's performance aside, then it will only ever be seen as a 3.0Si that costs more and goes a bit quicker.
But for plenty it has benefits beyond it's power. Every day driving around, for plenty, it's character will be enough to justify the extra costs before you even start to use the extra performance!
Personally I'd prefer an M for everything BUT it's extra performance, but unfortunately they do cost a significant amount more than an older 3.0i!
I wish BMW would have made the standard Z4's like the M for driver focus, and made the M even more special. Clearly the stock Z4's were made a bit soft to appeal to hair dressers a bit
Dave
Vroomer said:
Mr Whippy said:
wrighty78 said:
Vroomer said:
wrighty78 said:
Vroomer said:
Porscheplayer said:
its amazing what you can convince your self of to justify your own car purchase
Indeed.The thing is, if you don't notice the engine note, the nicer ride (non-rft), the better steering feel, all the things that make the M the M it's performance aside, then it will only ever be seen as a 3.0Si that costs more and goes a bit quicker.
But for plenty it has benefits beyond it's power. Every day driving around, for plenty, it's character will be enough to justify the extra costs before you even start to use the extra performance!
Personally I'd prefer an M for everything BUT it's extra performance, but unfortunately they do cost a significant amount more than an older 3.0i!
I wish BMW would have made the standard Z4's like the M for driver focus, and made the M even more special. Clearly the stock Z4's were made a bit soft to appeal to hair dressers a bit
Dave
Of course, whether M cars will always be like that is another thing, but it seems the MZ4's are for modern BMW M's at least, the real deal
I'll probably get a Tammy next though (if I can still get away with a 2 seat soft top). As good as the M's probably are, I don't think I could buy one now as it'd just not feel as special now.
Dave
Vroomer said:
Mr Whippy said:
wrighty78 said:
Vroomer said:
wrighty78 said:
Vroomer said:
Porscheplayer said:
its amazing what you can convince your self of to justify your own car purchase
Indeed.The thing is, if you don't notice the engine note, the nicer ride (non-rft), the better steering feel, all the things that make the M the M it's performance aside, then it will only ever be seen as a 3.0Si that costs more and goes a bit quicker.
But for plenty it has benefits beyond it's power. Every day driving around, for plenty, it's character will be enough to justify the extra costs before you even start to use the extra performance!
Personally I'd prefer an M for everything BUT it's extra performance, but unfortunately they do cost a significant amount more than an older 3.0i!
I wish BMW would have made the standard Z4's like the M for driver focus, and made the M even more special. Clearly the stock Z4's were made a bit soft to appeal to hair dressers a bit
Dave
The depreciation I've saved over the last year alone, compared to your car, more than covers the additional petrol, insurance and servicing costs for the next 5 years.
So, back to your earlier question about whether it's worth it... the answer is still yes even in objective mathematical terms.
Edited by wrighty78 on Thursday 19th November 15:50
Hedgetrimmer said:
TOENHEEL said:
Well the Nobles up for sale now which im really quite gutted about but in all honesty it just doesnt get the use it deserves, a mixture of crap weather and being unpractical meant it only really got used odd weekends. Quite excited about the prospect of buying an M car..always loved that straight six and i like the fact that in either coupe or roadster form they are pretty rare.
Having had a nose about i've seen a few cars that interest me, roadsters seem as others have pointed out to be considerably cheaper than the coupes even though some roadsters are quite literally fully loaded with toys. I think Imola red/black leather or black/red leather is what i would go for.
I already feel that the Z4m's are a lump of car for the money but do you feel like dealers will budge much on price? Im thinking main dealers the way to go just for a bit piece of mind really.
Hi Phil,pretty shocked you're selling the Noble. Having owned a CSL I would certainly drive a Z4 first just to make sure its what you are after as the steering may be too numb. The Z4 is certainly a decent drive, it just lacks the driver involvment compared to your previous motors.Having had a nose about i've seen a few cars that interest me, roadsters seem as others have pointed out to be considerably cheaper than the coupes even though some roadsters are quite literally fully loaded with toys. I think Imola red/black leather or black/red leather is what i would go for.
I already feel that the Z4m's are a lump of car for the money but do you feel like dealers will budge much on price? Im thinking main dealers the way to go just for a bit piece of mind really.
Will try and knock together a run over Hartside soon so keep your eyes peeled on the otherside!
The Z4MC is shaded by noble in terms of dynamics, but is miles more practical, better built and reliable
Regarding the steering on the CSL, I thought it was numb on the 4 cars I’ve driven, although I’ve never driven any on a track. The Z4MC has better steering in standard trim imo (like all E46 M3 and certainly the new V8 M3, which is even worse)
Going back to using the extra performance of the Z4M and 3.0si. I have no problems what so ever. The 77 BHP difference is a fair chuck of power (261 vs. 338), but I can see your point if you’re bogged down in traffic/town. I don’t drive my car every day, so it’s more of a toy than every day transport and I drive as the M division intended when I take her out.
Just for ref.
3.0 si 0-125mph in 22 seconds
Z4MC 0-125mph in 18.9
3.1 seconds is fair distance at that speed and it's one of the slower 0-125 times I've seen for the Z4MC btw too
Edited by Porscheplayer on Thursday 19th November 16:51
Porscheplayer said:
Just for ref.
3.0 si 0-125mph in 22 seconds
Z4MC 0-125mph in 18.9
3.1 seconds is fair distance at that speed and it's one of the slower 0-125 times I've seen for the Z4MC btw too
Now let's return to the real world (unless you already live on an Autobahn).3.0 si 0-125mph in 22 seconds
Z4MC 0-125mph in 18.9
3.1 seconds is fair distance at that speed and it's one of the slower 0-125 times I've seen for the Z4MC btw too
I think the 0-60 difference is about 0.5 sec!
wrighty78 said:
Well that's great, but I bought my Z4MC in April at 9 months old with 5k miles on the clock for £26k. And 8 months / 9k miles later it still has a trade-in value of about £24.5k.
The depreciation I've saved over the last year alone, compared to your car, more than covers the additional petrol, insurance and servicing costs for the next 5 years.
So, back to your earlier question about whether it's worth it... the answer is still yes even in objective mathematical terms.
Well, you either got the deal of the century, or you have poverty spec and oddball colours.The depreciation I've saved over the last year alone, compared to your car, more than covers the additional petrol, insurance and servicing costs for the next 5 years.
So, back to your earlier question about whether it's worth it... the answer is still yes even in objective mathematical terms.
And you've clearly not looked at warranty costs!
I am fairly convinced that I would not notice the difference in rigidity between the Coupe and the roadster, or the difference in speed in the real world between the 3.0 Coupe and the M Coupe.
But I like the look of the Coupe over the Roadster and it makes me feel more special driving an "M" car.
How's that for honesty?
But I like the look of the Coupe over the Roadster and it makes me feel more special driving an "M" car.
How's that for honesty?
Hello all new to the Z4M side of life but not Pistonheads.
I've got a deal on the table and have not even took it out for a drive yet, have owned an E46 M3 and know owning an M car of any sort is special (also other Z4's just don't do it for me plus they are not M Sports!).
Its a oadster i've got a deal on, not looked at one up close before and as I said have not drove one before, are they as good as I hear?
Not going to ask naff questions like running costs but do they look dated and want spec engine do they have, looking to buy from BMW so will have a warranty, anything else I should look out for?
Its a 56 plate.
Advice as always appreciated!
I've got a deal on the table and have not even took it out for a drive yet, have owned an E46 M3 and know owning an M car of any sort is special (also other Z4's just don't do it for me plus they are not M Sports!).
Its a oadster i've got a deal on, not looked at one up close before and as I said have not drove one before, are they as good as I hear?
Not going to ask naff questions like running costs but do they look dated and want spec engine do they have, looking to buy from BMW so will have a warranty, anything else I should look out for?
Its a 56 plate.
Advice as always appreciated!
Vroomer said:
Porscheplayer said:
Just for ref.
3.0 si 0-125mph in 22 seconds
Z4MC 0-125mph in 18.9
3.1 seconds is fair distance at that speed and it's one of the slower 0-125 times I've seen for the Z4MC btw too
Now let's return to the real world (unless you already live on an Autobahn).3.0 si 0-125mph in 22 seconds
Z4MC 0-125mph in 18.9
3.1 seconds is fair distance at that speed and it's one of the slower 0-125 times I've seen for the Z4MC btw too
I think the 0-60 difference is about 0.5 sec!
Hows that the real world, I don't even know the 0-60 time of the Z4M, that's how much use it is in the real world.
Here's me in the real world, try doing this in a 3.0si
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB3wt6wSp74
Edited by Porscheplayer on Thursday 19th November 22:19
Vroomer said:
Well, you either got the deal of the century, or you have poverty spec and oddball colours.
No to both. That was what they sold for back in Q1 this year. And Imola red with champagne leather, sat nav, heated seats, PDC, etc etc is hardly poverty spec, is it??Vroomer said:
And you've clearly not looked at warranty costs!
You really are trying very hard to justify your bad decision, aren't you? Keep trying.wrighty78 said:
Vroomer said:
Well, you either got the deal of the century, or you have poverty spec and oddball colours.
No to both. That was what they sold for back in Q1 this year. And Imola red with champagne leather, sat nav, heated seats, PDC, etc etc is hardly poverty spec, is it??Vroomer said:
And you've clearly not looked at warranty costs!
You really are trying very hard to justify your bad decision, aren't you? Keep trying.And I am content with my decision. In my previous M car I never felt I used its performance sufficiently to justify the extra costs. As I have repeatedly said, in most situations there is no practical difference. I am not claiming it would be as fast round the 'ring, but I don't take it on track. Neither do I do 160mph on a public road like idiot porscheplayer (in any case both M and Sport have the same official 155 top speed).
Porscheplayer said:
Vroomer said:
Porscheplayer said:
Just for ref.
3.0 si 0-125mph in 22 seconds
Z4MC 0-125mph in 18.9
3.1 seconds is fair distance at that speed and it's one of the slower 0-125 times I've seen for the Z4MC btw too
Now let's return to the real world (unless you already live on an Autobahn).3.0 si 0-125mph in 22 seconds
Z4MC 0-125mph in 18.9
3.1 seconds is fair distance at that speed and it's one of the slower 0-125 times I've seen for the Z4MC btw too
I think the 0-60 difference is about 0.5 sec!
Hows that the real world, I don't even know the 0-60 time of the Z4M, that's how much use it is in the real world.
Here's me in the real world, try doing this in a 3.0si
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB3wt6wSp74
Edited by Porscheplayer on Thursday 19th November 22:19
Well they are not QUITE the same but I had a 130i before my Z4MC, which has the same engine amd same power as the 3.0 Z4C.
The M is s
tloads faster everywhere - low down, midrange, top end, straights, corners, A-roads - you name it.
3.0 is a fine car, but it's like comparing a 996 Carrera with a GT3 or Turbo.
The M is s
tloads faster everywhere - low down, midrange, top end, straights, corners, A-roads - you name it.3.0 is a fine car, but it's like comparing a 996 Carrera with a GT3 or Turbo.
Andy G Bmth said:
having owned both, anyone who thinks they are similar in performance need their heads testing, and thats without going into the better ride, looks, exclusivity etc
each to their own and a 3.0 is still a very nice car but dont try and say it matches a M - you just look silly.......
Can you read, Andy?each to their own and a 3.0 is still a very nice car but dont try and say it matches a M - you just look silly.......
Vroomer said:
wrighty78 said:
Hmmm. Well I'm going to have to agree with PorschePlayer on this one, having owned and driven a 3.0 Z4C for 18 months / 12k miles and now owning a Z4MC for the last 8 months / 9k miles. The benefits of the 3.0 were slightly better fuel economy and slightly lower running costs. The engine, feel, power, braking and all-round experience of the M is (IMHO) noticeably better.
I'm not disputing that. What I am saying is that most of the time, you don't get the opportunity use the extra performance. And when you come to re-new the warranty, or have an Inspection II, will those rare moments when you do use the extra performance be worth it?
certainly not me 
A car is a package, not stats or sections to be broken down to suit certain criteria. Fair play if a 3.0 suits you better but as this is pistonheads i am pretty sure you will be in the minority that prefer a 3.0 to a M.
feel free to post a poll to see what the general opinion is.
A car is a package, not stats or sections to be broken down to suit certain criteria. Fair play if a 3.0 suits you better but as this is pistonheads i am pretty sure you will be in the minority that prefer a 3.0 to a M.
feel free to post a poll to see what the general opinion is.
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