Is there nothing else that can be done?
Discussion
oldsoak said:
Jonleeper said:
B Oeuf said:
Yes, it does sound as if your man is a particularly retarded problem and, with some basic Army brainwashing, full of his own immortality
You think that instilling a bit of discipline and respect is going to be a bad thing here? If he has joined the Army and is still serving then he has to be keeping his nose out of trouble. The rules are very straight forward and we do enforce them, trust me appearing on OC’s or CO’s Orders is not a nice experience even in these politically correct times. You could try contacting his CO (Commanding Officer (Lieutenant Colonel in charge of the Battalion or Regiment)), or even better his OC (Officer Commanding (Major in charge of the Company or Squadron), and details can be found through the police or your local RMP (Royal Military Police) detachment. The OC will be closer to the individual and should know him personally. I have just moved from being an OC and on three occasions I had a local RMP come and speak to me about something one of my soldiers was doing or they thought might be about to do. It is taken seriously, on one occasion the soldier concerned was called back from leave to explain, and then monitored so that we can exercise our duty of care to all concerned. If the bloke does step out of line then he will be charged and, in most circumstances of lower level crime the police leave it up to the military system, spend time in the Military Corrective Facility in Colchester. Most people who go there do not want to go back and so become “good boys”. It has a lower re-offending rate than any other facility in the UK and better than nearly anything else in the world.
Jonleeper said:
B Oeuf said:
Yes, it does sound as if your man is a particularly retarded problem and, with some basic Army brainwashing, full of his own immortality
You think that instilling a bit of discipline and respect is going to be a bad thing here? If he has joined the Army and is still serving then he has to be keeping his nose out of trouble. The rules are very straight forward and we do enforce them, trust me appearing on OC’s or CO’s Orders is not a nice experience even in these politically correct times. You could try contacting his CO (Commanding Officer (Lieutenant Colonel in charge of the Battalion or Regiment)), or even better his OC (Officer Commanding (Major in charge of the Company or Squadron), and details can be found through the police or your local RMP (Royal Military Police) detachment. The OC will be closer to the individual and should know him personally. I have just moved from being an OC and on three occasions I had a local RMP come and speak to me about something one of my soldiers was doing or they thought might be about to do. It is taken seriously, on one occasion the soldier concerned was called back from leave to explain, and then monitored so that we can exercise our duty of care to all concerned. If the bloke does step out of line then he will be charged and, in most circumstances of lower level crime the police leave it up to the military system, spend time in the Military Corrective Facility in Colchester. Most people who go there do not want to go back and so become “good boys”. It has a lower re-offending rate than any other facility in the UK and better than nearly anything else in the world.
Which is why my first post advised the OP to contact this guys OC. I think you misunderstood my point Jon, I have every respect for the Military, my father was ex HAC and I ex RAF, what I meant by 'his own sense of immortality' was describing the effect of basic training on some people, particularly the Army and particularly muscleheads like this chap. The discipline instilled works perfectly well in context, ie within the Army but once outside, and I've seen it firsthand, not so well.
B Oeuf said:
Jonleeper said:
B Oeuf said:
Yes, it does sound as if your man is a particularly retarded problem and, with some basic Army brainwashing, full of his own immortality
You think that instilling a bit of discipline and respect is going to be a bad thing here? If he has joined the Army and is still serving then he has to be keeping his nose out of trouble. The rules are very straight forward and we do enforce them, trust me appearing on OC’s or CO’s Orders is not a nice experience even in these politically correct times. You could try contacting his CO (Commanding Officer (Lieutenant Colonel in charge of the Battalion or Regiment)), or even better his OC (Officer Commanding (Major in charge of the Company or Squadron), and details can be found through the police or your local RMP (Royal Military Police) detachment. The OC will be closer to the individual and should know him personally. I have just moved from being an OC and on three occasions I had a local RMP come and speak to me about something one of my soldiers was doing or they thought might be about to do. It is taken seriously, on one occasion the soldier concerned was called back from leave to explain, and then monitored so that we can exercise our duty of care to all concerned. If the bloke does step out of line then he will be charged and, in most circumstances of lower level crime the police leave it up to the military system, spend time in the Military Corrective Facility in Colchester. Most people who go there do not want to go back and so become “good boys”. It has a lower re-offending rate than any other facility in the UK and better than nearly anything else in the world.
Which is why my first post advised the OP to contact this guys OC. I think you misunderstood my point Jon, I have every respect for the Military, my father was ex HAC and I ex RAF, what I meant by 'his own sense of immortality' was describing the effect of basic training on some people, particularly the Army and particularly muscleheads like this chap. The discipline instilled works perfectly well in context, ie within the Army but once outside, and I've seen it firsthand, not so well.
But that is off topic, OP contact the RMP and let the system know that he is still contacting your OH and she wants him to stop. They will take action, they will listen to his side as well, and those of us chosen to have the privilege of Command at any level are fully aware of our soldiers and what they are really like.
I'm appreciating everyones POV's on this & taking all of them in.
Another update.
Apparently the DMO is a police one not the council.
She's noted everything with the police & the police will be patrolling around her road when they do their patrols of that area & will ddouble check her house etc.
The DMO had'nt been taking too seriously as apparently she thought that it was him emailing my gf's friend or something.
(Thats a bit of a grey area as she just told me about it in a rushed call.)
However the DMO thinks that he's just trying to control & scare her through the internet & "probably" won't actually do anything, it's just giving him satisfaction scaring her.
All he's said in emails is that he still lvoes her, thinks shes beautiful & notices things about her pictures and commented on them, nothing sinister but it's upset her a bit, this could be him being genuinly nice(which i very much doubt) or that he's trying to scare her (which i think he probably is).
Police won't do anything though as it's not in any way threatening.
BUT.
He did mention something that he's been taught in the army about the 3 P's?
Whatever that might be?!
Which has worried her & the DMO a bit.
She's also been told she can be re-located anywhere in the UK, will be put in a refuger etc until they sort her a place to live out.
She's going to have a think about this as since he's left she's only just got her life back on track from him, she now has all her family and a good group of friends round her & her kids are settled @ school & doing really well with friends, so she understandably does'nt want to leave all that behind if it can be avoided!
She's going to see the weekend out as he's only around till sometime tomorrow day & decide @ the end of it on the next course of action.
Another update.
Apparently the DMO is a police one not the council.
She's noted everything with the police & the police will be patrolling around her road when they do their patrols of that area & will ddouble check her house etc.
The DMO had'nt been taking too seriously as apparently she thought that it was him emailing my gf's friend or something.
(Thats a bit of a grey area as she just told me about it in a rushed call.)
However the DMO thinks that he's just trying to control & scare her through the internet & "probably" won't actually do anything, it's just giving him satisfaction scaring her.
All he's said in emails is that he still lvoes her, thinks shes beautiful & notices things about her pictures and commented on them, nothing sinister but it's upset her a bit, this could be him being genuinly nice(which i very much doubt) or that he's trying to scare her (which i think he probably is).
Police won't do anything though as it's not in any way threatening.
BUT.
He did mention something that he's been taught in the army about the 3 P's?
Whatever that might be?!
Which has worried her & the DMO a bit.
She's also been told she can be re-located anywhere in the UK, will be put in a refuger etc until they sort her a place to live out.
She's going to have a think about this as since he's left she's only just got her life back on track from him, she now has all her family and a good group of friends round her & her kids are settled @ school & doing really well with friends, so she understandably does'nt want to leave all that behind if it can be avoided!
She's going to see the weekend out as he's only around till sometime tomorrow day & decide @ the end of it on the next course of action.
Please dont take this the wrong way lawrence but are you sure shes not entertaining him and his notions? Some women(and men)love the bad boy image? See my earlier story-my ex ended up cheating on me with that fella a few months after that incident and I found out later that the reason he was such a pain is she was texting/seeing him at partys etc, all on the QT. I dont mean to be disrespectful but you never know?
Nigel Worc's said:
I'm amazed he's still in the Army.
Behave like that in the RAF (in my day), glasshouse and out, we didn't want them either !
But since he joined the Army he has not done anything illegal or even vaguely untoward. He has written a few love notes to his ex, yes she is not taking them that way but even the OP acknowledges that taken without any knowledge of the history they would not be seen as threatening or nasty. Now if he crosses the line whilst a serving member of the Army he will see the inside of Colchester, unless the police decide to take action themselves, so nothing has changed. The idea that we let people get away with this sort of thing nowadays whereas before they would have been dealt with is just wrong. Discipline is still as strong as it ever was, indeed with the current operational realities that normal people, who society has often written off, perform as they do after a bit of Army training is testament that OUR system works and it is the civilian equivalent that fails to get the best out of our young. I had to say farewell to one of my best Staff Sergeants as he left after serving his 22 years and he admitted that he never wanted to join but the magistrate said “young man either you join the Army or I’m sending you to jail.” He had a full and productive career and is returning so civilian life a much better person. I also had the privilege of sitting at the National NVQ Awards where two of my soldiers were recognised for their learning. Both of them failed totally at school but found that the discipline they had been taught coupled with the opportunities given had resulted in them both excelling where they had never thought it possible. Seeing the pride in their parent’s faces was telling, it is the same at Pass Off parades and other “outdated rituals” which “demonstrate the imperialistic overtones of the modern military”.Behave like that in the RAF (in my day), glasshouse and out, we didn't want them either !
Sorry don’t mean to rant but any suggestion that the Army of today is somehow weaker or less effective than it has been gets my goat.
lawrence567 said:
Out of curiosity, i'm presuming Colchester is a militatry prison?
What makes it so bad?
Yes Colchester is the location of the Military Corrective Training Centre (MCTC). It is not a bad place it is just run on military values. The detainee’s sleep in dormitories and are responsible for cleaning and preparing their rooms of inspections, which happen at least once a day. There are consequences for failing inspections, normally additional physical training or other restrictions of privileges. They undergo a strict regime of training and physical exercise all based around the common military syllabus, drill, basic infantry skills, values and standards, etc, and are basically ragged around seven days a week for every week they are there. They don’t get many privileges, such as access to television or internet, and are subject to the full military sanctions for a Soldier Under Sentence (SUS). This includes only being allowed to smoke two (IIRC) cigarettes a day, (and then only at specific times) having to march everywhere, etc. What makes it so bad?
It is a very successful regime and soldiers normally come out better trained, fitter and completely motivated to get back on track and have a successful career. Most of them promote soon after as they are some of the best soldiers in the unit. It is just that this attitude is not compatible with modern thinking as it is seen as archaic and out of touch with real life!
Jonleeper said:
Nigel Worc's said:
I'm amazed he's still in the Army.
Behave like that in the RAF (in my day), glasshouse and out, we didn't want them either !
But since he joined the Army he has not done anything illegal or even vaguely untoward. He has written a few love notes to his ex, yes she is not taking them that way but even the OP acknowledges that taken without any knowledge of the history they would not be seen as threatening or nasty. Now if he crosses the line whilst a serving member of the Army he will see the inside of Colchester, unless the police decide to take action themselves, so nothing has changed. The idea that we let people get away with this sort of thing nowadays whereas before they would have been dealt with is just wrong. Discipline is still as strong as it ever was, indeed with the current operational realities that normal people, who society has often written off, perform as they do after a bit of Army training is testament that OUR system works and it is the civilian equivalent that fails to get the best out of our young. I had to say farewell to one of my best Staff Sergeants as he left after serving his 22 years and he admitted that he never wanted to join but the magistrate said “young man either you join the Army or I’m sending you to jail.” He had a full and productive career and is returning so civilian life a much better person. I also had the privilege of sitting at the National NVQ Awards where two of my soldiers were recognised for their learning. Both of them failed totally at school but found that the discipline they had been taught coupled with the opportunities given had resulted in them both excelling where they had never thought it possible. Seeing the pride in their parent’s faces was telling, it is the same at Pass Off parades and other “outdated rituals” which “demonstrate the imperialistic overtones of the modern military”.Behave like that in the RAF (in my day), glasshouse and out, we didn't want them either !
Sorry don’t mean to rant but any suggestion that the Army of today is somehow weaker or less effective than it has been gets my goat.
These "intakes" must be some specially arranged thing, as the joining criteria for me was to be of very good character, with a scale of how long your joining would be delayed (if still allowed) should you be a naughty boy.
I know about Colchester (it takes people from all three services, and is staffed by people from all three services), and my own home base, RAF Wyton, had a "detention center" for errant personnel on it.
I wish these scum bag civvys who offend and offend and offend could be given "the treatment".
I don't think discipline is any less these days, the forces desire to band together and protect each other from civvy law enforcement seems less.
The discipline in the RAF in my day (and I doubt its changed much) was very low key, even the joint Fleet air arm squadrons navy personnel used to say how lax we were.
I think the RAF were more prone to removing people who failed to meet standards than the Army or Navy, but thats only my opinion.
As young men we we're very afraid of these facilities
Not a specially arranged thing at all, you do not need many qualifications to be accepted as an RLC Dvr, Infantry Pte, etc. You do need to be very intelligent and well educated to be an RLC Ammunition Technician, Intelligence Corps analyst, etc. I suggest that it is the same for all the Services, even if someone then gets some qualifications and transfers internally you will normally find that they joined as one of these type of trades. This is one of the things that, I feel, is lacking from modern society. In the Services we rely on everyone no matter what they do, however lowly. For example I cannot operate on a suspect device without the protection offered by the infantry cordon surrounding me. I need them to allow me to do my job and I respect them for it. In society no-one seems to value “tradesmen” and everyone seems to think that they must have a degree in underwater basket weaving in order to get a job. What was wrong with the old system of University, Polytechnic, apprentices, etc. If you had a brain the size of a small planet you went to university and got pure education. You were then qualified to come up with a bright idea. If you were just normally bright but had some hands on ability you went to Polytechnic and became qualified to take the bright idea and turn it into something that could be actually produced. If you were more hands on then you undertook an apprenticeship and learnt how to actually make the thing. Now everyone has a degree and actually touching a dirty tool is beneath them!
PS I didn’t mean to leave out the two “Blue” Services but Colchester was originally ours and we send the most people there so I still think of it as ours!
PS I didn’t mean to leave out the two “Blue” Services but Colchester was originally ours and we send the most people there so I still think of it as ours!
Gargamel said:
Hopefully the Army will have been a civilising and discplining effect on him.
Unlikely, IME; Those that I have seen join the military seem to gain this assumption that they are 'untouchable' (as they have the 'backup' of all of their Army mates) and act accordingly. Nasty situation OP, and good on you for being realistic about being able to 'deal with it yourself', as many would have (presumably mistakenly) done. Threatening to 'gut the kids' tells me all I need to know that this bloke has serious issues, and should not underestimated.
Jonleeper said:
PS I didn’t mean to leave out the two “Blue” Services but Colchester was originally ours and we send the most people there so I still think of it as ours!
We actually thought of it as "yours" too (even though we knew different), this made it even more scary, as we'd be with roughie toughie types dressed as trees 
I agree with your sentiments on the different grades/trades, I believe its a tad different now, but we had squadrons, and on those squadrons we'd have all trades (well not all, but you know what I mean), all grades, all ranks, and it was like a little society, squadron first and all that. This mentality was what led the navy lads to believe we were very lax on discipline, where in fact it was what led to "that kind of discipline" not being needed.
Hi OP, im a military policeman and may be able to help. where is this guy based, is he in the UK or overseas, and do you know what regiment he belongs to?
I passed my RP (regimental Police) course at Colchester (MCTC) and its like a holiday for the record. Most guys in there come out full qualified fork lift drivers and loads of other courses are available. Its just like basic training.
I passed my RP (regimental Police) course at Colchester (MCTC) and its like a holiday for the record. Most guys in there come out full qualified fork lift drivers and loads of other courses are available. Its just like basic training.
They do get tv's, pool tables, and even get let out at weekends with curfue's of course. its not as bad as people make out.
It is a very successful regime and soldiers normally come out better trained, fitter and completely motivated to get back on track and have a successful career. Most of them promote soon after as they are some of the best soldiers in the unit. It is just that this attitude is not compatible with modern thinking as it is seen as archaic and out of touch with real life!
Jonleeper said:
lawrence567 said:
Out of curiosity, i'm presuming Colchester is a militatry prison?
What makes it so bad?
Yes Colchester is the location of the Military Corrective Training Centre (MCTC). It is not a bad place it is just run on military values. The detainee’s sleep in dormitories and are responsible for cleaning and preparing their rooms of inspections, which happen at least once a day. There are consequences for failing inspections, normally additional physical training or other restrictions of privileges. They undergo a strict regime of training and physical exercise all based around the common military syllabus, drill, basic infantry skills, values and standards, etc, and are basically ragged around seven days a week for every week they are there. They don’t get many privileges, such as access to television or internet, and are subject to the full military sanctions for a Soldier Under Sentence (SUS). This includes only being allowed to smoke two (IIRC) cigarettes a day, (and then only at specific times) having to march everywhere, etc. What makes it so bad?
It is a very successful regime and soldiers normally come out better trained, fitter and completely motivated to get back on track and have a successful career. Most of them promote soon after as they are some of the best soldiers in the unit. It is just that this attitude is not compatible with modern thinking as it is seen as archaic and out of touch with real life!
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