5 Speed clutch needed
Discussion
Gadgeroonie said:
does anyone know what the american clutch used is ?
it would appear it is rated higher than ours
Stock is an AP Racing clutch. For the Turbohoses-built (Hooverized!) cars, we usually use a version of the same clutch, modified to our specs. For the really high horsepower cars, and the track-only cars, we've developed this clutch:it would appear it is rated higher than ours
http://www.nobleforums.com/showthread.php?t=6460
daddysumo said:
peterguk M500 said:
I don't think there is any doubt it's a Ford part originally. It gets modified by AP.
I wonder what the modification is ?The original Noble fitted part looked identical to the Ford supplied part !
TuxMan said:
Hi Jim is the mod for the 5 speed box or six ?? we need the thrust bearing for the 5 speed box did not think you guys had the 5 speed .
The throwout bearing mod that I referred was on the bearings for the six-speed. I did install one 5-speed into a customer's car, but I don't know if it's the same set up as in the UK cars. The 5-speed was the same basic box (MTX-75), but the clutch was from a 6-speed car. The throwout bearing itself was a part sourced directly from Ford, which had to be modified to work properly with the wider spring circle of the AP clutch.Edited by Jim O. on Saturday 21st November 11:13
Ok Jim , so we still don,t know if the std 5 speed part is std ford or modifyed by A P .
Had a good meeting with Stuart a Mardi Gras motorsport , the clutch will be sent to Helix for assesment and hopefully they can re-engineer it give up to 20% better torque handling abilitys ,it will all be new all thats used of the std item is the alloy pressure plate housing . price to be confirmed next week but it should be cheaper than a new replacement A P from Noble .
Helix are also going to lighten and balance my flywheel as well !!! all in all good mornings work !!!
Had a good meeting with Stuart a Mardi Gras motorsport , the clutch will be sent to Helix for assesment and hopefully they can re-engineer it give up to 20% better torque handling abilitys ,it will all be new all thats used of the std item is the alloy pressure plate housing . price to be confirmed next week but it should be cheaper than a new replacement A P from Noble .
Helix are also going to lighten and balance my flywheel as well !!! all in all good mornings work !!!
peterguk M500 said:
daddysumo said:
peterguk M500 said:
Gadgeroonie said:
hi steve
are you sure its an off the shelf part, i was led to believe it was not stock ?
are you sure its an off the shelf part, i was led to believe it was not stock ?
Prices from the factory:
5 speed - £145.00
6 speed - £199.00
I know the 6 speed is a modified AP Racing part, don't know about the 5 speed.
Same parts for UK and USA cars, i've recently sent a couple to Hoover.
Pete
The clutch release bearing assy is an AP part ? Are you sure ?
Steve
I unpacked them and re-packed to send to Hoover. In AP yellow and blue boxes..
Peter
Could you post up a pic of the AP bearing assy's please ?
daddysumo said:
peterguk M500 said:
daddysumo said:
peterguk M500 said:
Gadgeroonie said:
hi steve
are you sure its an off the shelf part, i was led to believe it was not stock ?
Prices from the factory:are you sure its an off the shelf part, i was led to believe it was not stock ?
5 speed - £145.00
6 speed - £199.00
I know the 6 speed is a modified AP Racing part, don't know about the 5 speed.
Same parts for UK and USA cars, i've recently sent a couple to Hoover.
The clutch release bearing assy is an AP part ? Are you sure ?
Steve
Could you post up a pic of the AP bearing assy's please ?
When i got prices for Hoover from the factory they told me both 5 speed and 6 speed release bearings were modified by AP. But then i've been told lots of things by the factory...
Details back from Stuart at Mardi Gras motorsport ref the clutch
std clamping load 980kg
helix clamping load 1260kg
improvement of 28% over std unit , clutch is all new apart from the alloy pressure plate which needs to be in good order to re-use cost is about £350 +vat for all the work , there are some torque limitations with the std plate but there are lots of options to upgrade . all in all a good upgrade over the std unit for less cost than a new one .
std clamping load 980kg
helix clamping load 1260kg
improvement of 28% over std unit , clutch is all new apart from the alloy pressure plate which needs to be in good order to re-use cost is about £350 +vat for all the work , there are some torque limitations with the std plate but there are lots of options to upgrade . all in all a good upgrade over the std unit for less cost than a new one .
ap can build you one wihh a stronger clamping load
or you could modify it yourself if you know an engineering shop
however - the pedal will start to get heavy
an alternative could be a paddle centre and uprated pressure plate
i'm pretty sure the paddle centre from a Focus RS is compatible when i looked at one
or you could modify it yourself if you know an engineering shop
however - the pedal will start to get heavy
an alternative could be a paddle centre and uprated pressure plate
i'm pretty sure the paddle centre from a Focus RS is compatible when i looked at one
When i phoned AP they were only interested in selling me one through a Noble main dealer , never offered me the option of a rebuild or upgrade .
Helix assure me the pedle will be no harder ......something to do with re-engineering the pivot point , you can also improve performance by a solid clutch plate or a paddle clutch ,something i don,t need as i,m not heading for over 420lbft of torque .
Helix assure me the pedle will be no harder ......something to do with re-engineering the pivot point , you can also improve performance by a solid clutch plate or a paddle clutch ,something i don,t need as i,m not heading for over 420lbft of torque .
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