Climate Cat out of the Bag? Potentially dynamite revelations

[gamefreaks]

FunkyGibbon said:

gamefreaks said:

For those of you who want to have a nosey over the emails, they can be found here in PST (MS Outlook) format.

http://www.mininova.org/tor/3169798

Hmm, makes it easier to trawl through.

If (and it still remains a big IF) this is all genuine then there's some quiet damning stuff in there IMHO...

Now, one could argue that these conversions are private and may be without context, however, the research is publicly funded. Anyone with an ounce of sense should know that public funded work can be subject to public scrutiny via FOI and that includes email correspondence. So I'm amazed at the tone of these emails about colleagues and other scientists - simply not professional conduct at all.

But as others have said, I can't see anyone winning out of this.

Hmm...that one seems to have been taken down!

Looks like it has been re-uploaded here though.

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5172267

[Dan_1981]

If you just want to access the emails you can search them all here.

http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/

[Jasandjules]

odyssey2200 said:

The BBC seems to be making more of the fact that a hacker got in to he system that of what he found?

No surprise there then

No, and my complaint has been sent.

As for the Nobel Prize, I wonder if Mr "I make millions with carbon trading so please do more as my private jet is expensive to run" Gore will have to hand his back....

[B Oeuf]

Jasandjules said:

odyssey2200 said:

The BBC seems to be making more of the fact that a hacker got in to he system that of what he found?

No surprise there then

No, and my complaint has been sent.

As for the Nobel Prize, I wonder if Mr "I make millions with carbon trading so please do more as my private jet is expensive to run" Gore will have to hand his back....

just remind the fkers of their charter

[gamefreaks]

Guam said:

This to me is looking more and more like a leak rather than a hack per se, the timing right before Copenhagen is just too cute to me, not to mention there is apparrently more, as I intimated earlier, its almost like someone is just whetting the appetite with this before releasing the rest!


All speculation of course but I am veering more to mole with an assist, rather than a straight forward hacking, no evidence yet of anyone claiming the props on this as a hack which is surprising!

However maybe they just havent put it up yet?


Cheers

Almost certainly.

This stuff has been cherry-picked. There is none of the usual "Going for a beer tonight?" or "Viagra 99% off" type stuff that most mailboxes are full of.

Also, notice this is not one persons mailbox, it is a group of people.

[Dan_1981]

I'm surprised the Spectator arn't running with anything yet....


From: "Davies Trevor Prof (ENV)" To: "Ogden Annie Ms (MAC)" , "Briffa Keith Prof (ENV)" , "Jones Philip Prof (ENV)" Subject: RE: Climate Research Centre crisis spreads Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:33:16 +0100 Cc: "Summers Brian Mr (REG)" , "Preece Alan Mr (MAC)"

WE should make a statement along these lines. We should also stress that McIntyres analysis has not been peer-reviewed (& we need to explain what this means - for the man-in-the street).

Given the fact that this campaign is clearly not going to die down & we now have a silly attempt to escalate it locally (dragging Norfolk's reputation thro the mud), I have revised my view & feel we do need to pursue the spectator more vigorously. To me, it seems straightforward - Keith has been accused of fraud on an official Spectator website - that is (wharever the legal word is).

Trevor


from here:

http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/emails.php?eid=1...

ETA: This was only sent last week.

Edited by Dan_1981 on Friday 20th November 21:22

[odyssey2200]

The spin has started.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8371597.stm

Edited by odyssey2200 on Friday 20th November 21:30

[HRG]

odyssey2200 said:

The spin has started.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8371597.stm

Edited by odyssey2200 on Friday 20th November 21:30

Harrabin is a biased true believer!

[grumbledoak]

odyssey2200 said:

The spin has started.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8371597.stm

Ooh, comments allowed! Not.

[Jonny_]

odyssey2200 said:

The spin has started.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8371597.stm

The BBC: Impartial and honest as always.

Edited by Jonny_ on Friday 20th November 21:38

[Jasandjules]

odyssey2200 said:

The spin has started.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8371597.stm

Edited by odyssey2200 on Friday 20th November 21:30

No great shock there, the BBC is hardly impartial on this subject.

[Tangent Police]

odyssey2200 said:

The spin has started.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8371597.stm

Edited by odyssey2200 on Friday 20th November 21:30

Well, let the data do the talking (assuming the CRU haven't lost it).

After all, if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear.

We'll see if anything else comes out. The BBC/UK will spin it left right and centre and we'll all buy it. Sadly, armed with the same data, other peoples may not follow suit.

[Jonny_]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Because those evil, nasty, rotten, low-down, child-mudering, fluffy-puppy-raping uber Nazi genocidal murderers they call "climate sceptics" might just disagree with the Corporation's views, and (ssssh!) they might just be right?

[Jasandjules]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Another rhetorical question...........

[chris watton]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

...More like an Ad Hom - but it's a straw man if you ask me....

[odyssey2200]

Jonny_ said:

odyssey2200 said:

The spin has started.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8371597.stm

The BBC: Impartial and honest as always.

Complaint sent to the Beeb

[turbobloke]

Tangent Police said:

I'm beginning to think that this one will be difficult to sweep under the carpet.

It will. There are people who will not let this go, those attacked in the e-mails for one, two, three, four...

Tangent Police said:

I'm interested in the rest of the information. I wonder what else will be released.

Who knows but of this is the starter then the main course should be appetising.

What amuses me after a long but pleasant day - more later - is reading our True Believers spinning for Gaia but sounding like Mr Speaker 'Gorbals Mick' Martin trying to (on the one hand) attack the leaker and call for their decapitation while (on the other hand) opining about no rules being broken and interpretation blah blah. Dream on fellas.

Anyway, as to the day, I make no apology for some blatant familial elitism as after a full English followed by a tapas lunch but before a superb Thai evening meal, TB Jr (III) received his Uni prize today which for some reason his institution separated from the graduation ceremony - he only achieved the highest First in his faculty of three subject areas and by a wide margin, well done that man from a very proud father.

[turbobloke]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

He's OK

At least he was OK when we left him 'in the hands' of some rather tasty graduettes but I hope imagine he's not as OK by now. All good.

[sidewayz]

QUOTE

The timescale argument is quite convincing. It is a pity that there is only Pinatubo
that you can test it on. El Chichon ought to work but it is confused by ENSO. Does the
amplification work well for the 1997/98 El Nino?
Did you pick up that Thompson et al paper due out in J. Climate soon? Factoring out
ENSO and volcanoes might help in isolating this.
[2]http://www.atmos.colostate.edu/faculty/thompson.php
where there is a link to the paper and also the data
[3]http://www.atmos.colostate.edu/~davet/ThompsonWallaceJonesKennedy/
It seems as though you can get all the extraction parts. No need for the dynamic bit.
Anyway my thought is as Pinatubo gives the amplification then ENSO ought to as well.
A thought might be to take Dave Thompson's ENSO and volcanic subtraction series, then
scale them by thermodynamic theory value then subtract these from RSS and UAH. Small
issue of base periods to sort out
and assume there is no lag.

/QUOTE

...and then take away the number you first thought of?

Incredible

[turbobloke]

I've been using the term 'junkscience' for some time and maybe now even the doubters will realise why.