Exploding Wind Turbines!
Discussion
Farm boy said:
DrTre said:
Pic 1 : Boring hills.
Pic 2 : Boring hills with turbines on them.
Shall I show you the 'before' then...Pic 2 : Boring hills with turbines on them.
That is the drive down from my farm. The 125m turbines are planned for the left hand side of the pic.
You can't see the Red Kite nest just out of pic.
All this will be gone. For the sake of what ?
The jpeg shows an impression of the monstrosities planned near us - in the face of very vocal but seemingly futile public protests. Four 200' monsters plonked on the hills in an area that is stunningly pretty. The angle of the picture doesn't do justice to the variety and softness of the surrounding countryside which is a mix of low lying, undulating hills, pastures and woodland with moors rising behind towards Brassington.
Given the info posted earlier, just how valid are the developer's claims that they'll fuel 5500 homes? With just four?
Oh, and I'm sure Carsington Wind Energy Ltd. were motivated only by their noted fear of global warming! Nothing to do with money obviously.
Re Carsington Wind Energy Ltd. the two screen grabs from here
http://companycheck.co.uk/company/05240925
are interesting.
http://companycheck.co.uk/company/05240925
are interesting.
That is indeed very interesting, Lost BMW. Thanks for the link
I ran the company that are pushing our wind farm through that site and got very similar results.
http://companycheck.co.uk/company/05360262
No cash, High liabilities, low assets.
That is not a balance sheet that balances, so how are they still a going concern ?
It's got to be the 'gifts' from our electric bills courtesy of the govenment !
I shall be looking further into this.
I ran the company that are pushing our wind farm through that site and got very similar results.
http://companycheck.co.uk/company/05360262
No cash, High liabilities, low assets.
That is not a balance sheet that balances, so how are they still a going concern ?
It's got to be the 'gifts' from our electric bills courtesy of the govenment !
I shall be looking further into this.
Farm boy said:
That is indeed very interesting, Lost BMW. Thanks for the link
I ran the company that are pushing our wind farm through that site and got very similar results.
http://companycheck.co.uk/company/05360262
No cash, High liabilities, low assets.
That is not a balance sheet that balances, so how are they still a going concern ?
It's got to be the 'gifts' from our electric bills courtesy of the govenment !
I shall be looking further into this.
That's what I noticed. Does it look like a company with the assets to see something like this through to completion? Interesting that Gillet of the Donington F1 fiasco is now apparently involved in 'green' projects down south? Hopefully not and it won't happen. Or is it indicative of subsidy grubbers?I ran the company that are pushing our wind farm through that site and got very similar results.
http://companycheck.co.uk/company/05360262
No cash, High liabilities, low assets.
That is not a balance sheet that balances, so how are they still a going concern ?
It's got to be the 'gifts' from our electric bills courtesy of the govenment !
I shall be looking further into this.
If the latter, do they take some up front money and run, will they be able to raise the capital - at a time like this - once green-lighted (pardon the pun) or will it be our govt. as quietly as possible stumping up the cash, from our taxes?
It was notable that local authorities rejected the proposals only to have it sanctioned by Whitehall. Collusion, anyone?
Oh I am absolutely convinced of it being government collusion / stitch up.
The land around here has remained agricultural since, forever.
If you apply to build a house it is never granted planning permission.
One day planning is requested for a test mast - turned down.
An appeal is lodged and all of a sudden permission granted.
Never happened like that since I've lived here (about 6 years)
I despair at people who just cannot see what we are doing to this country.
Thank god I won't be around to see the mess we've made of the place in 50 years.
The land around here has remained agricultural since, forever.
If you apply to build a house it is never granted planning permission.
One day planning is requested for a test mast - turned down.
An appeal is lodged and all of a sudden permission granted.
Never happened like that since I've lived here (about 6 years)
I despair at people who just cannot see what we are doing to this country.
Thank god I won't be around to see the mess we've made of the place in 50 years.
Just been doing some more digging on their website and the venal courting of landowners.
http://www.westcoastenergy.co.uk/landowners/landow...
Well, I'm on an open west facing hill, highest land for c. 6 miles and renowned for the wind we cop. So, I'm going to put in for one of the free feasibility studies - should mess them around, waste some time and hopefully cost them some money.
The financial details reported don't tally with the website; wonder what's hiden in all this? In fact I'll ask if they do tinfoil hats too.
ETA - If these things are so benign I wonder why they have to list all these caveats too?
These are just a few factors that can help in assessing a site:
http://www.westcoastenergy.co.uk/landowners/landow...
Well, I'm on an open west facing hill, highest land for c. 6 miles and renowned for the wind we cop. So, I'm going to put in for one of the free feasibility studies - should mess them around, waste some time and hopefully cost them some money.
The financial details reported don't tally with the website; wonder what's hiden in all this? In fact I'll ask if they do tinfoil hats too.
ETA - If these things are so benign I wonder why they have to list all these caveats too?
These are just a few factors that can help in assessing a site:
- Turbines need to be at least away from national or ecological designations, areas such as National Parks, Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty, Sites of Special Scientific Interest or Nature Reserves.
- No significant archaeological sites being present on the land or located nearby.
- No protected mammals or bird species being present on site. (wtf - Carsington is nationally known for the variety of bird life - some rare - that it attracts and supports, including Long Eared Owls)
- The land being situated in a preferred area for wind development identified by the local authority helps. (ignored in our case!)
- Potential for some support for a wind farm from the local community. (and again, ignored in our case!)
Edited by Lost_BMW on Sunday 11th December 00:22
It's all just words though isn't it.
At the 'public viewing' of the proposals I pointed out that one of their windmills was built right on top of a 'tumulie' or stone age mound.
Him : We have the best archeologists in the county working with us
Me : But your going to put a bloody windmill right on top of it
Him : The archeologists are the best in the county
Me : They're on your payroll aren't they ?
Him : ...
And I mentioned a Red Kite pair that are nesting on our farm.
Only 7 pairs in Hampshire apparantly.
Not even a blink of recognition of what they are proposing.
I need some more medicine now.
At the 'public viewing' of the proposals I pointed out that one of their windmills was built right on top of a 'tumulie' or stone age mound.
Him : We have the best archeologists in the county working with us
Me : But your going to put a bloody windmill right on top of it
Him : The archeologists are the best in the county
Me : They're on your payroll aren't they ?
Him : ...
And I mentioned a Red Kite pair that are nesting on our farm.
Only 7 pairs in Hampshire apparantly.
Not even a blink of recognition of what they are proposing.
I need some more medicine now.
Edited by Farm boy on Sunday 11th December 00:55
Farm boy said:
It's all just words though isn't it.
At the 'public viewing' of the proposals I pointed out that one of their windmills was built right on top of a 'tumulie' or stone age mound.
Him : We have the best archeologists in the county working with us
Me : But your going to put a bloody windmill right on top of it
Him : The archeologists are the best in the county
Me : They're on your payroll aren't they ?
Him : ...
And I mentioned a Red Kite pair that are nesting on our farm.
Only 7 pairs in Hampshire apparantly.
Not even a blink of recognition of what they are proposing.
I need some more medicine now.
It really is absolutely disgusting isn't it. Money grubbers able to ignore the wishes of the vast majority of locals and local authorities with the connivance of govt. departments (with that fat headed maniac Prescott having done so much to sow the seeds for this, another reason to hate the buffoon). For what real benefit for most?At the 'public viewing' of the proposals I pointed out that one of their windmills was built right on top of a 'tumulie' or stone age mound.
Him : We have the best archeologists in the county working with us
Me : But your going to put a bloody windmill right on top of it
Him : The archeologists are the best in the county
Me : They're on your payroll aren't they ?
Him : ...
And I mentioned a Red Kite pair that are nesting on our farm.
Only 7 pairs in Hampshire apparantly.
Not even a blink of recognition of what they are proposing.
I need some more medicine now.
Edited by Farm boy on Sunday 11th December 00:55
I looked at the page you linked and know the area well, often visit St. Mary Bourne, Highclere etc and know someone in Overton not far away - again beautiful rolling countryside, very like it is around here which is why it always feels so good to be there, and quite south-mid Wales like too. To be blighted. It makes me so sad.
Edited by Lost_BMW on Sunday 11th December 12:37
I don't really understand all the "wind turbines are destroying everything" argument. Yes, they change the way the environment looks, but if in 25years they turn out to be rubbish (which there is a good chance they will!) then we can just take them down again. It's not like they are going to leave a huge scar on the landscape that will take 100's of years to heal! When i was a lad, they built a new coal fired power station about 4miles from where we lived, and the whole village started a "NIMBY" group to stop it being built as it would be an eyesore. But it was built anyway. Fast forward 30years and recently the very same village has actually started a "save out cooling towers" group after hearing the news that they might be pulled down as a more efficient energy recovery system is being touted for the site. So i surmise, what people hate is "change". A hill with wind turbines is only worse that one without turbines if you are used to the one without. As humans we have the strange idea that the world is static and unchanging, and that new and different things are automatically bad.
The simple fact of the matter is that "alternate" energy generation simple does not have the required energy density to be cost effective, both in terms of kWhrs/£ and CO2/kWhr. However, i am not against them building things like the wind farms, afterall, it's keeping people in jobs and keeps the EthincPeaceBicyclists quiet for a while, while the real future of sustainable energy production (projects like ITER) carries on unhindered ;-)
The simple fact of the matter is that "alternate" energy generation simple does not have the required energy density to be cost effective, both in terms of kWhrs/£ and CO2/kWhr. However, i am not against them building things like the wind farms, afterall, it's keeping people in jobs and keeps the EthincPeaceBicyclists quiet for a while, while the real future of sustainable energy production (projects like ITER) carries on unhindered ;-)
Max_Torque said:
I don't really understand all the "wind turbines are destroying everything" argument. Yes, they change the way the environment looks, but if in 25years they turn out to be rubbish (which there is a good chance they will!) then we can just take them down again. It's not like they are going to leave a huge scar on the landscape that will take 100's of years to heal!
Actually they will leave a significant scar on the landscape particularly as many wind farms are in upland areas of fragile landscape - the sort where even a well-used footpath can cause serious long term damage.The turbine itself must sit on a large concrete foundation but before it can be built you need to build roads to each turbine site, wide and strong enough to support lorries carrying large sections of the turbine. At the turbine site itself, you'll also need to prepare areas for cranes to work on. It's only when you look at a windfarm from above do you typically see how extensive the construction work is.
It must be said though that there is virtually no natural landscape in the UK - at some point or other humans have cut down forests, farmed the land, created grouse moors, quarried and built hill forts.
Big News said:
This one. Along with practically every other windfarm site in Wales...
I can't make it out, but is that a pine forest on the left?not natural if so
without getting into the 'windfarms are crap' argument, because I agree, the argument that they spoil some percieved 'natural' state is weak
would you maybe prefer this brown coal open cast mine, near me?:
http://maps.google.de/maps?q=garzweiler&oe=utf...
fficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&sa=N&tab=wlor Fukushima or Chernobyl, maybe
NIMBYism is not the correct response to these things
Hugo a Gogo said:
no doubt people hated many of the great constructions when they were first built, great bridges, towers, castles
they hated it when enclosure took over from the open fields we used to have
they hated it when brick buildings became common
they hated it when the forests were cleared
they probably hated it when the ice age ended
it's a bit of a piss poor complaint to moan about them not being made of stone or wattle and daub or something, what about the thousands of electricity pylons all over the country? what are they, whittled out of native Rowan trees?
how about the 'pictureseque' old bright Red phone boxes people campaigned to keep?
they only places I know here in Germany with wind farms are dull flat areas, with zero of interest to see, other than these big feckers spinning, and they do look quite impressive in a techno way
mind you, I do think wind farms are a crap idea overall
OK, I don't like them because they doon't do what they're supposed to, are expensive and take attention away from future energy solutions that will actually work.they hated it when enclosure took over from the open fields we used to have
they hated it when brick buildings became common
they hated it when the forests were cleared
they probably hated it when the ice age ended
it's a bit of a piss poor complaint to moan about them not being made of stone or wattle and daub or something, what about the thousands of electricity pylons all over the country? what are they, whittled out of native Rowan trees?
how about the 'pictureseque' old bright Red phone boxes people campaigned to keep?
they only places I know here in Germany with wind farms are dull flat areas, with zero of interest to see, other than these big feckers spinning, and they do look quite impressive in a techno way
mind you, I do think wind farms are a crap idea overall
I live in the countryside and have a second home (lucky me) in both places there are wind turbines and I like them. I think they are elegant and aesthetically pleasing.
The post further up showing the costs was set out as an argument against5 them, but the post showed the cost of wind was the cheapest of the sustainable sources of electricity.
Further much of the argument on here especially from one poster seems to be of the NIMBY type of argument. In my experience NIMBYS go to great lengths to demonstrate that the thing they object to is uneconomic, in the wrong place etc. These arguments are the same whether its a windfarm, a railway or a new house.
The fact is that power generation needs to come from a range of sources and wind is one of those. As is nuclear, as is fossil fuel etc. Every single source of power is a compromise between environmental impact and inconvenience for its neighbours. NIMBYism is not a valid reason not to do something.
The post further up showing the costs was set out as an argument against5 them, but the post showed the cost of wind was the cheapest of the sustainable sources of electricity.
Further much of the argument on here especially from one poster seems to be of the NIMBY type of argument. In my experience NIMBYS go to great lengths to demonstrate that the thing they object to is uneconomic, in the wrong place etc. These arguments are the same whether its a windfarm, a railway or a new house.
The fact is that power generation needs to come from a range of sources and wind is one of those. As is nuclear, as is fossil fuel etc. Every single source of power is a compromise between environmental impact and inconvenience for its neighbours. NIMBYism is not a valid reason not to do something.
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