Snap General Election Tomorrow
Poll: Snap General Election Tomorrow
Total Members Polled: 698
Discussion
I just clicked liberal.
Should I go and hide in a bunker now or just wait for the death squads because they'll find me anyway?
BTW I do find it somewhat disappointing to move from an SAS knicker snapper to something that.....no that was something I stepped in....can we have the drunk Scotsman back please?
Should I go and hide in a bunker now or just wait for the death squads because they'll find me anyway?
BTW I do find it somewhat disappointing to move from an SAS knicker snapper to something that.....no that was something I stepped in....can we have the drunk Scotsman back please?
Derek Smith said:
dandarez said:
Cameron (my local MP) is virtually unrecognisable as the the guy we used to deal with when he was just a constituency MP. My wife truly believes it's not the same bloke!
He used to answer letters personally, he didn't fob you off, he got things done fast, and if it took time he was always on the case regardless.
So, is it really still him?
Re the vote, proves I was right when I voted last time. A sea change is what this country needs.
Just needs a few more Tories to revise their thinking in the run-up to the next GE and UKIP might do a Galloway!
stuff He used to answer letters personally, he didn't fob you off, he got things done fast, and if it took time he was always on the case regardless.
So, is it really still him?
Re the vote, proves I was right when I voted last time. A sea change is what this country needs.
Just needs a few more Tories to revise their thinking in the run-up to the next GE and UKIP might do a Galloway!
Almost alien... when one takes over another's body.
His demeanor, everything, is changed. And you know, women spot these things!
Next time look closely... those eyes, that tight skin... just like a mask...
So... is it really him?
Will the real CMD please stand up.
Again it comes back to ideology. You can be a great constituency MP with no real ideology at all. You get onto the council about holes in the road, you champion local causes and push for improvements to your area.
Leading the party, and the country though requires something a bit more. You need something underneath it to inform decisions and form a coherent policy, rather than just an ability to campaign, and a (genuine or otherwise) concern for those you represent.
Cameron notably lacks this.
Leading the party, and the country though requires something a bit more. You need something underneath it to inform decisions and form a coherent policy, rather than just an ability to campaign, and a (genuine or otherwise) concern for those you represent.
Cameron notably lacks this.
I have always voted Conservative in both General and Local elections apart from once. In the council elections a few years ago neither my wife nor I voted as the Conservative candidate was the woman who sold us our current house and, because of the way she had handled the house sale and some of the misrepresentations (I'm being polite) she had made about some of the 'improvements' she had had made to the house we felt we couldn't trust her and we didn't want to vote for her.
I now feel the same way about Dave. Because of what he has already said and done I don't feel I can trust him or those close to him to do what's best for the country. For that reason I have gone for UKIP in this poll and I would probably do the same in a real election, although I would hate to see Labour get back in, but we have to get a message through to the Conservatives.
And for those that keep saying that UKIP are a one-trick party I would suggest you look at their manifesto. I find myself agreeing with most of it probably because it was IMO what a true Conservative manifesto should pretty much look like.
I now feel the same way about Dave. Because of what he has already said and done I don't feel I can trust him or those close to him to do what's best for the country. For that reason I have gone for UKIP in this poll and I would probably do the same in a real election, although I would hate to see Labour get back in, but we have to get a message through to the Conservatives.
And for those that keep saying that UKIP are a one-trick party I would suggest you look at their manifesto. I find myself agreeing with most of it probably because it was IMO what a true Conservative manifesto should pretty much look like.
Derek Smith said:
dandarez said:
Will the real CMD please stand up.
He doesn't seem to stand up for much. Certainly not principles.Fed up with the years of rot.
MacMillan was the last toff who thought about (or rather could relate to) the people and not just shooting game, then it went downhill with Douglas-Home and the rest. I sometimes wonder what would have happened had MacMillan continued.
However, it is interesting to think back to 1964 and the foresight of even Douglas-Home.
Immediately after Home's G. Election defeat, Kruschev was deposed, China let off an atomic bomb and he commented on these happening but what was most interesting in my book is what else he said, bearing in mind this was getting on for nearly fifty years ago... and four years before Enoch delivered his speech.
"Immigration is a problem and a very real problem in a number of districts... we need to control it very strictly... and it brings about most serious social and economic problems."
Fast forward to today and what is one of the three biggest concerns of the public?
speedy_thrills said:
Morningside said:
I still think the Tories will get a really kicking from UKIP.
Time will tell (and all that).
What, UKIP will actually win a seat you mean? Time will tell (and all that).
Your electoral process heavily favours a bipartisan system. ukwill said:
People voting for UKIP are obviously comfortable with a Labour Govt. Because make no mistake, that is the only outcome.
(And clearly, that isn't a great reflection on the "democratic" voting system we have in place, but it's the one we have).
So are you happy with blue tie socialism?(And clearly, that isn't a great reflection on the "democratic" voting system we have in place, but it's the one we have).
anonymous said:
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In fairness the deficit reduction program is, so far, on course. We are down to 8.3% as of this year (iirc). We were up near 12% 2yrs ago.What grates me more than anything is the sheer gall of Miliband et al. Thirteen bloody years they had. Thirteen.
Now, 2yrs out of Govt and they're talking as though all of societies pain is as a direct consequence of the coalition (and their "brutal/callous/<insert invective adject here>" cuts). I can't tell you how much that winds me up.
No one said this was going to be an easy ride. Labour appear to want people to believe it could be. As ever, Labour are talking out of their collective arse.
This thread is actually quite depressing.
The whole of point of free and fare elections are that we can vote for those who represent us the most. By doing so, the political leaders (all of them) learn what it is the public want from our leaders.
if everyone votes for a party (eg Blue) just to stop a less acceptable party (eg red) getting in, then the message they all get is that the party (blue in this case) are doing/saying something right. Which isn't the case at all.
Despite what you all say about a UKIP (or any other small party) vote being a vote for Labour, it is in fact a vote to continue that absolute debarcle of merry-go round politics. Anyone who votes for any party that does not represent them is clearly an idiot, who is happy for the aforementioned merry-go round to continue. If the smaller parties start to gain ground and get real representation in parliament, then the larger parties WILL take note of the smaller party policies and make the necessary changes to their own policies.
Voting for the party that represents you is never a wasted vote and is the only method we have in this country of initiating any real change. So fine, spend all day defending your vote for blue or red to stop red or blue getting in. All you're doing is voting for the merry-go round of the last god-knows-how-many years. If you all continue to do that then clearly the government (read as - carrer politicians) will always get in.
I'm personally sick of the merry-go round.
The whole of point of free and fare elections are that we can vote for those who represent us the most. By doing so, the political leaders (all of them) learn what it is the public want from our leaders.
if everyone votes for a party (eg Blue) just to stop a less acceptable party (eg red) getting in, then the message they all get is that the party (blue in this case) are doing/saying something right. Which isn't the case at all.
Despite what you all say about a UKIP (or any other small party) vote being a vote for Labour, it is in fact a vote to continue that absolute debarcle of merry-go round politics. Anyone who votes for any party that does not represent them is clearly an idiot, who is happy for the aforementioned merry-go round to continue. If the smaller parties start to gain ground and get real representation in parliament, then the larger parties WILL take note of the smaller party policies and make the necessary changes to their own policies.
Voting for the party that represents you is never a wasted vote and is the only method we have in this country of initiating any real change. So fine, spend all day defending your vote for blue or red to stop red or blue getting in. All you're doing is voting for the merry-go round of the last god-knows-how-many years. If you all continue to do that then clearly the government (read as - carrer politicians) will always get in.
I'm personally sick of the merry-go round.
AshVX220 said:
This thread is actually quite depressing.
The whole of point of free and fare elections are that we can vote for those who represent us the most. By doing so, the political leaders (all of them) learn what it is the public want from our leaders.
if everyone votes for a party (eg Blue) just to stop a less acceptable party (eg red) getting in, then the message they all get is that the party (blue in this case) are doing/saying something right. Which isn't the case at all.
Despite what you all say about a UKIP (or any other small party) vote being a vote for Labour, it is in fact a vote to continue that absolute debarcle of merry-go round politics. Anyone who votes for any party that does not represent them is clearly an idiot, who is happy for the aforementioned merry-go round to continue. If the smaller parties start to gain ground and get real representation in parliament, then the larger parties WILL take note of the smaller party policies and make the necessary changes to their own policies.
Voting for the party that represents you is never a wasted vote and is the only method we have in this country of initiating any real change. So fine, spend all day defending your vote for blue or red to stop red or blue getting in. All you're doing is voting for the merry-go round of the last god-knows-how-many years. If you all continue to do that then clearly the government (read as - carrer politicians) will always get in.
I'm personally sick of the merry-go round.
The whole of point of free and fare elections are that we can vote for those who represent us the most. By doing so, the political leaders (all of them) learn what it is the public want from our leaders.
if everyone votes for a party (eg Blue) just to stop a less acceptable party (eg red) getting in, then the message they all get is that the party (blue in this case) are doing/saying something right. Which isn't the case at all.
Despite what you all say about a UKIP (or any other small party) vote being a vote for Labour, it is in fact a vote to continue that absolute debarcle of merry-go round politics. Anyone who votes for any party that does not represent them is clearly an idiot, who is happy for the aforementioned merry-go round to continue. If the smaller parties start to gain ground and get real representation in parliament, then the larger parties WILL take note of the smaller party policies and make the necessary changes to their own policies.
Voting for the party that represents you is never a wasted vote and is the only method we have in this country of initiating any real change. So fine, spend all day defending your vote for blue or red to stop red or blue getting in. All you're doing is voting for the merry-go round of the last god-knows-how-many years. If you all continue to do that then clearly the government (read as - carrer politicians) will always get in.
I'm personally sick of the merry-go round.
DieselGriff said:
The problem is that the issue of the EU is becoming more and more of an issue for the British public and is an issue that has been ignored by the three main parties hence the rise of UKIP and even despite this they continue to ignore it. The only way they will address the issue is if power is taken away from them as a result. For this reason anyone who wants their MP to listen to their concerns about Europe should vote UKIP otherwise those views will continue to be ignored.
When UKIP start polling 15-20% then they'll get taken seriously. The fact is that they are polling similar numbers as the Greens, which should make it quite clear to PH'ers, at least, just how unimportant the public rates them.anonymous said:
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I agree with you. However, just look at the amount of noise created by just these level of cuts?! Toynbee tells everyone weekly that we're all going to die of famine and pestilence, brought on by the Nasty Party and their callous disregard for the role of the state, so there surely must be some truth in it...I think, back in 2010, before the cuts had even begun, when people voted for cuts (which is effectively what almost all the electorate did), they didn't actually perceive the consequences. Now look what happens - I cant think of a cut (or reduction in the rate of public spend!) that the Labour party (who were going to make "cuts worse than Thatcher") have actually agreed with. Disingenuous, populist a
holes.AshVX220 said:
This thread is actually quite depressing.
The whole of point of free and fare elections are that we can vote for those who represent us the most. By doing so, the political leaders (all of them) learn what it is the public want from our leaders.
if everyone votes for a party (eg Blue) just to stop a less acceptable party (eg red) getting in, then the message they all get is that the party (blue in this case) are doing/saying something right. Which isn't the case at all.
Despite what you all say about a UKIP (or any other small party) vote being a vote for Labour, it is in fact a vote to continue that absolute debarcle of merry-go round politics. Anyone who votes for any party that does not represent them is clearly an idiot, who is happy for the aforementioned merry-go round to continue. If the smaller parties start to gain ground and get real representation in parliament, then the larger parties WILL take note of the smaller party policies and make the necessary changes to their own policies.
Voting for the party that represents you is never a wasted vote and is the only method we have in this country of initiating any real change. So fine, spend all day defending your vote for blue or red to stop red or blue getting in. All you're doing is voting for the merry-go round of the last god-knows-how-many years. If you all continue to do that then clearly the government (read as - carrer politicians) will always get in.
I'm personally sick of the merry-go round.
No party represents me totally - nor I imagine, could ever do. UKIPs manifesto reads typically of the kind of party the LDs were - a party that knew it would never have a chance to get in so thought it would be a good idea to attempt to be all things to all people. Theoretically speaking (because frankly that's all it could ever be), if UKIP ever managed to get in they would have a snowballs chance in hell of legislating for even 10% of their manifesto.The whole of point of free and fare elections are that we can vote for those who represent us the most. By doing so, the political leaders (all of them) learn what it is the public want from our leaders.
if everyone votes for a party (eg Blue) just to stop a less acceptable party (eg red) getting in, then the message they all get is that the party (blue in this case) are doing/saying something right. Which isn't the case at all.
Despite what you all say about a UKIP (or any other small party) vote being a vote for Labour, it is in fact a vote to continue that absolute debarcle of merry-go round politics. Anyone who votes for any party that does not represent them is clearly an idiot, who is happy for the aforementioned merry-go round to continue. If the smaller parties start to gain ground and get real representation in parliament, then the larger parties WILL take note of the smaller party policies and make the necessary changes to their own policies.
Voting for the party that represents you is never a wasted vote and is the only method we have in this country of initiating any real change. So fine, spend all day defending your vote for blue or red to stop red or blue getting in. All you're doing is voting for the merry-go round of the last god-knows-how-many years. If you all continue to do that then clearly the government (read as - carrer politicians) will always get in.
I'm personally sick of the merry-go round.
Cameron did the right thing (imo) by waving the veto last year. The euro-sceptics were ecstatic. To my mind a proper Tory party (not a coalition) would almost eradicate the UKIP vote. As such, I see no reason to attempt to further dilute the Tory voting base because it would actually work against me.
Edited by ukwill on Monday 30th April 15:59
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