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swerni said:
You can delete some of the foot notes as well to make it look like you didn't have you keep correcting yourself 
As Engineer has already said, you would be mad to cycle by the kerb.
I cycle about a third of the way across the lane.
This means if I do have to manoeuvre I have the option of moving left or right.
If I'm too close the the kerb, I would be constantly pulling across into the path of other cars to avoid pot holes, drains, manhole covers and parked cars.
By doing this it means I can be very consistent and it gives other road users the confidence to pass me.
If I was constantly pulling in and out it would cause other road users a real headache.
Jeeeesus, Sweri, I'll get the hang of this yet!As Engineer has already said, you would be mad to cycle by the kerb.
I cycle about a third of the way across the lane.
This means if I do have to manoeuvre I have the option of moving left or right.
If I'm too close the the kerb, I would be constantly pulling across into the path of other cars to avoid pot holes, drains, manhole covers and parked cars.
By doing this it means I can be very consistent and it gives other road users the confidence to pass me.
If I was constantly pulling in and out it would cause other road users a real headache.
Medic-one said:
I came up behind 3 cyclist on a countrylane here not long ago, and i was in a rush (999 call) and had my blue lights on, but no sirens as there was no traffic. I beeped whilst coming up to them, which they ignored, i then beeped twice when i was right behind them with no room to overtake, and all i got was a middle finger, without them even looking behind. So i then had to active the sirens which made them jump and hit each others steering wheels and nearly fall over.
So let me get this straight:You were on an emergency call, and instead of the priority being for your patient, you were more interested in proving a point to some cyclists.
Cyclists don't have mirrors so they wouldn't see the blue lights, you should have had your sirens on to pass them as you approach them. In fact, I'd go further. Your actions will have actually cost the patient several potentially critical seconds. And you call yourself a medic?
bigdavy said:
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My question was relatively simple, are there any regulations, and it seems not. Apart from the HC which the majority of road user simply ignore....
You missed my My question was relatively simple, are there any regulations, and it seems not. Apart from the HC which the majority of road user simply ignore....
oldsoak said:
Section 29 of the Road Traffic Act states ..."Careless, and inconsiderate, cycling.If a person rides a cycle on a road without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road, he is guilty of an offence."
then?
simoid said:
Does riding two abreast (like a pair of tits?!) constitute breach of that law, though?
It doesn't differentiate in how many or how few cyclists are there...all it says is that if a person rides a cycle on a road without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road he/she commits an offence...so yes.oldsoak said:
Section 29 of the Road Traffic Act states ..."Careless, and inconsiderate, cycling.If a person rides a cycle on a road without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road, he is guilty of an offence."
I'd love to know how often that law gets used.I found riding a bike on the road a weird experience after decades of cowed obedience as a car driver - basically, nobody is watching, what few regulations do apply simply aren't enforced and you are essentially unregulated.
otolith said:
I'd love to know how often that law gets used.
I found riding a bike on the road a weird experience after decades of cowed obedience as a car driver - basically, nobody is watching, what few regulations do apply simply aren't enforced and you are essentially unregulated.
I guess we all would...but it's 'out there' ready to use anyway. Just because we don't know of anyone personally that has found themselves on the wrong end of it, doesn't mean it never gets used.I found riding a bike on the road a weird experience after decades of cowed obedience as a car driver - basically, nobody is watching, what few regulations do apply simply aren't enforced and you are essentially unregulated.
Kinda glad this thread is still semi active, I was wondering last night as I was on the way home.
Cars zip passed bikes all the time without drama when they are in bike lanes and that clearance is nothing like what the HW code suggests.
Any thoughts on that? As a driver I do it without blinking and as a cyclist I have no issue with it either (but then I think giving bikes the same space as a car is massively OTT anyway unless the rider looks distinctly wobbly/flaky)
Cars zip passed bikes all the time without drama when they are in bike lanes and that clearance is nothing like what the HW code suggests.
Any thoughts on that? As a driver I do it without blinking and as a cyclist I have no issue with it either (but then I think giving bikes the same space as a car is massively OTT anyway unless the rider looks distinctly wobbly/flaky)
oyster said:
So let me get this straight:
You were on an emergency call, and instead of the priority being for your patient, you were more interested in proving a point to some cyclists.
Cyclists don't have mirrors so they wouldn't see the blue lights, you should have had your sirens on to pass them as you approach them. In fact, I'd go further. Your actions will have actually cost the patient several potentially critical seconds. And you call yourself a medic?
Sirens only come on when needed, to get through traffic, they are not on constantly, specially not late at night or early in the morning, like this was the case.You were on an emergency call, and instead of the priority being for your patient, you were more interested in proving a point to some cyclists.
Cyclists don't have mirrors so they wouldn't see the blue lights, you should have had your sirens on to pass them as you approach them. In fact, I'd go further. Your actions will have actually cost the patient several potentially critical seconds. And you call yourself a medic?
And apart from there being no traffic, i was in the countryside, surrounded by fields with horses, in an area that has a lot of horse riders on the actual road, so again sirens will not be on if not required.
Cyclists don't have mirrors, so they should look behind them, even more when they are cycling 3 wide, and hear a car approach, and then hear this car beep.
And then hear the car get even closer, and beep again.
But instead of looking behind them, i got ignored the first time, and i got a middlefinger the 2nd time, which says enough about this trio of cyclists.
My point was that because they were being selfish basterds (staying 3 wide, ignoring car behind them, and middlefinger) i would not have mind if they'd fallen over.
Medic-one said:
oyster said:
So let me get this straight:
You were on an emergency call, and instead of the priority being for your patient, you were more interested in proving a point to some cyclists.
Cyclists don't have mirrors so they wouldn't see the blue lights, you should have had your sirens on to pass them as you approach them. In fact, I'd go further. Your actions will have actually cost the patient several potentially critical seconds. And you call yourself a medic?
Sirens only come on when needed, to get through traffic, they are not on constantly, specially not late at night or early in the morning, like this was the case.You were on an emergency call, and instead of the priority being for your patient, you were more interested in proving a point to some cyclists.
Cyclists don't have mirrors so they wouldn't see the blue lights, you should have had your sirens on to pass them as you approach them. In fact, I'd go further. Your actions will have actually cost the patient several potentially critical seconds. And you call yourself a medic?
And apart from there being no traffic, i was in the countryside, surrounded by fields with horses, in an area that has a lot of horse riders on the actual road, so again sirens will not be on if not required.
Cyclists don't have mirrors, so they should look behind them, even more when they are cycling 3 wide, and hear a car approach, and then hear this car beep.
And then hear the car get even closer, and beep again.
But instead of looking behind them, i got ignored the first time, and i got a middlefinger the 2nd time, which says enough about this trio of cyclists.
My point was that because they were being selfish basterds (staying 3 wide, ignoring car behind them, and middlefinger) i would not have mind if they'd fallen over.
As to sirens not being on at night - you're having a laugh aren't you. Just last night an ambulance passed my house at 11:50pm with not a single car in sight (I was walking back from the station) yet the sirens were at full blast. It's not the first time either.
oyster said:
As to sirens not being on at night - you're having a laugh aren't you. Just last night an ambulance passed my house at 11:50pm with not a single car in sight (I was walking back from the station) yet the sirens were at full blast. It's not the first time either.
Perhaps the sirens were for your benefit?oyster said:
As to sirens not being on at night - you're having a laugh aren't you. Just last night an ambulance passed my house at 11:50pm with not a single car in sight (I was walking back from the station) yet the sirens were at full blast. It's not the first time either.
I'm not saying we never use them at night. We use them at night if required, if there's a busy junction coming up, if there's a pedestrian maybe about to cross a road, or any other possible danger you might not have seen but the driver did.Engineer1 said:
So 3 bikes ridding abreast doesn't count?
If those three bikes were one car, or two motorcycles, you'd be calling the drivers/riders bloody idiots for not seeing and moving for an ambulance.Because it's three f
k brained cyclists, who's fellow cyclists keep telling us can hear a motorvehicle coming from the other side of the world, long before any drivers can see them, even if drivers had x ray vision, because cyclists are so wonderful, then it is the motorised persons fault.Chances are they heard a motorvehicle approaching and just thought "b
ks", we're saving the planet, we have a right to be here, no laws apply to us, we can do as we wish etc etc etc.Lets hope medic one uses his sirens next time they refuse to move, and the stroppy b
ds fall off and go under the wheels of the ambulance, then we'll all be rid of three more fk brained eco warrior cyclists !
simoid said:
It's possible.
It's also possible that the "stroppy bd" cyclist you have wished under an ambulances wheels will be deaf too.
Just a thought.
I've got no problems with deaf cyclists, or deaf cyclists not hearing me approach. But i do have a problem with cyclists just sticking up their middle finger and continueing to block the road, as that's just plain rude...It's also possible that the "stroppy b
d" cyclist you have wished under an ambulances wheels will be deaf too.Just a thought.
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