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GhostDriver said:
You forgot to mention the Jews that eat babies and the gays that are all peados.
Oh your from Devon, they're all backwards there arent they? (you see what I did there?)
I think you missed the point. On the basis of pure statistics, Mike2Mike is sadly right. Young black males do commit a disproportionate amount of crime compared to other ethnic groups. Oh your from Devon, they're all backwards there arent they? (you see what I did there?)
If you were to look in more detail the relationship would actually be that young black males were subject to a greater degree of poverty, lack of opportunity and education, and the subsequent cycle that repeats itself. Those are the main underlying causes of crime. I'm sure Mike2Mike was making that point rather than suggesting any bigoted ethnic inferiority, which is what you seem to have interpreted it as.
Either way, it is wholly unacceptable to stop and search anyone without reasonable, objective grounds for doing so. It is never acceptable to do so on the basis of what proportion of crime the same ethnic group as the subject's commit.
La Liga said:
GhostDriver said:
You forgot to mention the Jews that eat babies and the gays that are all peados.
Oh your from Devon, they're all backwards there arent they? (you see what I did there?)
I think you missed the point. On the basis of pure statistics, Mike2Mike is sadly right. Young black males do commit a disproportionate amount of crime compared to other ethnic groups. Oh your from Devon, they're all backwards there arent they? (you see what I did there?)
If you were to look in more detail the relationship would actually be that young black males were subject to a greater degree of poverty, lack of opportunity and education, and the subsequent cycle that repeats itself. Those are the main underlying causes of crime. I'm sure Mike2Mike was making that point rather than suggesting any bigoted ethnic inferiority, which is what you seem to have interpreted it as.
Either way, it is wholly unacceptable to stop and search anyone without reasonable, objective grounds for doing so. It is never acceptable to do so on the basis of what proportion of crime the same ethnic group as the subject's commit.
To say what Mike said is really stupid.
I think you'll find most peado's are white, maybe we should stop and search white men near playgrounds?
After all they fit the statistics?
Someone said said something stupid I pulled them up on it. You are using 'statistics' to justify racial profiling and there is no place for that in today's world.
Im saying what he said was pathetically stupid and backward, I find it offensive and Im not even black.
I've had my say, and this if off topic.
Im not going to comment anymore on this thread.
lombardo8 said:
I hate the police and they have never been of any use to me. The ones I have unfortunately dealt with a a bunch of racist to
ers. I'll be honest though, they responded within 3 minutes once, when we called them to a psycho who brought a large Knife to threaten a group of us playing football on a park beacuse we 'harrased' his dog. The sad thing was despite over 20 witnesses, the knife man was allowed to go home. Thankfully he hasnt been back since the incident. Go on youtube and search for ''JME police stop and search'' This young well behaved grime artiste with a university degree has about 10 videos of him getting stopped by the Met over a 1 year period and the coppers giving him all rubbish excuses when its so obvious he is getting stopped because he is a young black man in a very expensive car in a nicer part of town.
You my friend are a tube and just as bad as the idiot that was filming to cop.ers. I'll be honest though, they responded within 3 minutes once, when we called them to a psycho who brought a large Knife to threaten a group of us playing football on a park beacuse we 'harrased' his dog. The sad thing was despite over 20 witnesses, the knife man was allowed to go home. Thankfully he hasnt been back since the incident. Go on youtube and search for ''JME police stop and search'' This young well behaved grime artiste with a university degree has about 10 videos of him getting stopped by the Met over a 1 year period and the coppers giving him all rubbish excuses when its so obvious he is getting stopped because he is a young black man in a very expensive car in a nicer part of town.Top marks to the cop who remained calm and collected.
GhostDriver said:
I think you'll find most peado's are white, maybe we should stop and search white men near playgrounds?
After all they fit the statistics?
Sorry to drag this OT, and I know GhostDriver doesn't want to respond to this topic (which I completely respect, this isn't personal it's a rant) but it's a real pet hate of mine.After all they fit the statistics?
Show me (and publish to all) a statistical correlation that you can support with robust evidence and I will ABSOLUTELY agree to search all white men near playgrounds or any other stereotype you want to deny.
We shouldn't be scared to deal with every level of a problem for fear of causing offence. I'm not saying don't address the root cause - we absolutely should, but to not target a group of people you've identified as most likely to commit an offence just because you might hurt their feelings seems to me to be a very naive approach to life.
La Liga said:
We helped a Polish gent tape the lights back together after an accident where he stopped on a railway crossing and someone crashed into the back of him. Apparently in Poland it's the sone thing to stop at railway crossings to see if any trains are approaching. I explained the barriers do that job for us. After helping him he said, 'police over here are different. In Poland they tell me to fk off and beat me in the head'. I've always wondered why Poles and eastern Europeans never accept a lift if they are really drunk and we offer them a lift him. It's because they think we'll bash them.
It's a fascinating thing perspective and experience. To him the experience must have been so positive compared to his beliefs and expectations about the police. Yet people (I refuse to watch the video so am making an assumption as to the content) like him think we're the SS.
It's quite depressing to think people lack any form of perspective. I await a PHer missing the point and linking me to a news article showing a police officer being convicted for using too much force.
I wonder if this sort of thing is why my Polish housemate is convinced that all forms of government or public body are out to get him. k off and beat me in the head'. I've always wondered why Poles and eastern Europeans never accept a lift if they are really drunk and we offer them a lift him. It's because they think we'll bash them. It's a fascinating thing perspective and experience. To him the experience must have been so positive compared to his beliefs and expectations about the police. Yet people (I refuse to watch the video so am making an assumption as to the content) like him think we're the SS.
It's quite depressing to think people lack any form of perspective. I await a PHer missing the point and linking me to a news article showing a police officer being convicted for using too much force.
He thinks that a traffic warden put a parking ticket on his car for a picture, then intentionally took it off again so that he wouldn't get the option to pay the 'reduced' amount. His reasoning for this is that the traffic warden probably gets a bonus (which is kept secret) for doing this.
Likewise, he's convinced his appeal will fail because the tribunal will be paid by the council, and it will be impossible to track said payment because it will be secret.
elvismiggell said:
Sorry to drag this OT, and I know GhostDriver doesn't want to respond to this topic (which I completely respect, this isn't personal it's a rant) but it's a real pet hate of mine.
Show me (and publish to all) a statistical correlation that you can support with robust evidence and I will ABSOLUTELY agree to search all white men near playgrounds or any other stereotype you want to deny.
We shouldn't be scared to deal with every level of a problem for fear of causing offence. I'm not saying don't address the root cause - we absolutely should, but to not target a group of people you've identified as most likely to commit an offence just because you might hurt their feelings seems to me to be a very naive approach to life.
This. If I was a police officer then I WOULD 'check out' a single white male hanging around suspiciously near a kiddies playground. Makes Sense.Show me (and publish to all) a statistical correlation that you can support with robust evidence and I will ABSOLUTELY agree to search all white men near playgrounds or any other stereotype you want to deny.
We shouldn't be scared to deal with every level of a problem for fear of causing offence. I'm not saying don't address the root cause - we absolutely should, but to not target a group of people you've identified as most likely to commit an offence just because you might hurt their feelings seems to me to be a very naive approach to life.
If I was a police officer I WOULD 'check out' a young black male driving an expensive car in a nice area. Makes Sense.
If I was a police officer I WOULD 'check out' a young asian male carrying a heavy rucksack onto a tube train. Makes sense.
If I was a police officer I WOULD 'check out' two middle aged med in a heavily laden transit pickup heading towards a travellers camp. Makes sense.
Is all that racial profiling? Probably, based on real world realities. Would that mean I was racist? Of course not. We need the pendulum to swing back towards real world realities, and away from fear of creating offence.
elvismiggell said:
Sorry to drag this OT, and I know GhostDriver doesn't want to respond to this topic (which I completely respect, this isn't personal it's a rant) but it's a real pet hate of mine.
Show me (and publish to all) a statistical correlation that you can support with robust evidence and I will ABSOLUTELY agree to search all white men near playgrounds or any other stereotype you want to deny.
We shouldn't be scared to deal with every level of a problem for fear of causing offence. I'm not saying don't address the root cause - we absolutely should, but to not target a group of people you've identified as most likely to commit an offence just because you might hurt their feelings seems to me to be a very naive approach to life.
You only have to look on PH recently to see a couple of threads about fathers out with their kids and taking pictures of the event being targeted as potential peado's by police or staff members - so profiling exists whether we like it or not.Show me (and publish to all) a statistical correlation that you can support with robust evidence and I will ABSOLUTELY agree to search all white men near playgrounds or any other stereotype you want to deny.
We shouldn't be scared to deal with every level of a problem for fear of causing offence. I'm not saying don't address the root cause - we absolutely should, but to not target a group of people you've identified as most likely to commit an offence just because you might hurt their feelings seems to me to be a very naive approach to life.
Profiling isn't very nice, but it can be very accurate.
Any of us who've served in the military recently will know of the 'Profile of a Suicide Bomber' and what to look for when seeing people to identify if the individual is likely to be one or not.
Stereotypes my be frowned upon in today's PC-mad world, but there's a grain of truth in every one, somewhere along the line.
shunaphil said:
This. If I was a police officer then I WOULD 'check out' a single white male hanging around suspiciously near a kiddies playground. Makes Sense.
If I was a police officer I WOULD 'check out' a young black male driving an expensive car in a nice area. Makes Sense.
If I was a police officer I WOULD 'check out' a young asian male carrying a heavy rucksack onto a tube train. Makes sense.
If I was a police officer I WOULD 'check out' two middle aged med in a heavily laden transit pickup heading towards a travellers camp. Makes sense.
Is all that racial profiling? Probably, based on real world realities. Would that mean I was racist? Of course not. We need the pendulum to swing back towards real world realities, and away from fear of creating offence.
Those are not great examples of racial profileing, they are a bit cliché and do smack of racism. A young asian male with a rucksack? C'mon!If I was a police officer I WOULD 'check out' a young black male driving an expensive car in a nice area. Makes Sense.
If I was a police officer I WOULD 'check out' a young asian male carrying a heavy rucksack onto a tube train. Makes sense.
If I was a police officer I WOULD 'check out' two middle aged med in a heavily laden transit pickup heading towards a travellers camp. Makes sense.
Is all that racial profiling? Probably, based on real world realities. Would that mean I was racist? Of course not. We need the pendulum to swing back towards real world realities, and away from fear of creating offence.
Brigand said:
You only have to look on PH recently to see a couple of threads about fathers out with their kids and taking pictures of the event being targeted as potential peado's by police or staff members - so profiling exists whether we like it or not.
Profiling isn't very nice, but it can be very accurate.
Any of us who've served in the military recently will know of the 'Profile of a Suicide Bomber' and what to look for when seeing people to identify if the individual is likely to be one or not.
Stereotypes my be frowned upon in today's PC-mad world, but there's a grain of truth in every one, somewhere along the line.
I would say that I expect the profiling to be done politely - an "assumption of innocence but an obligation to check" sort of mentality.Profiling isn't very nice, but it can be very accurate.
Any of us who've served in the military recently will know of the 'Profile of a Suicide Bomber' and what to look for when seeing people to identify if the individual is likely to be one or not.
Stereotypes my be frowned upon in today's PC-mad world, but there's a grain of truth in every one, somewhere along the line.
Personally I'd actually like the officer to be very upfront about it - "sorry sir but we have some statistics to indicate someone of your ilk is more likely to be doing such and such so we'd just like to take a moment to check you out" etc.
I'm fortunate enough not to have ever been targeted except once when driving home 4 up at 3am in the morning from Bible study and once from a Christmas do. I can appreciate that persistant stops might wear a bit thin, but that's where the government and society has an obligation to do something about the cause of the profile to try to get rid of it.
GhostDriver said:
La Liga said:
GhostDriver said:
You forgot to mention the Jews that eat babies and the gays that are all peados.
Oh your from Devon, they're all backwards there arent they? (you see what I did there?)
I think you missed the point. On the basis of pure statistics, Mike2Mike is sadly right. Young black males do commit a disproportionate amount of crime compared to other ethnic groups. Oh your from Devon, they're all backwards there arent they? (you see what I did there?)
If you were to look in more detail the relationship would actually be that young black males were subject to a greater degree of poverty, lack of opportunity and education, and the subsequent cycle that repeats itself. Those are the main underlying causes of crime. I'm sure Mike2Mike was making that point rather than suggesting any bigoted ethnic inferiority, which is what you seem to have interpreted it as.
Either way, it is wholly unacceptable to stop and search anyone without reasonable, objective grounds for doing so. It is never acceptable to do so on the basis of what proportion of crime the same ethnic group as the subject's commit.
To say what Mike said is really stupid.
I think you'll find most peado's are white, maybe we should stop and search white men near playgrounds?
After all they fit the statistics?
Someone said said something stupid I pulled them up on it. You are using 'statistics' to justify racial profiling and there is no place for that in today's world.
Im saying what he said was pathetically stupid and backward, I find it offensive and Im not even black.
I've had my say, and this if off topic.
Im not going to comment anymore on this thread.
Meoricin said:
La Liga said:
We helped a Polish gent tape the lights back together after an accident where he stopped on a railway crossing and someone crashed into the back of him. Apparently in Poland it's the sone thing to stop at railway crossings to see if any trains are approaching. I explained the barriers do that job for us. After helping him he said, 'police over here are different. In Poland they tell me to fk off and beat me in the head'. I've always wondered why Poles and eastern Europeans never accept a lift if they are really drunk and we offer them a lift him. It's because they think we'll bash them.
It's a fascinating thing perspective and experience. To him the experience must have been so positive compared to his beliefs and expectations about the police. Yet people (I refuse to watch the video so am making an assumption as to the content) like him think we're the SS.
It's quite depressing to think people lack any form of perspective. I await a PHer missing the point and linking me to a news article showing a police officer being convicted for using too much force.
I wonder if this sort of thing is why my Polish housemate is convinced that all forms of government or public body are out to get him. k off and beat me in the head'. I've always wondered why Poles and eastern Europeans never accept a lift if they are really drunk and we offer them a lift him. It's because they think we'll bash them. It's a fascinating thing perspective and experience. To him the experience must have been so positive compared to his beliefs and expectations about the police. Yet people (I refuse to watch the video so am making an assumption as to the content) like him think we're the SS.
It's quite depressing to think people lack any form of perspective. I await a PHer missing the point and linking me to a news article showing a police officer being convicted for using too much force.
He thinks that a traffic warden put a parking ticket on his car for a picture, then intentionally took it off again so that he wouldn't get the option to pay the 'reduced' amount. His reasoning for this is that the traffic warden probably gets a bonus (which is kept secret) for doing this.
Likewise, he's convinced his appeal will fail because the tribunal will be paid by the council, and it will be impossible to track said payment because it will be secret.
La Liga said:
Mr2Mike said:
If young black men didn't commit so much crime then perhaps they wouldn't get stopped so much.
GhostDriver said:
You forgot to mention the Jews that eat babies and the gays that are all peados.
Oh your from Devon, they're all backwards there arent they? (you see what I did there?)
I think you missed the point. On the basis of pure statistics, Mike2Mike is sadly right. Young black males do commit a disproportionate amount of crime compared to other ethnic groups. Oh your from Devon, they're all backwards there arent they? (you see what I did there?)
lombardo8 said:
...' This young well behaved grime artiste with a university degree has about 10 videos of him getting stopped by the Met over a 1 year period and the coppers giving him all rubbish excuses when its so obvious he is getting stopped because he is a young black man in a very expensive car in a nicer part of town.
The post wasn't about arrests it was about stops. Much of which are unlawful regardless of the colour of the person picked on.Mike2Mike's post clearly states that young black men are stopped because they commit so much crime. He is wrong. They are often stopped merely because they 'look' like criminals to police officers and part of that 'look' is being black, although rarely solely.
La Liga said:
Either way, it is wholly unacceptable to stop and search anyone without reasonable, objective grounds for doing so. It is never acceptable to do so on the basis of what proportion of crime the same ethnic group as the subject's commit.
It is but that doesn't stop it happening, far too regularly. Not so much, 'bad eggs' but police officers using prejudices, probably developed through their experience of policing, that informs who they pick on. Hence the post above.Of course, acting on such prejudices can become a self-fulfilling prophecy which reinforces the prejudice.
Young black males do get stopped more often, because young black males do commit more crime than their white counterparts, big deal, everything about the statement is true, so what's the problem ?
My one and only black mate, who is now in his fifties like me, and we both grew up in Birmingham, always told me it wasn't being stopped, it wasn't being profiled, what really pissed him off and made him feel angry at that time in his life was how the police in the late 70's and early 80's often treated him, basically like a piece of st, something like that I'm guessing is less likely to happen now.
I'm often asked to remove my crash helmet before walking into banks, paying for petrol etc etc, but a veiled woman isn't asked to show her face (and the veil has fk all to do with any religeous crap .... no matter what they'll tell you)...... I'm guessing more people wearing crash helmets have commited crimes than veiled women have, I don't like it, but I guess it's true, so I have to comply.
As long as people are polite, what's the issue ?
My one and only black mate, who is now in his fifties like me, and we both grew up in Birmingham, always told me it wasn't being stopped, it wasn't being profiled, what really pissed him off and made him feel angry at that time in his life was how the police in the late 70's and early 80's often treated him, basically like a piece of s
t, something like that I'm guessing is less likely to happen now.I'm often asked to remove my crash helmet before walking into banks, paying for petrol etc etc, but a veiled woman isn't asked to show her face (and the veil has f
k all to do with any religeous crap .... no matter what they'll tell you)...... I'm guessing more people wearing crash helmets have commited crimes than veiled women have, I don't like it, but I guess it's true, so I have to comply.As long as people are polite, what's the issue ?
The bearded chap in that video is a of the highest order. I've seen him in other videos attempting to induce confrontation with officers, who instead usually disappoint him by reacting in a calm and rational manner. He also reels off Syria in a list of British military interventions which proves he is a tard.
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