New BMW's getting stolen using blank BMW keys
New BMW's getting stolen using blank BMW keys
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Billyray911

1,084 posts

230 months

Saturday 9th June 2012
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I've one fitted to my 335d.I don't know what issues there may be in the fitment to your M that are different to those of another BMW.
All I will say is it's a fairly invasive job and includes tapping into the canbus system.
I paid £350 fitted and the fitting took a good day in a workshop.There are outfits that will charge cheaper and state that they can do the job on your driveway or at work in a couple of hours!
I have serious issues with this type of installation and this may be why error codes have appeared on other cars.
Ive not had a single error code or issue.
Initially,I was going to pay a lot more and get the full Clifford system(I've had two on various cars).However,I was told by my installer that most of the features would have to be deactivated when fitted to a BMW with canbus(I can't be more specific,sorry!).
I'm an advocate of Blackjax-have been for years.It takes a bit of getting used to and expect phone calls from your dealership when they forget to disarm the system and it activates in the middle of the workshop!

Edited by Billyray911 on Saturday 9th June 20:49

t8cmf

342 posts

186 months

Saturday 9th June 2012
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Billyray911 said:
I've one fitted to my 335d.I don't know what issues there may be in the fitment to your M that are different to those of another BMW.
All I will say is it's a fairly invasive job and includes tapping into the canbus system.
I paid £350 fitted and the fitting took a good day in a workshop.There are outfits that will charge cheaper and state that they can do the job on your driveway or at work in a couple of hours!
I have serious issues with this type of installation and this may be why error codes have appeared on other cars.
Ive not had a single error code or issue.
Initially,I was going to pay a lot more and get the full Clifford system(I've had two on various cars).However,I was told by my installer that most of the features would have to be deactivated when fitted to a BMW with canbus(I can't be more specific,sorry!).
I'm an advocate of Blackjax-have been for years.It takes a bit of getting used to and expect phone calls from your dealership when they forget to disarm the system and it activates in the middle of the workshop!

Edited by Billyray911 on Saturday 9th June 20:49
That's great. Thanks for the feedback. I would imagine that my M3 and your 335d would mostly share the same electronic systems so I reckon it would work on mine. I think you are right that a shoddy install may well be the reason for any error codes generated.

Pugland53

574 posts

196 months

Saturday 9th June 2012
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Billyray911 said:
I've one fitted to my 335d.I don't know what issues there may be in the fitment to your M that are different to those of another BMW.
All I will say is it's a fairly invasive job and includes tapping into the canbus system.
I paid £350 fitted and the fitting took a good day in a workshop.There are outfits that will charge cheaper and state that they can do the job on your driveway or at work in a couple of hours!
I have serious issues with this type of installation and this may be why error codes have appeared on other cars.
Ive not had a single error code or issue.
Initially,I was going to pay a lot more and get the full Clifford system(I've had two on various cars).However,I was told by my installer that most of the features would have to be deactivated when fitted to a BMW with canbus(I can't be more specific,sorry!).
I'm an advocate of Blackjax-have been for years.It takes a bit of getting used to and expect phone calls from your dealership when they forget to disarm the system and it activates in the middle of the workshop!

Edited by Billyray911 on Saturday 9th June 20:49
I have had several Clifford alarms fitted over the years, the ones fitted in the workshop never gave me a problem, the one fitted on my drive gave me loads of problems, never again!

Billyray911

1,084 posts

230 months

Saturday 9th June 2012
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t8cmf said:
That's great. Thanks for the feedback. I would imagine that my M3 and your 335d would mostly share the same electronic systems so I reckon it would work on mine. I think you are right that a shoddy install may well be the reason for any error codes generated.
Glad to be of help-as Pugland says,it's a false economy-save a few pounds on the install and end up paying your dealership loads in rectifying the aftermath.
I forgot to mention that before I had it installed,I liaised with my local dealership-Sytner,regarding the blackjax and BMW possibly refusing to cover me and my warranty.
They raised no issues and said it would be fine.Ive since had various warranty work done without any problems at both Sytner and Rybrook and there have been no questions asked.

BE57 TOY

2,628 posts

173 months

Sunday 10th June 2012
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Billyray911 said:
Glad to be of help-as Pugland says,it's a false economy-save a few pounds on the install and end up paying your dealership loads in rectifying the aftermath.
I forgot to mention that before I had it installed,I liaised with my local dealership-Sytner,regarding the blackjax and BMW possibly refusing to cover me and my warranty.
They raised no issues and said it would be fine.Ive since had various warranty work done without any problems at both Sytner and Rybrook and there have been no questions asked.
Did the main dealer fit the alarm?

Billyray911

1,084 posts

230 months

Sunday 10th June 2012
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No,an independent alarm installer.They did consult with BMW and Clifford to get things 'right' though,as it wasnt straight forward because of the canbus system.

stuart-b

3,651 posts

252 months

Sunday 10th June 2012
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Billyray911 said:
No,an independent alarm installer.They did consult with BMW and Clifford to get things 'right' though,as it wasnt straight forward because of the canbus system.
Can you PM me your installer details please?

Billyray911

1,084 posts

230 months

Sunday 10th June 2012
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Its called Quicksilver.Here's a link for everyone.It contains info for
satnav shop.com-all the same business.Gill Keane is the owner:

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&am...

DpchMd

65 posts

168 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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Just picked up a new small Disklok for £75. Fits my E93 perfectly, feels rock solid and even looks quite nice.

Quick question, how difficult would it be to take the whole steering wheel off (with a disklok in place) and replace it with a spare?

Kinda makes the Disklok redundant if the theives are carrying around a spare steering wheel.

D_G

1,912 posts

235 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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DpchMd said:
Quick question, how difficult would it be to take the whole steering wheel off (with a disklok in place) and replace it with a spare?
Very!

DpchMd

65 posts

168 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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D_G said:
Very!
Good to know!

I've become so paranoid by everything I've heard/read that I'm even using the Disklok at home on my driveway, and I live in a nice area!

richtea78

5,574 posts

184 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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DpchMd said:
Good to know!

I've become so paranoid by everything I've heard/read that I'm even using the Disklok at home on my driveway, and I live in a nice area!
I doubt many new BMWs get stolen from st areas do they.

Cheib

25,241 posts

201 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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I saw a brand new Met Police X5 yesterday.....maybe the scum bags will start knocking them! Maybe BMW/Police might do something about it then......

Paddymcc

1,268 posts

217 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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Are the 2008+ X5 & X6s affected by this OBD port type theft?

va1o

16,105 posts

233 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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Paddymcc said:
Are the 2008+ X5 & X6s affected by this OBD port type theft?
It is likely they are, given the electric bits are broadly speaking common to all models. Unless X5 and X6s have their own unique type of key design?

lombardo8

105 posts

172 months

Wednesday 13th June 2012
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Paddymcc said:
Are the 2008+ X5 & X6s affected by this OBD port type theft?
Looks like

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4259194/...

Guvernator

14,364 posts

191 months

Wednesday 13th June 2012
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Why shoul we all be running around trying to solve this problem? Surely it is the responsibilty of the manufacturer ensure that someone can't just drive off with your car. This has now had national press coverage. It's time to put pressure on BMW to do something about this.

I'd suggest all writing to Watchdog. It can be done very quickly online in about 5 minutes using the link below.

Watchdog

If enough of us did it, we'd have a good chance of getting this complaint on national tv which would in all likelyhood force BMW to do something about it.

Steffan

10,362 posts

254 months

Wednesday 13th June 2012
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Guvernator said:
Why shoul we all be running around trying to solve this problem? Surely it is the responsibilty of the manufacturer ensure that someone can't just drive off with your car. This has now had national press coverage. It's time to put pressure on BMW to do something about this.

I'd suggest all writing to Watchdog. It can be done very quickly online in about 5 minutes using the link below.

Watchdog

If enough of us did it, we'd have a good chance of getting this complaint on national tv which would in all likelyhood force BMW to do something about it.
I have suggested just that four times on PH. It would appear, for whatever reason, that this has not happened. Still has to be the best way forward.

neilkav

Original Poster:

32 posts

171 months

Wednesday 13th June 2012
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Actually lots of people have already written in to Watchdog, going back as far as febuary. but no one has had a reply yet.

VERN UK

155 posts

170 months

Wednesday 13th June 2012
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neilkav said:
Actually lots of people have already written in to Watchdog, going back as far as febuary. but no one has had a reply yet.
They are only interested in plumbers, aerial fitters etc....... that overcharge......our cars are after all, insured anyhow banghead