It's June and I have had a radiator on.
Discussion
We have some of the most changeable weather in the world, that's why the rest of the world thinks we're fascinated with talking about it, which of course we are.
It's simply a case of perception; it's not THAT cold at the moment, 15c-ish during the day, a few c's colder at night on a bad day. MY central heating is never actually 'off' it's run with a thermostat, which hasn't needed to fire up the boiler for a few months now (I'm pretty cold blooded though, I can't recall my setting but it would probably be colder than most peoples). People have funny memories about the seasons and weather, I recall threads last Autumn talking about “when the snow comes” and such, even though to the best of my memory, I remember maybe 4 winters when snow amounted to more than a day or a couple of cm’s of snow, followed by maybe a day of slush. I hear the same thing in the office now, “bloody hell, what’s happened to summer this year” As far as I remember British Summers are mostly blowy, damp with occasional glorious days or weeks of Sunny weather.
To the climate change deniers as people have mentioned, the Gulf Stream, it has more of an effect on our climate that almost any other factor aside from the seasons themselves. We share the 52nd parallel north with parts of Alaska, Northern Canada and Russia, without it, it would be much colder. Whether you choose to accept climate change is a man-made thing or now, it is a fact that it is changing and the gulf stream in recent years hasn't come as far north, and when it does, it doesn't always stay there. That's why our 'summer' comes in fits and starts and doesn't always peak and falls like most places in the world.
P-Jay said:
To the climate change deniers as people have mentioned, the Gulf Stream, it has more of an effect on our climate that almost any other factor aside from the seasons themselves. We share the 52nd parallel north with parts of Alaska, Northern Canada and Russia, without it, it would be much colder. Whether you choose to accept climate change is a man-made thing or now, it is a fact that it is changing and the gulf stream in recent years hasn't come as far north, and when it does, it doesn't always stay there. That's why our 'summer' comes in fits and starts and doesn't always peak and falls like most places in the world.
Maybe, you should read this?http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/res/div/ocp/gs/
article said:
The Gulf Stream-European climate myth
The panic is based on a long held belief of the British, other Europeans, Americans and, indeed, much of the world's population that the northward heat transport by the Gulf Stream is the reason why western Europe enjoys a mild climate, much milder than, say, that of eastern North America. This idea was actually originated by an American military man, Matthew Fontaine Maury, in the mid nineteenth century and has stuck since despite the absence of proof.
We now know this is a myth, the climatological equivalent of an urban legend. In a detailed study published in the Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society in 2002, we demonstrated the limited role that ocean heat transport plays in determining regional climates around the Atlantic Ocean.
ETA: I like the end.The panic is based on a long held belief of the British, other Europeans, Americans and, indeed, much of the world's population that the northward heat transport by the Gulf Stream is the reason why western Europe enjoys a mild climate, much milder than, say, that of eastern North America. This idea was actually originated by an American military man, Matthew Fontaine Maury, in the mid nineteenth century and has stuck since despite the absence of proof.
We now know this is a myth, the climatological equivalent of an urban legend. In a detailed study published in the Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society in 2002, we demonstrated the limited role that ocean heat transport plays in determining regional climates around the Atlantic Ocean.
End of article said:
Moving beyond the myth
It is long time that the Gulf Stream-European climate myth was resigned to the graveyard of defunct misconceptions along with the Earth being flat and the sun going around the Earth.
It is long time that the Gulf Stream-European climate myth was resigned to the graveyard of defunct misconceptions along with the Earth being flat and the sun going around the Earth.
Edited by Blib on Tuesday 12th June 15:01
I was working at the Isle of Wight Festival last year and managed to get bad sunburn even though it was cold whilst I was sleeping between shifts on my platform. That was the Saturday and when night came the paramedics stationed by me had to lend me clothes to keep me warm. I already had most of my winter gear on.
On the Sunday the rain came in sideways for over 12 hours. All our expensive waterproofs gave up after around 8 hours.
That was also June, I believe.
On the Sunday the rain came in sideways for over 12 hours. All our expensive waterproofs gave up after around 8 hours.
That was also June, I believe.
Blib said:
P-Jay said:
To the climate change deniers as people have mentioned, the Gulf Stream, it has more of an effect on our climate that almost any other factor aside from the seasons themselves. We share the 52nd parallel north with parts of Alaska, Northern Canada and Russia, without it, it would be much colder. Whether you choose to accept climate change is a man-made thing or now, it is a fact that it is changing and the gulf stream in recent years hasn't come as far north, and when it does, it doesn't always stay there. That's why our 'summer' comes in fits and starts and doesn't always peak and falls like most places in the world.
Maybe, you should read this?http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/res/div/ocp/gs/
article said:
The Gulf Stream-European climate myth
The panic is based on a long held belief of the British, other Europeans, Americans and, indeed, much of the world's population that the northward heat transport by the Gulf Stream is the reason why western Europe enjoys a mild climate, much milder than, say, that of eastern North America. This idea was actually originated by an American military man, Matthew Fontaine Maury, in the mid nineteenth century and has stuck since despite the absence of proof.
We now know this is a myth, the climatological equivalent of an urban legend. In a detailed study published in the Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society in 2002, we demonstrated the limited role that ocean heat transport plays in determining regional climates around the Atlantic Ocean.
The panic is based on a long held belief of the British, other Europeans, Americans and, indeed, much of the world's population that the northward heat transport by the Gulf Stream is the reason why western Europe enjoys a mild climate, much milder than, say, that of eastern North America. This idea was actually originated by an American military man, Matthew Fontaine Maury, in the mid nineteenth century and has stuck since despite the absence of proof.
We now know this is a myth, the climatological equivalent of an urban legend. In a detailed study published in the Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society in 2002, we demonstrated the limited role that ocean heat transport plays in determining regional climates around the Atlantic Ocean.
I struggle to agree with it. Firstly in real man-on-the-street terms. When the Met office shows a gulf stream nice and far north and we have lovely warm weather like we had a few weeks ago, they show the opposite as we have now and we've got cooler windier weather.
Secondly most reliable sources agree that the Gulf Stream does have a meaningful effect on local climate.
P-Jay said:
I've read that theory before I think.
I struggle to agree with it. Firstly in real man-on-the-street terms. When the Met office shows a gulf stream nice and far north and we have lovely warm weather like we had a few weeks ago, they show the opposite as we have now and we've got cooler windier weather.
Secondly most reliable sources agree that the Gulf Stream does have a meaningful effect on local climate.
Typical Warmist. Struggles with the facts.I struggle to agree with it. Firstly in real man-on-the-street terms. When the Met office shows a gulf stream nice and far north and we have lovely warm weather like we had a few weeks ago, they show the opposite as we have now and we've got cooler windier weather.
Secondly most reliable sources agree that the Gulf Stream does have a meaningful effect on local climate.
Cotty said:
Just as I was switching on the heating I heard an ice cream van outside. Now one of us is wrong.
Ha, bloody hell I thought you might live in my close there for a minute!I too have just heard and watched an Ice Cream van drive into my road, chiming away - as my central heating is busy giving it large!
If we didn't have our weather, we'd have nothing else to talk about.
What about all that flooding today too? Nightmare!
As far as I'm aware, we still have a hosepipe ban in Hants.
A bit bloody stupid really, as I was tempted to use the hosepipe to siphon the lake that has formed in my my paddock into the stream. Unfortunately, this appears to be impossible, due to:
A) the stream is swollen and about to burst its banks for the first time in 6 years due to the massive and continuous rainfall we have had here for nearly the past 14 days
B) I can't use my hosepipe due to the drought
A bit bloody stupid really, as I was tempted to use the hosepipe to siphon the lake that has formed in my my paddock into the stream. Unfortunately, this appears to be impossible, due to:
A) the stream is swollen and about to burst its banks for the first time in 6 years due to the massive and continuous rainfall we have had here for nearly the past 14 days
B) I can't use my hosepipe due to the drought
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