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Grommit

857 posts

191 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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If dropping from 3 feet when empty is enough to render a helmet useless then it's not going to offer you much protection when you smack your head off something at high speed then is it?

creampuff

6,511 posts

169 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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As an engineer, infact an engineer that specialises in stress analysing things, I would say that your helmet should continue to offer the same level of protection after the drop.

The helmet provides impact protection via its EPS foam. When the foam compresses, it absorbs energy. With no head inside the helmet during a drop, there is nothing to make the foam compress. As for the shell, I find it hard to believe that there could be cracks serious enough that your helmet is going to desintergrate.

Having said that, I dropped my helmet recently and I used it as an excuse to get a new one.

Turn7

25,471 posts

247 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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final_edition said:
I don't think Phoenix are Arai agents anymore.
Really ?

Hooli

32,278 posts

226 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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Grommit said:
If dropping from 3 feet when empty is enough to render a helmet useless then it's not going to offer you much protection when you smack your head off something at high speed then is it?
Exactly my thoughts.

mr wiki

373 posts

232 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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Why are people buying £500 quid helmets, then sticking them in stupid places?

jhoneyball

1,795 posts

302 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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Timbuk2 said:
But Ride lobbed helmets out of a first floor window onto a concrete floor then took them apart to assess the damage, and there was none in any of them.
Who assessed them and how?

Apriliaer

848 posts

184 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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Seen the Arai bloke at Silverstone inspecting and sticking bits on crashed helmets at the Ron Haslam school.

Apriliaer

848 posts

184 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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creampuff said:
As an engineer, infact an engineer that specialises in stress analysing things, I would say that your helmet should continue to offer the same level of protection after the drop.

The helmet provides impact protection via its EPS foam. When the foam compresses, it absorbs energy. With no head inside the helmet during a drop, there is nothing to make the foam compress. As for the shell, I find it hard to believe that there could be cracks serious enough that your helmet is going to desintergrate.

Having said that, I dropped my helmet recently and I used it as an excuse to get a new one.
What about if the outer shell deflects and crushed the EPS in that area. Would that not make the EPS layer thinner and that area of the shell weaker; thus creating an area that 'absorbs' the energy less effectively?

Timbuk2

1,955 posts

181 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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jhoneyball said:
Who assessed them and how?
I don't know sorry, those were Kevin Ash's words from that link in the same post.

creampuff

6,511 posts

169 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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Apriliaer said:
What about if the outer shell deflects and crushed the EPS in that area. Would that not make the EPS layer thinner and that area of the shell weaker; thus creating an area that 'absorbs' the energy less effectively?
AFAIK there is a gap between the shell and the EPS foam. Also I don't believe the shell will deflect more than a millimetre or so when you drop it.

Wedg1e

27,023 posts

291 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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I've said it before on these threads and I'll keep on saying it: my mate wore an expensive brand of helmet often raved-over on here. He nutted a lamp-post at moderate pace, broke his neck and was dead a few minutes later. No helmet on the planet whether cheap, expensive, scratched, chipped or otherwise, was going to save him.
So make your own choice. Spend the money if you think it's likely to make any difference. If it does you won't know, because you won't have been wearing a different helmet. If it doesn't you still won't know, because you'll be riding a cloud.
Paranoia: it's a wonderful tool for marketing men wink

Prof Prolapse

16,163 posts

216 months

Monday 18th June 2012
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Wedg1e said:
Paranoia: it's a wonderful tool for marketing men wink
Helmets aside, it has amazed me the elitism in motorcycling gear. As if one brand is superior to another based only on cost, looks and anecdotes. Especially when it comes to leathers.

"A thousand pound Dianese single piece is the best you say?"
"Yes sir, my mate crashed and he survived so its the best and most expensive we sell. How much is your skin worth?"

"Presumably it's tested independently to a specific standard then?"
"No".
"Designated as safety clothing and CE marked as such?"
"No."
"Built to a specific set of safety guidelines?"
"No."
"It's a fashion accessory then isn't it?"
"Yes."
"I'll take the RST one thanks".




toxgobbler

2,903 posts

217 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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Best bit of marketing I ever saw was Shinji Nakano sliding across the tarmac at 200mph on his head (in an Arai) and getting up.

moanthebairns

18,845 posts

224 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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SO, what have we learnt?

Dont take your helmet off when buying fuel!

fk the petrol station staff!

The Moose

23,590 posts

235 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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Interesting.

Is it an ultra sound that they do to look for these internal micro cracks etc?

The Moose

23,590 posts

235 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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moanthebairns said:
fk the petrol station staff!
I doubt they'd appreciate that...although, if they're hot scratchchin

moanthebairns

18,845 posts

224 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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The Moose said:
moanthebairns said:
fk the petrol station staff!
I doubt they'd appreciate that...although, if they're hot scratchchin
note to self, write a script for a porno movie set in a petrol station.

some how work the following lines into the script...

fill her up,
which pump did you use?
stick that on my loyalty card,
ive had a bit of a spillage,
can you please take your helmet off? cant you take it off for me hen!
enter your chip and pin into here big boy!

otherman

2,265 posts

191 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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Chipchap said:
1 drop = scrap.
Aha, the helmet manufacturers advice was quick out there. Many moons ago a friend and I set about trying to break a helmet he was discarding anyway. With a sledge hammer. It took loads of blows (I used to know how many but memory fails to serve up the number), so I doubt a simple drop could do significant damage.

off_again

13,917 posts

260 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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Following on from previous post:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LfEFhBelTY&fea...

Unscientific and certainly unclear as to what is actually being tested here. But it shows that some helmets are crap and most likely to break or be damaged. Other ones which comply with relevant international standards are a little more sturdy and should cope with some simple day-to-day knocks.

final_edition

653 posts

241 months

Wednesday 20th June 2012
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Turn7 said:
final_edition said:
I don't think Phoenix are Arai agents anymore.
Really ?
http://www.biker247.com/News/11053.asp