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Not good news at all...first Hatton Promotions, now this:
http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2012/06/maloney-and...
Both stables have some great British prospects including Price, Martin Murray, Scott Quigg, etc. I know Maloney wasn't in it for the long run but unless another TV company steps into the void, there's a lot of action we could be missing out on...
http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2012/06/maloney-and...
Both stables have some great British prospects including Price, Martin Murray, Scott Quigg, etc. I know Maloney wasn't in it for the long run but unless another TV company steps into the void, there's a lot of action we could be missing out on...
Just found out that Ricky Burns will defend his WBO Lightweight title against Kevin Mitchell on the undercard of the Haye-Chisora show.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/19245-ricky-burns-kevin...
Can this really have just been announced or did I miss it?! Either way, I'm bl
dy delighted - I got a ticket a few weeks ago on the strength of the headline fight alone (though I was hoping Groves would also be on the show) so this is a real bonus...!!!
(First I heard of the Rees-Mathews rematch as well...another one to look forward to!).
http://www.saddoboxing.com/19245-ricky-burns-kevin...
Can this really have just been announced or did I miss it?! Either way, I'm bl
dy delighted - I got a ticket a few weeks ago on the strength of the headline fight alone (though I was hoping Groves would also be on the show) so this is a real bonus...!!!(First I heard of the Rees-Mathews rematch as well...another one to look forward to!).
As an aside, an interesting list of the best heavyweight chins. Surprised there's no place for Marciano (only knocked down twice in 49 fights) or any of the old-time fighters, but these things are always debatable:
http://www.livefight.com/news.php?news_id=1971&...
http://www.livefight.com/news.php?news_id=1971&...
Edited by Yiliterate on Monday 25th June 17:58
Yiliterate said:
As an aside, an interesting list of the best heavyweight chins. Surprised there's no place for Marciano (only knocked down twice in 49 fights) or any of the old-time fighters, but these things are always debatable:
http://www.livefight.com/news.php?news_id=1971&...
YEAH,MARCIANO SHOULD DEFO BE IN THERE.what about tom cribb?? his durability was legendary from all the stories i've read + some actual accounts from pierce egan's writingshttp://www.livefight.com/news.php?news_id=1971&...
Edited by Yiliterate on Monday 25th June 17:58
Lost_BMW said:
Did anyone see the Ortiz-Lopez and Matthysse-Soto fights on Sunday morning?
Won't give the game away in case anyone has recorded it but a bill well worth watching!
both good fights!! i think that ortiz is too quick to anger, too easy to hit. i think canelo does both of these guys on the same nightWon't give the game away in case anyone has recorded it but a bill well worth watching!
tuscaneer said:
YEAH,MARCIANO SHOULD DEFO BE IN THERE.what about tom cribb?? his durability was legendary from all the stories i've read + some actual accounts from pierce egan's writings
Did you see the documentary about him on ESPN last week?Way smaller than today's heavyweights but what punch technique! One of my all time favourites. The Walcott and Archie Moore fights were absolute classics.
tuscaneer said:
Lost_BMW said:
Did anyone see the Ortiz-Lopez and Matthysse-Soto fights on Sunday morning?
Won't give the game away in case anyone has recorded it but a bill well worth watching!
both good fights!! i think that ortiz is too quick to anger, too easy to hit. i think canelo does both of these guys on the same nightWon't give the game away in case anyone has recorded it but a bill well worth watching!
Canelo at ringside looked like he was laughing his head off, in between licking his lips! I don't imagine he'll be losing any sleep over the prospect(s).
Lost_BMW said:
devonshiredave said:
Hi PH,
I've just got into boxing and wanted to ask for some help/tips etc - is this thread the right place to do it or shall i start a new one?
Cheers
I reckon this would be as good a place as any given how many serious fans/practitioners post here.I've just got into boxing and wanted to ask for some help/tips etc - is this thread the right place to do it or shall i start a new one?
Cheers
I have what are probably incredibly naive questions... Here goes.
Stance: ive got myself a heavybag, gloves, wraps etc and have been 'practising' in my garden, getting used to some movements, range etc. What i cant yet determine is which stance i should use.
I am right handed and that is definitely my dominant side for everything. This puts me into the orthodox stance - leading with left. However i feel way more comfortable using southpaw and leading with my right. Perhaps even stranger i could see as my general skills get better i wouldnt be adverse to being able to use either.
My reason for prefering southpaw: left hand is the weaker and feels like currently having little effect, although i know this will change with time and practise. Reach: ive got quite long arms, currently if i throw left straight, right hook i end up all kinds of f
ked up with balance off, sloppy guard etc as i try to move forward and it feels like this cause me to lose momentum/power as i try to make use of my good side. Generally: im so much more co-ordinated with my right that if i was to do pretty much anything it would be with the right hand.Are these issues just down to my current abilities with left hand that i will overcome with time or more fundamentally is ok to box the wrong way round?
If anyone cares to answer ill post up my next question a little later or tomorrow.
Cheers
Just briefly read your post - there will be longer answers to come, but one quick point to start; there have been a few fighters over the years who have led with their stronger side. One of the most prominent was the great Henry Cooper (RIP), who was left handed but fought out of the orthodox stance, which he felt allowed him to make the most of his superb left hook ('Enery's 'Ammer) - the shot that put Clay on his backside in 1963. In short, you're not alone...!
devonshiredave said:
Thanks reply.
I have what are probably incredibly naive questions... Here goes.
Stance: ive got myself a heavybag, gloves, wraps etc and have been 'practising' in my garden, getting used to some movements, range etc. What i cant yet determine is which stance i should use.
I am right handed and that is definitely my dominant side for everything. This puts me into the orthodox stance - leading with left. However i feel way more comfortable using southpaw and leading with my right. Perhaps even stranger i could see as my general skills get better i wouldnt be adverse to being able to use either.
My reason for prefering southpaw: left hand is the weaker and feels like currently having little effect, although i know this will change with time and practise. Reach: ive got quite long arms, currently if i throw left straight, right hook i end up all kinds of fked up with balance off, sloppy guard etc as i try to move forward and it feels like this cause me to lose momentum/power as i try to make use of my good side. Generally: im so much more co-ordinated with my right that if i was to do pretty much anything it would be with the right hand.
Are these issues just down to my current abilities with left hand that i will overcome with time or more fundamentally is ok to box the wrong way round?
If anyone cares to answer ill post up my next question a little later or tomorrow.
Cheers
Regarding the stance thing, I would say it sounds like you need to have a few private sessions with a decent boxing trainer. I have what are probably incredibly naive questions... Here goes.
Stance: ive got myself a heavybag, gloves, wraps etc and have been 'practising' in my garden, getting used to some movements, range etc. What i cant yet determine is which stance i should use.
I am right handed and that is definitely my dominant side for everything. This puts me into the orthodox stance - leading with left. However i feel way more comfortable using southpaw and leading with my right. Perhaps even stranger i could see as my general skills get better i wouldnt be adverse to being able to use either.
My reason for prefering southpaw: left hand is the weaker and feels like currently having little effect, although i know this will change with time and practise. Reach: ive got quite long arms, currently if i throw left straight, right hook i end up all kinds of f
ked up with balance off, sloppy guard etc as i try to move forward and it feels like this cause me to lose momentum/power as i try to make use of my good side. Generally: im so much more co-ordinated with my right that if i was to do pretty much anything it would be with the right hand.Are these issues just down to my current abilities with left hand that i will overcome with time or more fundamentally is ok to box the wrong way round?
If anyone cares to answer ill post up my next question a little later or tomorrow.
Cheers
Right handed southpaws do exist, so its not something I would instantly dismiss although it sounds unlikely that it is right for you.
A decent trainer wil be able to help with what suits you best, although a lot will just want you get some of the basics right then worry about what suits you once you are reasonably proficient in an orthodox stance.
One other thing to consider you have not mentioned is your feet There is quite limited footwork for you to practice on a bag, especially if the bag is against the wall. Once you start moving around a bit more, you might find one more comfortable based on footwork.
Stance wise if you aren't aiming to compete or turn pro and are just boxing for enjoyment or fitness I'd stick with what you feel most comfortable with and enjoy most.
As posted above a trainer should be able to help you out but one thing I'd try is to spend time in a session deliberately working on one shot at a time, being really methodical and working on nailing the technique - initial foot position and turn, the amount of leg bend and rise and flexion, use of the knees, the bodyweight shift, the sequence of power transference from floor through legs to torso etc. until it becomes second nature and doesn't need to be thought through consciously. A trainer would drill the right approach into you which you could then practise on your bag. Failing that good video tutorials like the Freddie Roach series might help.
Even after more than half my life of training I still regularly do rounds or part-rounds of just one punch or combination trying to make sure the technique is spot on and recommend something like 30 secs to a minute of doing a movement slowly, under full control and working on getting it all "put together" and then the next 30 seconds either full out, adding power to the move or gradually building up until the same movement is being done as hard as you can. That could bring you on and help overcome the weaknesses. I'm right handed but can fight from either stance after years of deliberate switching during training and have managed to bring my left on to the point it feels as good as or better than the right which I'd always fought from, as a right handed southpaw.
As posted above a trainer should be able to help you out but one thing I'd try is to spend time in a session deliberately working on one shot at a time, being really methodical and working on nailing the technique - initial foot position and turn, the amount of leg bend and rise and flexion, use of the knees, the bodyweight shift, the sequence of power transference from floor through legs to torso etc. until it becomes second nature and doesn't need to be thought through consciously. A trainer would drill the right approach into you which you could then practise on your bag. Failing that good video tutorials like the Freddie Roach series might help.
Even after more than half my life of training I still regularly do rounds or part-rounds of just one punch or combination trying to make sure the technique is spot on and recommend something like 30 secs to a minute of doing a movement slowly, under full control and working on getting it all "put together" and then the next 30 seconds either full out, adding power to the move or gradually building up until the same movement is being done as hard as you can. That could bring you on and help overcome the weaknesses. I'm right handed but can fight from either stance after years of deliberate switching during training and have managed to bring my left on to the point it feels as good as or better than the right which I'd always fought from, as a right handed southpaw.
If you cannot get to a gym/trainer a mirror was always a great thing for honing your style, nowadays if i were training I would film myself through training & compare over time.
The main thing is to relax & enjoy it, never try a stance/style that feels awkward to you. You really ought to go to a gym or at the very least attend a regular circuit training class
The main thing is to relax & enjoy it, never try a stance/style that feels awkward to you. You really ought to go to a gym or at the very least attend a regular circuit training class
An interesting link, re. punchers/punch power in boxing.
http://www.maxboxing.com/news/main-lead/game-chang...
http://www.maxboxing.com/news/main-lead/game-chang...
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