Mitt Romney - fool, idiot, misunderstood or other?
Discussion
stevejh said:
John McCain had to go to great lengths to prove he was eligible to be President because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone whereas the media let Obama off the hook despite the fact that his father was Kenyan and there seemed to be only circumstantial evidence that Obama was actually born in Hawaii. Why did it take so long for his birth certificate to be released if there was nothing to hide?
Obama's book proposal claimed he was born in Kenya for over 16 years without being corrected, which would make him ineligible to be president.
In the 2008 election John McCain released thousand pages of medical records (possibly a worry in itself), Obama has only released one summary page.
Obama seems to have had very close contacts with some rather reactionary people (Bill Ayers for example) which I appreciate would be more of a concern to a mostly right leaning US electorate than it would to us over here but the media still seems to be going out of it's way to avoid asking too many questions about this.
As I understand it Romney is only required to release two years of tax returns which he has done. Why should he release any more when the only reason for doing so would be to give the Democrats more ammunition to use against him. If he has done anything wrong then it's up to them to prove his guilt and surely, if there really is evidence that he has illegally not paid tax then the IRS would get involved.
There's more but the point is that Obama has a past that he is not being entirely up front about. If he has nothing to hide then why is he so reluctant for his past to be examined.
Obama published his full long form birth certificate. Only the truly bonkers like Trump still question where he was born. He has hidden nothing.Obama's book proposal claimed he was born in Kenya for over 16 years without being corrected, which would make him ineligible to be president.
In the 2008 election John McCain released thousand pages of medical records (possibly a worry in itself), Obama has only released one summary page.
Obama seems to have had very close contacts with some rather reactionary people (Bill Ayers for example) which I appreciate would be more of a concern to a mostly right leaning US electorate than it would to us over here but the media still seems to be going out of it's way to avoid asking too many questions about this.
As I understand it Romney is only required to release two years of tax returns which he has done. Why should he release any more when the only reason for doing so would be to give the Democrats more ammunition to use against him. If he has done anything wrong then it's up to them to prove his guilt and surely, if there really is evidence that he has illegally not paid tax then the IRS would get involved.
There's more but the point is that Obama has a past that he is not being entirely up front about. If he has nothing to hide then why is he so reluctant for his past to be examined.
McCain released medical records because he was a 72 year old cancer survivor and he needed to reassure the electorate that he wasn't going to die in office, something that became even more pressing after he rejected Romney and chose a whack job as his running mate.
Every other presidential candidate in recent times has made full disclosure of tax returns, a tradition started by Romney's own father who rightly stated that "One year could be a fluke, perhaps done for show, and what mattered in personal finance was how a man conducted himself over the long haul."
Bill Ayres? Are you serious?
Jimbeaux said:
BenM77 said:
Interesting thread, reading up on 'fast and furious' now and it is quite shocking to say the least.
Are you 100% serious that you lot have heard nothing about that scandal????? If so, then my point has been made.Jimbeaux said:
Marf said:
Seems like a bit of a storm in a teacup really, bit like Romney's "gaffes".
It is; however, if a quip about the Olympics that the Brits themselves said was true pissed them off, what should tossing Winston in the closet do?Stedman said:
Jimbeaux said:
BenM77 said:
Interesting thread, reading up on 'fast and furious' now and it is quite shocking to say the least.
Are you 100% serious that you lot have heard nothing about that scandal????? If so, then my point has been made.The wikpedia page about the ATF and Fast and Furious - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scanda... says the Gunwalking started in 2006 and carried on until 2011. When did Obama take office? This took place under both Bush and Obama.
unrepentant said:
Jimbeaux said:
Yes. Go back, before you arrived on PH IIRC, and see me asking for people to give Obama a chance, etc.
I have been sparring with you since before the last election and I don't remember you ever having a good word for Obama. You'll need to put up some links. 
rohrl said:
The wikpedia page about the ATF and Fast and Furious - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scanda... says the Gunwalking started in 2006 and carried on until 2011. When did Obama take office? This took place under both Bush and Obama.
You need to look deeper. Jimbeaux said:
How do you feel about him sending Winston's bust back to the UK embassay the day he took office?
Another red herring.http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/is-th...
unrepentant said:
Jimbeaux said:
How do you feel about him sending Winston's bust back to the UK embassay the day he took office?
Another red herring.http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/is-th...
I will leave this to others. Nah, we go back too far; here you go:http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/white...
Jimbeaux said:
unrepentant said:
Jimbeaux said:
Yes. Go back, before you arrived on PH IIRC, and see me asking for people to give Obama a chance, etc.
I have been sparring with you since before the last election and I don't remember you ever having a good word for Obama. You'll need to put up some links. 
You're so FOS it's funny.
unrepentant said:
Jimbeaux said:
unrepentant said:
Jimbeaux said:
Yes. Go back, before you arrived on PH IIRC, and see me asking for people to give Obama a chance, etc.
I have been sparring with you since before the last election and I don't remember you ever having a good word for Obama. You'll need to put up some links. You're so FOS it's funny.
rohrl said:
Jimbeaux said:
You need to look deeper.
Why, was someone other than Bush in the White House in 2006?Winking smilies do not comprise an argument. If you want to say sopmething or explain what you mean you need to type it.
It’s funny; I never read/heard much criticism of Obama before, during or after his election victory. Is Obama really that good and saintly that the only places you can read any type of criticism is the right wing media? The left seem to worship him as some kind of second coming, and as such, beyond any criticism of any kind whatsoever – and the nasty Tea Party want to lynch him while wearing their favourite KKK outfits (Not really, but you get the gist…)
Did you hear the one about Obama? No, nor me – imagine the Twitter backlash if one of these ‘edgy’ leftie comedians dared such a thing.
Did you hear the one about Obama? No, nor me – imagine the Twitter backlash if one of these ‘edgy’ leftie comedians dared such a thing.
I, probably like most people in the UK, had always thought of US politics as being pretty bland with the Democrats and the Republicans being two slightly different flavours of vanilla. It was only about a year ago when I followed a link from one of the blogs I read that took me to a US website that had some of these questions about Obama and from then on my interest in US politics has grown.
It is pretty obvious (although I suspect not to the people who think that the BBC is impartial) that most of the alphabet channels in the States, ABC, CNN, MSNBC (in particular) are very pro Obama and constantly cover his back. Some of the panels they have in their news coverage are so partisan it's almost laughable. It's like having Polly Toynbee, Will Hutton, Owen Jones and Derek Draper round a table on Newsnight and asking them for a balanced opinion on the Coalition (I don't think even the Beeb would do that).
You only have to look at the Trayvon Martin case to realise that 'they do things differently over there'. The trial by media of George Zimmerman, and Obama's facile comment that if he had a son he would be like Trayvon, was quite frightening for anyone who believes in someone's innocence until proven guilty. Strangely, now that the evidence is stacking up that Trayvon was the aggressor, Obama has gone quiet.
There are plenty of questions about Obama's past which remain unanswered and plenty of his 'gaffes' that have been ignored or glossed over. I'm sure the truth will come out one day, possibly once he's no longer president (so next year perhaps) and I for one will be intrigued to hear it.
It is pretty obvious (although I suspect not to the people who think that the BBC is impartial) that most of the alphabet channels in the States, ABC, CNN, MSNBC (in particular) are very pro Obama and constantly cover his back. Some of the panels they have in their news coverage are so partisan it's almost laughable. It's like having Polly Toynbee, Will Hutton, Owen Jones and Derek Draper round a table on Newsnight and asking them for a balanced opinion on the Coalition (I don't think even the Beeb would do that).
You only have to look at the Trayvon Martin case to realise that 'they do things differently over there'. The trial by media of George Zimmerman, and Obama's facile comment that if he had a son he would be like Trayvon, was quite frightening for anyone who believes in someone's innocence until proven guilty. Strangely, now that the evidence is stacking up that Trayvon was the aggressor, Obama has gone quiet.
There are plenty of questions about Obama's past which remain unanswered and plenty of his 'gaffes' that have been ignored or glossed over. I'm sure the truth will come out one day, possibly once he's no longer president (so next year perhaps) and I for one will be intrigued to hear it.
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