fastest sub 1400cc turbo diesel
fastest sub 1400cc turbo diesel
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CraigyMc

18,352 posts

262 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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AntiguaBill said:
CraigyMc said:
Oddly, a 206 HDi 110 (1.6 turbodiesel) apparently did 0-60 in 9.1s.

The fastest 1.4 turbodiesel I have found so far doesn't crack 10s to 60mph, it's a 2006 Toyota Corolla D-4D 125, at 10.4s.

C
Pretty sure the 1.4d corolla was 13.3 according to honest john. The 1.6 petrol wad 10.2. Even the 2.0d corolla was 10.6. Getting under 10s is a tall order for modern diesel cars
My data's from carfolio. If it's wrong, let Zak know (he runs carfolio)
http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/...

125bhp doesn't sound far off 10s to 60mph, to be honest.

C

RizzoTheRat

28,508 posts

218 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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KM666 said:
I was told a story about there having been a diesel motorbike available once.
There's quite a few, Track quote 3.75s 0-60 for the T800CDI

Edited by RizzoTheRat on Wednesday 17th April 12:08

y2blade

56,288 posts

241 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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I would yes :

Bear Phils

891 posts

162 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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CraigyMc said:
My data's from carfolio. If it's wrong, let Zak know (he runs carfolio)
http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/...

125bhp doesn't sound far off 10s to 60mph, to be honest.

C
It claims 10.4 further down the page.

An MG ZR 1.4 will do it 10 dead according to parkers if petrols an option. Which it should be wink

CraigyMc

18,352 posts

262 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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Bear Phils said:
It claims 10.4 further down the page.
That's what I said, further up this page.
CraigyMc said:
The fastest 1.4 turbodiesel I have found so far doesn't crack 10s to 60mph, it's a 2006 Toyota Corolla D-4D 125, at 10.4s.

RizzoTheRat

28,508 posts

218 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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y2blade said:
I would yes :
Me too, that's one of the early development bikes I think, the production ones had a bit more side faring and a slightly more finished look. Silly money though and a quick look on thier website says they're not taking any more orders as of May.

Bear Phils

891 posts

162 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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CraigyMc said:
Bear Phils said:
It claims 10.4 further down the page.
That's what I said, further up this page.
CraigyMc said:
The fastest 1.4 turbodiesel I have found so far doesn't crack 10s to 60mph, it's a 2006 Toyota Corolla D-4D 125, at 10.4s.
Woops, sorry, the '125bhp doesn't sounds far off' comment threw me a little.

CraigyMc

18,352 posts

262 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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Bear Phils said:
CraigyMc said:
Bear Phils said:
It claims 10.4 further down the page.
That's what I said, further up this page.
CraigyMc said:
The fastest 1.4 turbodiesel I have found so far doesn't crack 10s to 60mph, it's a 2006 Toyota Corolla D-4D 125, at 10.4s.
Woops, sorry, the '125bhp doesn't sounds far off' comment threw me a little.
The model name of the car has "125" in it, and carfolio has it with 125bhp. A car like that with 125bhp doesn't sound far off 10s to me - that's all I was saying.

If it's wrong in carfolio, it's most likely the engine size that's wrong rather than the power or performance.

C

AntiguaBill

321 posts

244 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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Fair enough,thr figures I saw was a 90hp 1.4d. And 140hp 2.0d. On honest john as stated. Didnt know they did a 125hp 1.4d. Cool. My friend had the 90 and his wife had the 140 at the same time, a few years back.

Shoestringracer

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2,109 posts

225 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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HustleRussell said:
What's the project, Shoestringracer? Category-based motorsport? Speed record?
Well spotted. Might fit a class structure well. Still thinking...

valverguy

440 posts

201 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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corsa 1.3 90 cdti 90 bhp ( currently own one as a daily)

They crack 60 in around 10.5 real world with me as the only person in it. I hear they chip to 110-120hp and likely crack 10 seconds, with some more work i bet they can do sub 9's 6 speed box is nice too.

Dan Friel

4,181 posts

304 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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Shoestringracer said:
HustleRussell said:
What's the project, Shoestringracer? Category-based motorsport? Speed record?
Well spotted. Might fit a class structure well. Still thinking...
Find a series where a 2l diesel turbo is equal to a 1.4 petrol?? What are you looking at for it being bog standard??

Chap called Matt Searle runs a diesel lupo on hillclimbs in the south west. It's modified and he's pretty committed..

Shoestringracer

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2,109 posts

225 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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Hi Dan,

Its a long story but I'm fed-up with my mk1 Golf never being right and was therefore thinking of entering a different car for a couple of events. I remembered, from somewhere, i thought, that the forced induction equivalence was 1.4 as was the diesel equivalence the other way, and that therefore a 1.4 turbo diesel would be in a class with the 1.4 n/a petrols. The records seem to be set by a Peugeot 106 which, assuming it is a 1.3 Rallye has a 100bhp and 0-60 of around 10 seconds. Given that some 1.4 diesels now make over 100bhp and tons of torque, I thought one might do well in the up to 1400 standard class, or chipped and in the 1400 road going.

However, now I look at the rules I can't see any mention of a diesel equivalence so a 1.4 diesel would be in with 2 litre n/a petrols and their 200bhp +.


Time to think again


Chris

HustleRussell

26,329 posts

186 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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Bummer. I can't imagine the iron block under the bonnet would've done much to liven up the handling anyway...

Compo_Simmonite

391 posts

213 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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No idea of power / specs but our 1.4 TDi Skoda Fabia seems quite quick.

Paul H

vrsmxtb

2,003 posts

182 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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Compo_Simmonite said:
No idea of power / specs but our 1.4 TDi Skoda Fabia seems quite quick.

Paul H
12.8 to 60 at best!

Dan Friel

4,181 posts

304 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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Shoestringracer said:
Hi Dan,

Its a long story but I'm fed-up with my mk1 Golf never being right and was therefore thinking of entering a different car for a couple of events. I remembered, from somewhere, i thought, that the forced induction equivalence was 1.4 as was the diesel equivalence the other way, and that therefore a 1.4 turbo diesel would be in a class with the 1.4 n/a petrols. The records seem to be set by a Peugeot 106 which, assuming it is a 1.3 Rallye has a 100bhp and 0-60 of around 10 seconds. Given that some 1.4 diesels now make over 100bhp and tons of torque, I thought one might do well in the up to 1400 standard class, or chipped and in the 1400 road going.

However, now I look at the rules I can't see any mention of a diesel equivalence so a 1.4 diesel would be in with 2 litre n/a petrols and their 200bhp +.


Time to think again


Chris
Chris,

The diesel factor does vary from championship to championship.. for example the BARC SBD regs state the following:

"Cars using forced induction will be classified as having an engine capacity increase of 40% and those using diesel fuel a reduction of 50% (eg. a 2000cc turbo diesel will be considered to be the equivalent to a 1400cc normally aspirated petrol engine)."

And they have a standard 1400 class. So you could run a very quick diesel there and be very competitive. What events were you thinking of??

Dan

CraigyMc

18,352 posts

262 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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HustleRussell said:
Bummer. I can't imagine the iron block under the bonnet would've done much to liven up the handling anyway...
Loads of diesels run ally blocks these days anyway.

C

KM666

1,757 posts

209 months

Sunday 21st April 2013
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y2blade said:
I would yes :
+1

You want a fast small capacity blown derv, buy a bike!

Shoestringracer

Original Poster:

2,109 posts

225 months

Sunday 19th May 2013
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Dan Friel said:
Shoestringracer said:
Hi Dan,

Its a long story but I'm fed-up with my mk1 Golf never being right and was therefore thinking of entering a different car for a couple of events. I remembered, from somewhere, i thought, that the forced induction equivalence was 1.4 as was the diesel equivalence the other way, and that therefore a 1.4 turbo diesel would be in a class with the 1.4 n/a petrols. The records seem to be set by a Peugeot 106 which, assuming it is a 1.3 Rallye has a 100bhp and 0-60 of around 10 seconds. Given that some 1.4 diesels now make over 100bhp and tons of torque, I thought one might do well in the up to 1400 standard class, or chipped and in the 1400 road going.

However, now I look at the rules I can't see any mention of a diesel equivalence so a 1.4 diesel would be in with 2 litre n/a petrols and their 200bhp +.


Time to think again


Chris
Chris,

The diesel factor does vary from championship to championship.. for example the BARC SBD regs state the following:

"Cars using forced induction will be classified as having an engine capacity increase of 40% and those using diesel fuel a reduction of 50% (eg. a 2000cc turbo diesel will be considered to be the equivalent to a 1400cc normally aspirated petrol engine)."

And they have a standard 1400 class. So you could run a very quick diesel there and be very competitive. What events were you thinking of??

Dan
Found the one I was thinking of - its http://www.nottinghamsportscarclub.co.uk/ Knew I'd read it somewhere. That BARC SBD would be cleaned-up by a modern 2 litre turbo diesel, I would have thought.

Chris