Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 3
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ViperPict said:
McWigglebum4th said:
ViperPict said:
Are you joking?! The Scottish independence movement implicitly embraces multi-culturalism and does not try and scare the populace with nonsense about immigrants!
So when i see graffiti that scream " END ENGLISH RULE" i'm just imagining itif you can't see it then you are a even bigger fool then i thought
which would be hard
ViperPict said:
BoE NOT Westminster!
Plus we DID NOT vote for the s
te we have in Westminster in Scotland!!
I not the Home Counties nor countless other areas didn't want the sPlus we DID NOT vote for the s
te we have in Westminster in Scotland!!te Labour govt who nearly bankrupt is sold our gold at record lows. I'd like to be able to vote on all policy in Scotland or that my MP can instead he cannot but the Scottish MP can vote on policy which doesn't impact his or her consituancy.
However what you are saying is that your rejecting majority rule why? Unless you are an Independant country its hard luck and also if you look back over the last 50years you have easily had 50% of the party you want in power. Likewise right now frankly there are no differences between the parties only marginal differences at the edges hence the disengagement of voters as it doesn't matter who is in power really. UKIP whatever you think about them are offering a very different option sure noone will like all the policies but its there as a different option.
In an Independant Scotland you'd have 100% labour or huge majority labour policies would just get past - worrying though is that in that situation those in power get complacent. Change is a good thing but as its left wing or left wing you might to your horror find that in time a right wing party governs Scotland - laws of probability and all.
TheHeretic said:
ViperPict said:
And that is xenophobic how?! We are ruled from England! And, more accurately, the phrase is 'End London rule' anyway... But what's the point in sticking to the truth when some rhetoric will work better, eh?!
You have no idea how your own government works, do you? You are a shouty mouth breather, aren't you? WhereamI said:
ViperPict said:
WhereamI said:
ViperPict said:
That he is getting hounded out of Scotland for the low-life that he is. In his case 'scum' is entirely accurate!
You really have no concept of how this democracy thing works do you?ViperPict said:
Simoid - did you see the response that Farage got in Scotland today? I'm genuinely proud of my country for that! Seriously, that clearly shows the difference between England and Scotland in terms of politics...
There will be UKIP folk canvassing up here soon - I relish the chance to 'communicate' with them!
So you're all for Scottish independence but hate the idea of the same for the rest of the UK? And yet your idea of independence is being in the EU? I really don't understand you.There will be UKIP folk canvassing up here soon - I relish the chance to 'communicate' with them!
Edited by ViperPict on Friday 17th May 00:39
ViperPict said:
TheHeretic said:
ViperPict said:
And that is xenophobic how?! We are ruled from England! And, more accurately, the phrase is 'End London rule' anyway... But what's the point in sticking to the truth when some rhetoric will work better, eh?!
You have no idea how your own government works, do you? You are a shouty mouth breather, aren't you? So again, you have no idea how your government works.
Can you answer my questions regarding UKIP multiculturalism policy please, and your claims of xeonhobia, or is it merely another case of you shouting, and then running away?
It really is bizarre. It is not a vote for independence, but a vote to rush into an EU superstate where Scotland will merely become another 'region' albeit with far less power than it has currently.
But as long as it has nothing to do with Westminster.
Ironic that the prosperity that Scotland has had for the time since union, (which was not a conquering, or forceful union. In fact the Scottish King became the English King), is somehow ignored.
When folks like VP post, it just reinforces the notion that it is purely xenophobia powering their thoughts, and nothing else.
But as long as it has nothing to do with Westminster.
Ironic that the prosperity that Scotland has had for the time since union, (which was not a conquering, or forceful union. In fact the Scottish King became the English King), is somehow ignored.When folks like VP post, it just reinforces the notion that it is purely xenophobia powering their thoughts, and nothing else.
TheHeretic said:
When folks like VP post, it just reinforces the notion that it is purely xenophobia powering their thoughts, and nothing else.
It's not xenophobia, it's more targeted than that, it's anti-Englishness.And this is why the prospect of swapping Westminster rule for EU rule is palatable to a large section of the scottish populace. It matters not that Scotland becomes a little bit of the EU federation, it only matters that Scotland is not under English rule.
Piersman2 said:
It's not xenophobia, it's more targeted than that, it's anti-Englishness.
And this is why the prospect of swapping Westminster rule for EU rule is palatable to a large section of the scottish populace. It matters not that Scotland becomes a little bit of the EU federation, it only matters that Scotland is not under English rule.
You mean it is specific, targeted prejudice? And this is why the prospect of swapping Westminster rule for EU rule is palatable to a large section of the scottish populace. It matters not that Scotland becomes a little bit of the EU federation, it only matters that Scotland is not under English rule.
And it is Farage who is the scum? I asked VP a question.
Edited by TheHeretic on Friday 17th May 08:24
ViperPict said:
simoid said:
ViperPict said:
That he is getting hounded out of Scotland for the low-life that he is. In his case 'scum' is entirely accurate!
How is he low-life scum?So, why?
ETA: I'd hate to think that, once again, you've been exposed as ignorant by a simple question about your beliefs.
Edited by simoid on Friday 17th May 08:45
ViperPict said:
simoid said:
ViperPict said:
That he is getting hounded out of Scotland for the low-life that he is. In his case 'scum' is entirely accurate!
How is he low-life scum?And while you are at it could you have a stab at explaining fairness and indpendence as you understand them.
simoid said:
Nowhere have I defended Farage, I'm simply asking why you describe him as xenophobic, low-life scum.
So, why?
Oh thats easySo, why?
UKIP = right wing politcal group
the SNP leader = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/79_Group
TheHeretic said:
It really is bizarre. It is not a vote for independence, but a vote to rush into an EU superstate where Scotland will merely become another 'region' albeit with far less power than it has currently.
But as long as it has nothing to do with Westminster. Ironic that the prosperity that Scotland has had for the time since union, (which was not a conquering, or forceful union. In fact the Scottish King became the English King), is somehow ignored.
When folks like VP post, it just reinforces the notion that it is purely xenophobia powering their thoughts, and nothing else.
I've always stressed it is has nothing to do do with xenophobia whatsoever. I love England and the English - no issues there whatsoever! However I cannot be sure of the Unionist campaign. And you.But as long as it has nothing to do with Westminster.
Ironic that the prosperity that Scotland has had for the time since union, (which was not a conquering, or forceful union. In fact the Scottish King became the English King), is somehow ignored.When folks like VP post, it just reinforces the notion that it is purely xenophobia powering their thoughts, and nothing else.
ViperPict said:
I've always stressed it is has nothing to do do with xenophobia whatsoever. I love England and the English - no issues there whatsoever! However I cannot be sure of the Unionist campaign. And you.
Of course it does. Your only issue is Westminster, as shown by the fact that Scotland has its own government, laws, and so on. What, precisely do you want independence for? So you can go running into the arms of an EU state? Anyone but England seems to be your premise. Care to answer the questions being put to you? You cannot be sure about me what? Elaborate.
TheHeretic said:
ViperPict said:
I've always stressed it is has nothing to do do with xenophobia whatsoever. I love England and the English - no issues there whatsoever! However I cannot be sure of the Unionist campaign. And you.
Of course it does. Your only issue is Westminster, as shown by the fact that Scotland has its own government, laws, and so on. What, precisely do you want independence for? So you can go running into the arms of an EU state? Anyone but England seems to be your premise. Care to answer the questions being put to you? You cannot be sure about me what? Elaborate.
simoid said:
Thinking about it, Sturgeon was able to impress in the debate last night simply BECAUSE she wasn't arguing for independence.
All she wanted was extra tax powers for Scotland.
As I've said - pointless referendum as even the SNP don't want independence!
Ahhh, I was waiting for the spin from you on that issue! Predictable... All she wanted was extra tax powers for Scotland.
As I've said - pointless referendum as even the SNP don't want independence!
But I thought that you never really watched it?!
ViperPict said:
WhereamI said:
ViperPict said:
WhereamI said:
ViperPict said:
That he is getting hounded out of Scotland for the low-life that he is. In his case 'scum' is entirely accurate!
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