PH Transformation Summer Thread 2013 - Chat

[Hoofy]

smiffy180 said:

Hoofy said:

Jesus Christ!

Dedication? Or stupidity

Don't think it's stupid. You have a plan and seem to know what you're doing. I don't think I could fit that all in one sitting.

[smiffy180]

Hoofy said:

smiffy180 said:

Hoofy said:

Jesus Christ!

Dedication? Or stupidity

Don't think it's stupid. You have a plan and seem to know what you're doing. I don't think I could fit that all in one sitting.

The plan was to space it out..... I was hungry
I plan to meet my 300g protein target. Not too fussed on how many carbs get consumed and just a little wary on fats - I get good ones on a morning and will sometimes treat myself through bad ones such as the sauce I used .

[Hoofy]

Ah, I thought you were having it all for dinner!

[smiffy180]

Hoofy said:

Ah, I thought you were having it all for dinner!

I do normally aim for 4-5 meals. Had 3 today

[Ordinary_Chap]

smiffy180 said:

Hoofy said:

Ah, I thought you were having it all for dinner!

I do normally aim for 4-5 meals. Had 3 today

Slacker!

I usually go for 5.

[Hoofy]

smiffy180 said:

Hoofy said:

Ah, I thought you were having it all for dinner!

I do normally aim for 4-5 meals. Had 3 today

I have 4 meals but each one is from 300 to 800 kcals!

[Juanco20]

Is that 3-4 meals and no snacks?

I had about 3600 calories yesterday and ate at:

7.00am - oats, protein and walnuts
9.00 - banana
11.00 - can of tuna with mayo and almonds, 1 chicken roll
13.00 - 2nd chicken roll and the rest of the chicken that didn't fit in the rolls
15.00 - 2 hard boiled eggs
16.00 - oats and banana before workout
17.30 - protein shake after workout
19.00 - 2 salmon fillets, sweet potato, carrots, broccoli and cauliflower
21.00 - avocado and a few nuts
23.00 - 2 slices of toast

10 meals in total. Is there any known issues/side effects from doing t this way? I've read stuff that says 3 meals a day is better but also articles which say 8-10 smaller meals is better as it keeps your body in an anabolic state (probably bks)

[Hoofy]

Juanco20 said:

Is that 3-4 meals and no snacks?

I had about 3600 calories yesterday and ate at:

7.00am - oats, protein and walnuts
9.00 - banana
11.00 - can of tuna with mayo and almonds, 1 chicken roll
13.00 - 2nd chicken roll and the rest of the chicken that didn't fit in the rolls
15.00 - 2 hard boiled eggs
16.00 - oats and banana before workout
17.30 - protein shake after workout
19.00 - 2 salmon fillets, sweet potato, carrots, broccoli and cauliflower
21.00 - avocado and a few nuts
23.00 - 2 slices of toast

10 meals in total. Is there any known issues/side effects from doing t this way? I've read stuff that says 3 meals a day is better but also articles which say 8-10 smaller meals is better as it keeps your body in an anabolic state (probably bks)

Snacking makes it easier to not feel hungry and to intake enough calories/protein. The downside is that acid levels in your mouth are raised most of the time and my hot dentist made me feel like a schoolboy kept back for detention for smashing the headmaster's window with a cricket ball.

[smiffy180]

Hoofy said:

Juanco20 said:

Is that 3-4 meals and no snacks?

I had about 3600 calories yesterday and ate at:

7.00am - oats, protein and walnuts
9.00 - banana
11.00 - can of tuna with mayo and almonds, 1 chicken roll
13.00 - 2nd chicken roll and the rest of the chicken that didn't fit in the rolls
15.00 - 2 hard boiled eggs
16.00 - oats and banana before workout
17.30 - protein shake after workout
19.00 - 2 salmon fillets, sweet potato, carrots, broccoli and cauliflower
21.00 - avocado and a few nuts
23.00 - 2 slices of toast

10 meals in total. Is there any known issues/side effects from doing t this way? I've read stuff that says 3 meals a day is better but also articles which say 8-10 smaller meals is better as it keeps your body in an anabolic state (probably bks)

Snacking makes it easier to not feel hungry and to intake enough calories/protein. The downside is that acid levels in your mouth are raised most of the time and my hot dentist made me feel like a schoolboy kept back for detention for smashing the headmaster's window with a cricket ball.

This and
Bodybuilders will swear by more meals, I say eat to what suits you. At the end of the day your body will take what it wants and throw out the rest.
There's no proven and backed up studies saying more or less meals is better. As long as you get your macros you're fine.

[Ordinary_Chap]

I'd argue that to support growth you need to regularly feed your muscles the nutrients they require for recovery and/or growth.

There's a million diets/plans and so called experts that say all sorts of different things but when thats all said and done the big guys all eat regularly through the day usually in the 4-8 meal range. It's like the anti-protein powder brigade, they will say all sorts of things but again when all is said and done the big guys use it regularly to supplement their diets.

Science is useful but for every arguable point there's often multiple scientific studies that conflict with each other.

So my approach is to understand by reading but then not to try and re-invent the wheel with the latest ideas but stick to what has been conclusively proven to work and consider new approaches.

There's far too many people that chop and change none-stop with the latest ideas and achieve zero because they keep modifying their approach.

Choose an approach and stick with it, if its diet give it at least 3 months and training at least 6 months.

Lee

[Hoofy]

I'd rather eat all the time but I like my teeth. The big guys might say eat every 2 hours but the big guys aren't going to pay my dental bills.

[Ordinary_Chap]

Hoofy said:

I'd rather eat all the time but I like my teeth. The big guys might say eat every 2 hours but the big guys aren't going to pay my dental bills.

I think that is massively overstated to be honest. Also surely the food you're eating has a bearing on all of this.

Mouthwash?

[smiffy180]

Ordinary_Chap said:

I'd argue that to support growth you need to regularly feed your muscles the nutrients they require for recovery and/or growth.

There's a million diets/plans and so called experts that say all sorts of different things but when thats all said and done the big guys all eat regularly through the day usually in the 4-8 meal range. It's like the anti-protein powder brigade, they will say all sorts of things but again when all is said and done the big guys use it regularly to supplement their diets.

Science is useful but for every arguable point there's often multiple scientific studies that conflict with each other.

So my approach is to understand by reading but then not to try and re-invent the wheel with the latest ideas but stick to what has been conclusively proven to work and consider new approaches.

There's far too many people that chop and change none-stop with the latest ideas and achieve zero because they keep modifying their approach.

Choose an approach and stick with it, if its diet give it at least 3 months and training at least 6 months.

Lee

I don't know how to say it to sound smart so I'll say it anyway as you've argued my point but agreed with my point too
When you consider bodybuilders or big guys as you say eat 4-8 meal range it is due to the amount of nutrients required. 300g of protein a day is a massive amount which is on the average maybe even lower end for a pro bodybuilder.
As you saw my meal from last night which contained 150g of protein, 160g of carbs yet ideally that meal was 1/3 of what I should be getting a day. I struggled to eat it in 1 sitting yet I did so because I was hungry
On a normal day however that would have been split up so I could get all my nutrition as I wouldn't be able to eat it all in one go.

For your normal 12 stone fitness male. 180g of protein can be done in 3 meals peice of piss. It's down to wether or not that person can eat it all

[Juanco20]

smiffy180 said:

I don't know how to say it to sound smart so I'll say it anyway as you've argued my point but agreed with my point too
When you consider bodybuilders or big guys as you say eat 4-8 meal range it is due to the amount of nutrients required. 300g of protein a day is a massive amount which is on the average maybe even lower end for a pro bodybuilder.
As you saw my meal from last night which contained 150g of protein, 160g of carbs yet ideally that meal was 1/3 of what I should be getting a day. I struggled to eat it in 1 sitting yet I did so because I was hungry
On a normal day however that would have been split up so I could get all my nutrition as I wouldn't be able to eat it all in one go.

For your normal 12 stone fitness male. 180g of protein can be done in 3 meals peice of piss. It's down to wether or not that person can eat it all

I think your last line sums up why I have so many meals. I'm not a big eater, I get full quite easy so I'm never going to be able to sit and eat over 1000 calories ina single meal. 700-800 seems to be about my limit

Edited by Juanco20 on Saturday 18th May 13:17

[Ordinary_Chap]

smiffy180 said:

Ordinary_Chap said:

I'd argue that to support growth you need to regularly feed your muscles the nutrients they require for recovery and/or growth.

There's a million diets/plans and so called experts that say all sorts of different things but when thats all said and done the big guys all eat regularly through the day usually in the 4-8 meal range. It's like the anti-protein powder brigade, they will say all sorts of things but again when all is said and done the big guys use it regularly to supplement their diets.

Science is useful but for every arguable point there's often multiple scientific studies that conflict with each other.

So my approach is to understand by reading but then not to try and re-invent the wheel with the latest ideas but stick to what has been conclusively proven to work and consider new approaches.

There's far too many people that chop and change none-stop with the latest ideas and achieve zero because they keep modifying their approach.

Choose an approach and stick with it, if its diet give it at least 3 months and training at least 6 months.

Lee

I don't know how to say it to sound smart so I'll say it anyway as you've argued my point but agreed with my point too
When you consider bodybuilders or big guys as you say eat 4-8 meal range it is due to the amount of nutrients required. 300g of protein a day is a massive amount which is on the average maybe even lower end for a pro bodybuilder.
As you saw my meal from last night which contained 150g of protein, 160g of carbs yet ideally that meal was 1/3 of what I should be getting a day. I struggled to eat it in 1 sitting yet I did so because I was hungry
On a normal day however that would have been split up so I could get all my nutrition as I wouldn't be able to eat it all in one go.

For your normal 12 stone fitness male. 180g of protein can be done in 3 meals peice of piss. It's down to wether or not that person can eat it all

Sorry I wasn't disagreeing with you. Didn't mean it like that.

I was just saying there is many schools of thought when it comes to this stuff but the big boys pretty much all do it the same way.

There's always lots of discussion around this stuff and lots of science banded around to support any view point but what I was getting at is this only seems to affect the small guys as the big guys tend to nearly always do the same thing.

Lee

[Hoofy]

Ordinary_Chap said:

I think that is massively overstated to be honest. Also surely the food you're eating has a bearing on all of this.

Mouthwash?

Takes an hour for acid levels to return to normal apparently. Food doesn't have a bearing on it. Sure, sweet things might make things more acidic but any food will increase acidity as the bacteria feeds on your food.

As to mouthwash, obviously, I already use it but 10 times a day? You'll be absorbing more than you should. Not sure if there's a limit considering most mouthwashes recommend once a day.

[Hoofy]

Oh, as for absorption of protein from food, the food sits in your stomach for maybe up to 3 hours depending on what you eat, and the absorption process continues through to your rectum over a 20+ hour period. Which probably explains why people can build muscle on a 16/8 IF programme.

[Hoofy]

Looks like PH is broken.

[smiffy180]

Ordinary_Chap said:

Sorry I wasn't disagreeing with you. Didn't mean it like that.

I was just saying there is many schools of thought when it comes to this stuff but the big boys pretty much all do it the same way.

There's always lots of discussion around this stuff and lots of science banded around to support any view point but what I was getting at is this only seems to affect the small guys as the big guys tend to nearly always do the same thing.

Lee

Ah never mind then .

[Ordinary_Chap]

Hoofy said:

Oh, as for absorption of protein from food, the food sits in your stomach for maybe up to 3 hours depending on what you eat, and the absorption process continues through to your rectum over a 20+ hour period. Which probably explains why people can build muscle on a 16/8 IF programme.

I think that only tells part of the story. There is vastly different absorption rates for foods and then of course there is the need for immediate absorption of foods after exercise. If it was how it was described as above it would be extremely easy but clearly there is far more to this than that otherwise we could all just eat adhoc in the eating window and have great results.

Also I've never seen a single person grow on IF style of eating. Good for dieting, useless for growth.