Just another day on the M62...
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I got caught up in this on the way home from the Lake District. Reached the M621 and it took me 3 and a half hours to move the 2 miles to my exit. People were charging up the hard shoulder with hazards on like it makes them exempt from the law or something. Saw one birk rear end some one else because he was staring into his mobile phone and not watching traffic. Sigh.
Left North Manchester at 13.10, got back to work in Bradford at 17.30, what a bleedin nightmare. I sit on that section every morning and its getting worse. Its about time they opened the variable sections completed just so you can get away from the lorrys and cars that tailgate at 50mph in the narrow lanes. Hope no one was seriously hurt.
ch108 said:
When the A80 was being upgraded to the M80 in central Scotland that was major roadworks and reconstruction. New bridges, changing road layout and they kept 4lanes open during the day. The speed limit was reduced to 40mph for over 2years. I don't remember there being any increase in accidents during that time. When the upgraded road opened at the 70limit again they had police patrols on the lookout for people going too slow as drivers had become that accustomed to doing 40 in an area that stretched many miles with average speed cameras.
Those 40mph roadworks were absolutely mind-numbingly awfulRacerMDR said:
that's the thing isn't it......it's the weeks and weeks and months and months with no one working on the stupid thing.
Use more intelligence, work harder and get the road open.
I'm pretty sure if we put my team on any of this work, we'd find a way to make it smarter.
It's lazy, and shows a total lack of giving a f
k to the motorist.
And the fact that the fUse more intelligence, work harder and get the road open.
I'm pretty sure if we put my team on any of this work, we'd find a way to make it smarter.
It's lazy, and shows a total lack of giving a f
k to the motorist.kwits got the wrong lampposts (they were too short) and have had to replace a few hundred of them which has made this drag on even longer. I have spent a huge amount of time in these roadworks (I live near j27) and it really boils my piss that so much of the time there is no bugger doing any work.There are so many morons not paying any attention to anything apart from their speedo I am amazed there havent been any more fatalities, I cant wait for it to be finished.
YorkshirePudding said:
It goes from 4 lanes to 2 at Junct 27 eastbound and it's very poorly signed.
Any who doesn't know, travelling east, suddenly find themselves either having to go into Leeds or push out into lane 3 at the last minute,
4 lanes to 3... but you have all the traffic from Bradford joining at j26 and wanting to move over, while a huge amount of traffic is wanting to get into lane 1 to go into Leeds - all while everyone is bunched up from the ave speed cameras. Had to do the journey from Manchester to J27 for 6 months. wasnt a pleasent time - accidents that shut the motorway between J26 and J27 were very frequent - think there were at least 4 fatal accidents in those couple of miles of motorway in that 6 month period, plus several over multiple vehicle accidents that shut the motorway for hours. Worst tailback i saw was from an accident from before J27 - the queue streached back to little house on the prairie.Any who doesn't know, travelling east, suddenly find themselves either having to go into Leeds or push out into lane 3 at the last minute,
22rgt B Squadron said:
RacerMDR said:
If you aren't capable of doing the speed limit, get the bus.
Sounds like yourself, you need to get the bus..To clarify, I meant if you aren't capable of being at the speed limit. Not below it. The speed limit is there to cater for the lowest standard.
When you drive through the average speed cameras with your speedometer needle pointing at 50mph you're probably only doing about 47mph. You get an HGV driver with his GPS and much more accurate speedometer and he can more easily keep his speed at 50mph so he gets frustrated and tailgates you. Then you get another HGV driver who wants to play even more fast and loose with the speed limit. He knows the average speed cameras give a 10% grace over the speed limit. His HGV is electronically limited to about 55mph so he just keeps his foot to the floor and tailgates everyone he catches up with. All the way through these average speed camera sections HGV drivers are tailgating and using the third lane when they shouldn't be only to be left for dust by everyone else at the end of them. The danger lies with the drivers rather than the speed limit and the cameras but the chances of HGVs being involved in accidents with each other and with other vehicles on the road are far greater than the chances of any of the few workmen in the area being involved in accidents with the traffic.
While I agree that it's a bit crap having a motorway restricted for a long time while not seeing much progress (not being a road worker, I'm not sure what good or adequate progress really looks like), is it not a bit daft to suggest that a 20mph reduction in the speed limit is causing accidents? I mean, can anybody source any sort of evidence of this being the case?
People tailgating and/or speeding (as 50% upwards of drivers seem to do) would be a more reasonable and probable explanation I wager.
People tailgating and/or speeding (as 50% upwards of drivers seem to do) would be a more reasonable and probable explanation I wager.
It's more than a 20mph reduction in practice. Many people do 80mph-90mph or even more in the 70mph limit. Through average speed cameras they have to stick to the limit but everyone drives too close and people daydream. Some want to push their luck with the speed limit more than others and tailgate those being careful. I feel much more vulnerable and endangered going through 50mph average speed cameras than driving along the motorway ordinarily. What makes matters worse is we're seeing permanent average speed cameras appearing on roads like the Cat and Fiddle and Stocksbridge Bypass.
ModernAndy said:
While I agree that it's a bit crap having a motorway restricted for a long time while not seeing much progress (not being a road worker, I'm not sure what good or adequate progress really looks like), is it not a bit daft to suggest that a 20mph reduction in the speed limit is causing accidents? I mean, can anybody source any sort of evidence of this being the case?
People tailgating and/or speeding (as 50% upwards of drivers seem to do) would be a more reasonable and probable explanation I wager.
Lanes are often a lot narrower. People tailgating and/or speeding (as 50% upwards of drivers seem to do) would be a more reasonable and probable explanation I wager.
panholio said:
Lanes are often a lot narrower.
That's a possible explanation but it's not one that I buy. Still a million times more plausible than a drop in the speed limit directly causing these accidents though. I think if the stretch of road was properly investigated, it would be found that there are no more accidents than there were before the additional restrictions.
I think there would be a stat that'd show more accidents in the roadworks than before they were put in. The area around j27, infact anything from Bradford to the M1 eastbound and M1 to just past 26 westbound in the mornings isnt great, without roadworks.
The eastbound section is quite confusing if you've not driven it before, heavy traffic isnt going to be making life easier so I think it's just misjudgement or slamming on for something or someone in this accident. Just my opinion and dont really know much about the incident, but I've driven that section a few times
The eastbound section is quite confusing if you've not driven it before, heavy traffic isnt going to be making life easier so I think it's just misjudgement or slamming on for something or someone in this accident. Just my opinion and dont really know much about the incident, but I've driven that section a few times
I live near the M62 and have travelled on it at all times and in all conditions and in the 20+yrs I have been driving I have never been scared of anything like the M62 from J27 to Manchester and back during the rush hours, it's an absolute nightmare.
It's high speed nose-to-tail Russian Roulette, go too slow and cause an accident, go too fast and cause an accident, leave a sensible gap in front and someone fills it a few metres from your bonnet.
It grinds to halt every single working day of the year, it has more accidents on it than any other motorway and these have increased year on year.
I've actually turned down jobs because they involved driving on it every day at peak times! I figured that one day I would become a statistic no matter what I did, as the simple facts are there are too many people on there, they are in too much of a hurry and drive very badly.
'Just another day on the M62...'
Yes it is, it's like watching thousands of Lemmings on a daily basis....
It's high speed nose-to-tail Russian Roulette, go too slow and cause an accident, go too fast and cause an accident, leave a sensible gap in front and someone fills it a few metres from your bonnet.
It grinds to halt every single working day of the year, it has more accidents on it than any other motorway and these have increased year on year.
I've actually turned down jobs because they involved driving on it every day at peak times! I figured that one day I would become a statistic no matter what I did, as the simple facts are there are too many people on there, they are in too much of a hurry and drive very badly.
'Just another day on the M62...'
Yes it is, it's like watching thousands of Lemmings on a daily basis....
Edited by Evoluzione on Saturday 18th May 23:07
I've traveled on that section for the last 20 years, ever since they put the road works in I have avoided it like the plague.
I drive across to Wetherby and pick up the A1 rather than suffer that death trap of a road, the standard of driving on the section to and from Leeds/Bradford is shocking.
I drive across to Wetherby and pick up the A1 rather than suffer that death trap of a road, the standard of driving on the section to and from Leeds/Bradford is shocking.
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