Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2
Discussion
the lack of warming is a mere detail 
rovermorris999 said:
Hansen on R4 Today this morning. The lack of warming is 'details' and we are all doomed because of CO2. Unsurprisingly, an easy ride from the interviewer. Basically a propaganda piece. Typical.
It was about 8:30am if anyone wants to listen.
Heard it... and he was almost doing well, sounding calm and lucid, dealing with the (very lightweight) questions from the interviewer........ until, after the most gentle of prods he went off on one regarding Canadian tar sands and how our children will be condemned to suffering a runaway climate....... Definately one brick short of a full load. It was about 8:30am if anyone wants to listen.
andymadmak said:
Heard it... and he was almost doing well, sounding calm and lucid, dealing with the (very lightweight) questions from the interviewer........ until, after the most gentle of prods he went off on one regarding Canadian tar sands and how our children will be condemned to suffering a runaway climate....... Definately one brick short of a full load.
Just one brick?It's Gone With The Wind as British Wind Farm Owners Face Redistribution Of Green Subsidy Profits
The Leader of the Scottish Government review of landownership yesterday pledged to examine ways of redistributing the cash wealthy lairds make from wind farms to benefit the less-advantaged. Alison Elliot, chair of the Land Reform Review Group (LRRG), said the issue would be investigated amid concerns that aristocrats are benefiting from the renewables revolution while the poor grapple with fuel poverty.
Tom Peterkin, The Scotsman, 16 May 2013
Critics point out that landowners rent their land to renewable generators, whose wind farms are subsidised by extra levies on ordinary electricity consumers. Tory MEP Struan Stevenson’s estimates suggest that the Duke of Roxburghe could net £1.5 million a year from a wind farm on the Lammermuir Hills. The Earl of Moray is estimated to receive £2 million a year from a wind farm near Stirling. The Earl of Glasgow could be earning upwards of £300,000 a year from turbines on his Kelburn estate.
Tom Peterkin, The Scotsman, 16 May 2013
Meanwhile...
Green energy subsidies will cost every British household £600 a year by 2020, a leading industry analyst warns in a Civitas paper published today. The cost to consumers of pursuing EU renewables targets is set to rise above £16 billion per annum, when VAT is taken into account, Dr John Constable writes in Are Green Times Just Around the Corner? Moreover, these huge costs are making it more, not less, likely that green energy production remains inefficient and a burden on the taxpayer in the years to come, he says. And he warns that the shift to renewables is likely to herald the first long-term decline in living standards since the start of the industrial revolution.
Civitas, 17 May 2013
The Leader of the Scottish Government review of landownership yesterday pledged to examine ways of redistributing the cash wealthy lairds make from wind farms to benefit the less-advantaged. Alison Elliot, chair of the Land Reform Review Group (LRRG), said the issue would be investigated amid concerns that aristocrats are benefiting from the renewables revolution while the poor grapple with fuel poverty.
Tom Peterkin, The Scotsman, 16 May 2013
Critics point out that landowners rent their land to renewable generators, whose wind farms are subsidised by extra levies on ordinary electricity consumers. Tory MEP Struan Stevenson’s estimates suggest that the Duke of Roxburghe could net £1.5 million a year from a wind farm on the Lammermuir Hills. The Earl of Moray is estimated to receive £2 million a year from a wind farm near Stirling. The Earl of Glasgow could be earning upwards of £300,000 a year from turbines on his Kelburn estate.
Tom Peterkin, The Scotsman, 16 May 2013
Meanwhile...
Green energy subsidies will cost every British household £600 a year by 2020, a leading industry analyst warns in a Civitas paper published today. The cost to consumers of pursuing EU renewables targets is set to rise above £16 billion per annum, when VAT is taken into account, Dr John Constable writes in Are Green Times Just Around the Corner? Moreover, these huge costs are making it more, not less, likely that green energy production remains inefficient and a burden on the taxpayer in the years to come, he says. And he warns that the shift to renewables is likely to herald the first long-term decline in living standards since the start of the industrial revolution.
Civitas, 17 May 2013
turbobloke said:
It's Gone With The Wind as British Wind Farm Owners Face Redistribution Of Green Subsidy Profits
And he warns that the shift to renewables is likely to herald the first long-term decline in living standards since the start of the industrial revolution.
Civitas, 17 May 2013
ooh the Green Party will be pleased - at least we'll know who to point the fingers at when the crowd starts braying for blood for this sorry mess.And he warns that the shift to renewables is likely to herald the first long-term decline in living standards since the start of the industrial revolution.
Civitas, 17 May 2013
turbobloke said:
Green energy subsidies will cost every British household £600 a year by 2020, a leading industry analyst warns in a Civitas paper published today. The cost to consumers of pursuing EU renewables targets is set to rise above £16 billion per annum, when VAT is taken into account, Dr John Constable writes in Are Green Times Just Around the Corner? Moreover, these huge costs are making it more, not less, likely that green energy production remains inefficient and a burden on the taxpayer in the years to come, he says. And he warns that the shift to renewables is likely to herald the first long-term decline in living standards since the start of the industrial revolution.
Civitas, 17 May 2013
This is utter madness. And no-one in authority is screaming for it to stop. Indeed, they all seem hell bent on outdoing each other. Civitas, 17 May 2013
Maybe Icke's 'lizard people' theory is correct after all?
rovermorris999 said:
Hansen on R4 Today this morning. The lack of warming is 'details' and we are all doomed because of CO2. Unsurprisingly, an easy ride from the interviewer. Basically a propaganda piece. Typical.
It was about 8:30am if anyone wants to listen.
On a related note - and a blast from the past - received this very belated reply from BBC Central today. It should have had Daz in the title...It was about 8:30am if anyone wants to listen.
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I understand you’ve been unhappy with previous responses you’ve received and continue to feel we’ve been biased in our reporting on this issue.
A Freedom of Information request was made for material held by the BBC relating to a seminar discussing climate change held in 2006. The BBC has refused disclosure on the basis that the documents were held for the purposes of journalism, art or literature, and are therefore outside the scope of the BBC’s designation under the Freedom of Information Act. The Information Tribunal has unanimously upheld this.
The seminar was conducted under the Chatham House Rule to enable free and frank discussion, something that is necessary for our independent journalism. Some information regarding this event was posted on a website in 2007 without the permission of the BBC, and later taken down. It has recently become apparent that this information is still available on an internet archive. However, this does not impact on the decision of the Tribunal nor the reason the BBC defended its decision not to disclose the material sought under the Freedom of Information Act.
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The extreme weather junkscience meme continues to fail.
Article said:
We’ve mentioned many times the lack of major landfalling hurricanes on the USA being in a record drought. When the Atlantic hurricane season starts on June 1st, 13 days from now, it will have been (barring a miracle storm) 2,777 days since the last time an intense (that is a Category 3, 4 or 5) hurricane made landfall along the US coast (Wilma in 2005). Such a prolonged period without an intense hurricane landfall has not been observed since 1900.
Now Australia’s Bureau of Meteorology has posted an updated graph (if you can call through 2011 “updated”) that shows a significant downtrend in all tropical storms, with no discernible trend for severe tropical cyclones.
MoreNow Australia’s Bureau of Meteorology has posted an updated graph (if you can call through 2011 “updated”) that shows a significant downtrend in all tropical storms, with no discernible trend for severe tropical cyclones.
turbobloke said:
The extreme weather junkscience meme continues to fail.
Article said:
We’ve mentioned many times the lack of major landfalling hurricanes on the USA being in a record drought. When the Atlantic hurricane season starts on June 1st, 13 days from now, it will have been (barring a miracle storm) 2,777 days since the last time an intense (that is a Category 3, 4 or 5) hurricane made landfall along the US coast (Wilma in 2005). Such a prolonged period without an intense hurricane landfall has not been observed since 1900.
Now Australia’s Bureau of Meteorology has posted an updated graph (if you can call through 2011 “updated”) that shows a significant downtrend in all tropical storms, with no discernible trend for severe tropical cyclones.
MoreNow Australia’s Bureau of Meteorology has posted an updated graph (if you can call through 2011 “updated”) that shows a significant downtrend in all tropical storms, with no discernible trend for severe tropical cyclones.
thats just weather
Improvement = natural variation in the weather
turbobloke said:
Remind me .... in which markets did the (recently rather silent?) Al Gore's family makes it fortune? A fortune large enough to put him in a position to manipulate things in his favour to create a second fortune at everyone else's expense and with, once again, no obvious benefit to mankind as a whole - despite his claims otherwise.Looks like they got it wrong. Oops
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-2256...
Is it really so hard to admit that they don't actually understand very much about climate and can't accurately predict what it will do next?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-2256...
Is it really so hard to admit that they don't actually understand very much about climate and can't accurately predict what it will do next?
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