RE: Honda NSX order books now open!
Discussion
Joedarkness said:
it's hard in Tokyo to pick up a nice nsx without some fool sticking gangstar wheels and a god awful spoiler on it
Case in point
http://www.carsensor.net/usedcar/detail/CU15344817...
Awful spoiler ... agreed!Case in point
http://www.carsensor.net/usedcar/detail/CU15344817...
Auto box ... shame.
Painted centre console ... hmmm?
Wheels ... love it! Lose the spoiler, and externally that car looks fantastic.
RB26 / Dagnut - I agree in part, but the original NSX laid a lot of groundwork for the Honda badge (without it the R35 GTR probably wouldn't have been such a success, badge-wise), and the S2000 is still reasonably fresh in memories. Good-vs-great is a fair point. But "demolishing the competition" doesn't have to mean power/statistics - look at the Lotus Elise, which when it came out was outgunned by even the MX5*, FFS, let alone more serious stuff like the Boxster, Impreza Turbo, Integra Type R and RenaultSport Spider.
So I don't think they're mis-pitching it in price/market-terms, but I do agree that not using the V8 is a mistake (combination of original NSX's USP and emissions, I guess...possibly packaging if it's a transverse engine again), and I'm not convinced about the hybrid 4wd system yet - it needs to add agility/handling not just improve economy!
As for Porsche "911 being the pinnacle" - because of price/marketing only. Not sure that counts...
* Yes, the response is weight...but no-one mentions the weight of the GT-R, nor in many cases the (lardy) weight of the new hero, the F-Type (50bhp more than a Boxster-S in V6S flavour, but worse bhp/tonne!!!).
So I don't think they're mis-pitching it in price/market-terms, but I do agree that not using the V8 is a mistake (combination of original NSX's USP and emissions, I guess...possibly packaging if it's a transverse engine again), and I'm not convinced about the hybrid 4wd system yet - it needs to add agility/handling not just improve economy!
As for Porsche "911 being the pinnacle" - because of price/marketing only. Not sure that counts...
* Yes, the response is weight...but no-one mentions the weight of the GT-R, nor in many cases the (lardy) weight of the new hero, the F-Type (50bhp more than a Boxster-S in V6S flavour, but worse bhp/tonne!!!).
havoc said:
RB26 / Dagnut - I agree in part, but the original NSX laid a lot of groundwork for the Honda badge (without it the R35 GTR probably wouldn't have been such a success, badge-wise), and the S2000 is still reasonably fresh in memories. Good-vs-great is a fair point. But "demolishing the competition" doesn't have to mean power/statistics - look at the Lotus Elise, which when it came out was outgunned by even the MX5*, FFS, let alone more serious stuff like the Boxster, Impreza Turbo, Integra Type R and RenaultSport Spider.
So I don't think they're mis-pitching it in price/market-terms, but I do agree that not using the V8 is a mistake (combination of original NSX's USP and emissions, I guess...possibly packaging if it's a transverse engine again), and I'm not convinced about the hybrid 4wd system yet - it needs to add agility/handling not just improve economy!
As for Porsche "911 being the pinnacle" - because of price/marketing only. Not sure that counts...
* Yes, the response is weight...but no-one mentions the weight of the GT-R, nor in many cases the (lardy) weight of the new hero, the F-Type (50bhp more than a Boxster-S in V6S flavour, but worse bhp/tonne!!!).
Jaguar wishes it was 50kg!So I don't think they're mis-pitching it in price/market-terms, but I do agree that not using the V8 is a mistake (combination of original NSX's USP and emissions, I guess...possibly packaging if it's a transverse engine again), and I'm not convinced about the hybrid 4wd system yet - it needs to add agility/handling not just improve economy!
As for Porsche "911 being the pinnacle" - because of price/marketing only. Not sure that counts...
* Yes, the response is weight...but no-one mentions the weight of the GT-R, nor in many cases the (lardy) weight of the new hero, the F-Type (50bhp more than a Boxster-S in V6S flavour, but worse bhp/tonne!!!).
F-Type S 1615kg
Boxster S 1425kg
991 Cab 1520kg
havoc said:
and I'm not convinced about the hybrid 4wd system yet - it needs to add agility/handling not just improve economy!
If it's anything like the SH-AWD in the Legend, it is definitely there for agility/handling. It does stand for Super Handling-All Wheel Drive. Bless the Japanese and their funny names. 
havoc said:
The big flaw for the original NSX nowadays is the aforementioned Cayman, which is similar money, similarly practical, probably costs similar amounts to run but is a lot newer...and has a better badge, for those that care.
Cayman 2.7 tested in latest Autocar - gets 5 stars. I drove one last week - a fair bit sharper on turn in than the NSX - both cars have a very good ride. Cayman was a fair bit slower than my ~310bhp NSX, and induction noise not a patch on the old timer. Question is, would you buy the Cayman new and suffer ~20k depreciation over 3 years, or buy used and pay the ~£1k annual cost for warranty and associated maintenance items (£250 for a Porsche battery).INteresting how this thread follows the path of so many ....
If you dont want or like new technology you're not alone ... but do we need the position defended when disucssing what the merits of using this technology in the NSX might actually be ... I haven't checked but have similar comments be laid against P1 and LaF?
The USP thing is interesting ... rear engined, V8's or simply great looking cars, but what if, and its a big IF, Honda brought you a sub £100k mid-engined hybrid with directly related F1 technology from a ultra high revving V6 with regenerative hybrid power technology ... surely this would class as a very unique USP, that coupled to a great handling lightweigth sports car would claim its place in the market?
Its out of my ££ range, and I@m fortunate enough to have a classic 3.2T NSX already, but I do hope Honda use the recent McLaren annoucement and bring a screaming record breaker to the market ... and for those that done want \ need \ like advancing engineering then start studying the rear of these cars, as thats the view you'd better get used too ....
regards,
If you dont want or like new technology you're not alone ... but do we need the position defended when disucssing what the merits of using this technology in the NSX might actually be ... I haven't checked but have similar comments be laid against P1 and LaF?
The USP thing is interesting ... rear engined, V8's or simply great looking cars, but what if, and its a big IF, Honda brought you a sub £100k mid-engined hybrid with directly related F1 technology from a ultra high revving V6 with regenerative hybrid power technology ... surely this would class as a very unique USP, that coupled to a great handling lightweigth sports car would claim its place in the market?
Its out of my ££ range, and I@m fortunate enough to have a classic 3.2T NSX already, but I do hope Honda use the recent McLaren annoucement and bring a screaming record breaker to the market ... and for those that done want \ need \ like advancing engineering then start studying the rear of these cars, as thats the view you'd better get used too ....
regards,
morning gents, i have just become the proud owner of a '97 NSX. 2 owner car, totally standard with 61k on the clock. last owner for 15 years... i took the car to Honda NSX specialist for a look through, small niglles came up. the bigger one is clutch needs replacoing, which given reading i found surprising.
Does anyone have view on replacement clutch/ costs/ best kit (standard?) any insight appreciated. also keen to know which cars were produced in which volumes (colours etc). my car is dark green with Tan inside, which looks great. very happy with the ride, performance and refinement fpor such an old car..
thanks for any advice...
Does anyone have view on replacement clutch/ costs/ best kit (standard?) any insight appreciated. also keen to know which cars were produced in which volumes (colours etc). my car is dark green with Tan inside, which looks great. very happy with the ride, performance and refinement fpor such an old car..
thanks for any advice...
Congratulations! Sounds like a good one.
Clutch - Had mine changed last year -assuming you've got a 3.0, OE needs a special alignment tool, so best to take it to someone who's done them before, as not a simple job.
OE part is much cheaper from USA, if you can get them to ship over, or maybe from a parts specialist like VTEC Direct. Will be 1k or so regardless.
Non OE - apparently mine had a Project Mu clutch when i bought it, was never entirely convinced by it. No other experience. Worth asking on NSXCB though, if you haven't already.
Clutch - Had mine changed last year -assuming you've got a 3.0, OE needs a special alignment tool, so best to take it to someone who's done them before, as not a simple job.
OE part is much cheaper from USA, if you can get them to ship over, or maybe from a parts specialist like VTEC Direct. Will be 1k or so regardless.
Non OE - apparently mine had a Project Mu clutch when i bought it, was never entirely convinced by it. No other experience. Worth asking on NSXCB though, if you haven't already.
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