Vauxhall Mokka - what the fu..........
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Crafty_ said:
Correct, but the car is an Opel, Vauxhall buy the cars from them (or a license to make them). They do (or rather did) the same with Holden to bring the VXR8 in.
Vauxhall do not design or create anything, it all comes from Germany.
My astra was actually made for Vauxhall by Opel in Belgium (at least thats how I understand the deal worked then).
It's even simpler than that. Opel and Vauxhall are both 2 of GM many brands. Opel sold in continental Europe, Vauxhall in the UK.Vauxhall do not design or create anything, it all comes from Germany.
My astra was actually made for Vauxhall by Opel in Belgium (at least thats how I understand the deal worked then).
I really don't understand why there is so much hatred towards a car. One of the major advantages of those raised up family cars (whether small like the Juke or this or one size up like the Qashcow) is that they deal with the state of our road very well, what with longer travel and higher sidewalls. Very little downsides as they're actually cheaper than the "equivalent" Golf. Dynamic performance and higher CoG is obviously of zero consequence for the intended use.
White goods cars, that's all. Why put any effort into deciding whether you like them or not? They're worthy of about as much consideration as you put into choosing a new iron at Currys. Hating them? far from being a disservice to the thing, it's a positive compliment to have given it so much thought 
bimsb6 said:
Should be ok depending on the type of sand , bearing in mind the tyres are road not mud pluggers ,ours was fine in the last lot of snow .
Cheers. My only real grumble with these 'crossover' type cars is that they have some off-road ability then they stick low-profile road rubber on them which negates any off the 'lofty' off-road benefit.
True but I also think that choosing a family car may require a bit more time spent, as amount of space, practicality, running costs, build quality, to name but a few areas, are maybe quite important. I think choosing the wrong iron can be solved quite easily/cheaply/quickly whereas choosing the wrong car can be a more costly mistake.
Edited by nickfrog on Sunday 19th May 16:28
Fire99 said:
bimsb6 said:
Should be ok depending on the type of sand , bearing in mind the tyres are road not mud pluggers ,ours was fine in the last lot of snow .
Cheers. My only real grumble with these 'crossover' type cars is that they have some off-road ability then they stick low-profile road rubber on them which negates any off the 'lofty' off-road benefit.Crafty_ said:
Chris944_S2 said:
Isn't it just a rebadged opel mokka which is German? Unless its a rebadged American design but seems a bit small for them.
Yes, its an Opel.For the most part Vauxhall buy cars from Opel, they re-configure them for the UK market though, so what might be a standard item here is an option in europe (and vice versa) in some cases options available in europe are not available here (thats fairly rare though).
Don't understand what all the rage is about, its not a PH car, it just joins the masses of other "normal cars" out there.
Another insight on the car, i got stuck behind one with a turbo badge (must be the 140hp one) on the on-ramp to the motorway, which has a few slight curves, nothing drastic (i regularly succeed in hitting 70 through the curves and joining traffic at 80 with my lardy focus). Apparently the chassis doesnt inspire much confidence, since i could've kept up with the mokka with a car much slower then mine. The driver didnt lack right-footed ness, just didnt dare take a corner at speed.
Vitorio said:
Another insight on the car, i got stuck behind one with a turbo badge (must be the 140hp one) on the on-ramp to the motorway, which has a few slight curves, nothing drastic (i regularly succeed in hitting 70 through the curves and joining traffic at 80 with my lardy focus). Apparently the chassis doesnt inspire much confidence, since i could've kept up with the mokka with a car much slower then mine. The driver didnt lack right-footed ness, just didnt dare take a corner at speed.
probably driver error unless you know that the mooka driver was RoADA, Emergency Services response / advanced trained or a Race god mph1977 said:
probably driver error unless you know that the mooka driver was RoADA, Emergency Services response / advanced trained or a Race god
He didnt have any trouble using the loud pedal once we joined the motorway though.Either way, not that i'm expecting go-kart like cornering out of an SUV, it just highlighted right then and there what is wrong with that type of car in general to me. Over here we dont really have hills or large off-road areas (the netherlands, as flat as it gets really), so as long as you have the ground clearance to take a sleeping policeman, you'll be fine, never mind AWD
Vitorio said:
mph1977 said:
probably driver error unless you know that the mooka driver was RoADA, Emergency Services response / advanced trained or a Race god
He didnt have any trouble using the loud pedal once we joined the motorway though.Either way, not that i'm expecting go-kart like cornering out of an SUV, it just highlighted right then and there what is wrong with that type of car in general to me. Over here we dont really have hills or large off-road areas (the netherlands, as flat as it gets really), so as long as you have the ground clearance to take a sleeping policeman, you'll be fine, never mind AWD
i - can't corner for toffee
ii - do not have the observation, anticipation and mechanical sympathy to be able to drive effectively in town / high hazard situations so are either comically slow or charge up to each hazard before stopping
Vitorio said:
He didnt have any trouble using the loud pedal once we joined the motorway though.
Either way, not that i'm expecting go-kart like cornering out of an SUV, it just highlighted right then and there what is wrong with that type of car in general to me. Over here we dont really have hills or large off-road areas (the netherlands, as flat as it gets really), so as long as you have the ground clearance to take a sleeping policeman, you'll be fine, never mind AWD
I followed a fiesa the other day wandering all over the road , went round a bend on the wrong side of the road , i assumed then that they all handle like sEither way, not that i'm expecting go-kart like cornering out of an SUV, it just highlighted right then and there what is wrong with that type of car in general to me. Over here we dont really have hills or large off-road areas (the netherlands, as flat as it gets really), so as long as you have the ground clearance to take a sleeping policeman, you'll be fine, never mind AWD
t and should be avoided ! Or maybe it was some old duffer that should return his licence to swansea and take the bus .blank said:
Crafty_ said:
telecat said:
Opel get the Astra from Vauxhall. They are made in Liverpool. Like most makers these days they are made wherever they have capacity.
Correct, but the car is an Opel, Vauxhall buy the cars from them (or a license to make them). They do (or rather did) the same with Holden to bring the VXR8 in.Vauxhall do not design or create anything, it all comes from Germany.
My astra was actually made for Vauxhall by Opel in Belgium (at least thats how I understand the deal worked then).
My girlfriend has 64 plate one of these in that blue colour. To be fair, there are quite a few about. Its the 1.4T petrol
Honestly? Its a bag of ste. All USB and power outlets have stopped working, the parking sensor system is designed to confuse, its currently doing 31.4mpg average and sounds like a three cylinder diesel on idle. All this at 2,100 miles. It's the FWD version. All in all a pretty unforgivable combination. Visibility is awful.
The C-Max she had before was better and I hated that. Cheap feeling derv nonsense as well. And £27k list. Madness
These niche cars don't work unless done properly...it appears that Nissan have nailed this one.
There is nothing, I repeat nothing I can recommend this car for. It's definitely a Corsa on tip toes. It is an imposter of a car.
Avoid.
Honestly? Its a bag of s
te. All USB and power outlets have stopped working, the parking sensor system is designed to confuse, its currently doing 31.4mpg average and sounds like a three cylinder diesel on idle. All this at 2,100 miles. It's the FWD version. All in all a pretty unforgivable combination. Visibility is awful.The C-Max she had before was better and I hated that. Cheap feeling derv nonsense as well. And £27k list. Madness
These niche cars don't work unless done properly...it appears that Nissan have nailed this one.
There is nothing, I repeat nothing I can recommend this car for. It's definitely a Corsa on tip toes. It is an imposter of a car.
Avoid.
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