Day Rates for Trades by Postcode
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Oi not all southerners are like that but I agree a lot are.
Anyway when people say day rate do they mean that the trade supplies all materials and risk for a day rate or do they mean what a day rate really is and that's turn up at a certain time, leave at a certain time with no risk of extra materials etc
To me day rate : fixed times, no material outlay, no risk if it takes a week it takes a week, if it takes two its the customers concern etc.
A price for a job: possibility of earning a profit but also a chance of a loss if things don't go as expected or a chance to earn less than a reasonable day rate.
Anyway when people say day rate do they mean that the trade supplies all materials and risk for a day rate or do they mean what a day rate really is and that's turn up at a certain time, leave at a certain time with no risk of extra materials etc
To me day rate : fixed times, no material outlay, no risk if it takes a week it takes a week, if it takes two its the customers concern etc.
A price for a job: possibility of earning a profit but also a chance of a loss if things don't go as expected or a chance to earn less than a reasonable day rate.
For a bit of balance, it doesn't seem to matter where a builder comes from. I've spent plenty of time arguing with 'northern' builders about poor work as much as I've spent arguing with 'southern' or 'eastern European' or 'west Indian' or 'Oriental'.
Personally, do a job right and you do it once.
Personally, do a job right and you do it once.
m3jappa said:
do they mean what a day rate really is and that's turn up at a certain time, leave at a certain time with no risk of extra materials etc
A day rate means just that 8am - 4pm labour only, how can it mean anything else ?I know if I work on a price I obviously add a bit on in case of the unexpected - many add a LOT on so I always try to get guys on a day rate where possible but on my last build the bricklayers, elecs and plumber were on a price but it worked out to be approx the rates I gave.
V8RX7 said:
m3jappa said:
do they mean what a day rate really is and that's turn up at a certain time, leave at a certain time with no risk of extra materials etc
A day rate means just that 8am - 4pm labour only, how can it mean anything else ?I know if I work on a price I obviously add a bit on in case of the unexpected - many add a LOT on so I always try to get guys on a day rate where possible but on my last build the bricklayers, elecs and plumber were on a price but it worked out to be approx the rates I gave.
That's how people end up with the nightmare builders scenario I.e bloke prices cheap on a day rate, forgets to include certain materials, gets half way through the job and sacks it off as he's now paying them o be there, customer feels they've been had and builder ends up in financial trouble.
I'm happy to do either but they are or should be exclusive of each other.
m3jappa said:
I agree that a day rate is exactly that. However it seems there's a growing trend for some people to want the benefits of a buisness done with the benefits of a daily rate for them. The two cant work together and will end in tears, probably on both behalves.
That's how people end up with the nightmare builders scenario I.e bloke prices cheap on a day rate, forgets to include certain materials, gets half way through the job and sacks it off as he's now paying them o be there, customer feels they've been had and builder ends up in financial trouble.
I'm happy to do either but they are or should be exclusive of each other.
Another in agreement here,cant be both ways for the customer.If customer wants the 'benefits' of a business then they have to pay for it.That's how people end up with the nightmare builders scenario I.e bloke prices cheap on a day rate, forgets to include certain materials, gets half way through the job and sacks it off as he's now paying them o be there, customer feels they've been had and builder ends up in financial trouble.
I'm happy to do either but they are or should be exclusive of each other.
hedgefinder said:
V8RX7 said:
You never mentioned qualified.
You said paperwork - to those in the trade that means contracts, receipts etc
and exactly how do you get building work passed by building control WITHOUT paperwork for electrical work carried out and any gas work??You said paperwork - to those in the trade that means contracts, receipts etc
Try READING what is written.
hedgefinder said:
V8RX7 said:
And why exactly would building control be interested in contracts and receipts ?
Try READING what is written.
you were referring to my original post which stated PAPERWORK. Try reading what was orginally written before trying to be a smart arse.Try READING what is written.
Neil - YVM said:
Those rates are all a bit higher than you would pay in SS# Essex.
Assuming that the tiler supplies the adhesive / grout for that, if just labour then expensive.
Especially the decorator.
Just finished a project in SS postcodes. Paid decorator £100 a day, chippy £120. Assuming that the tiler supplies the adhesive / grout for that, if just labour then expensive.
Especially the decorator.
Good quality of work and no slacking either ...
V8RX7 said:
You never mentioned qualified.
You said paperwork - to those in the trade that means contracts, receipts etc
Been in the trade for over 20 years working on contract and private work with most building connected trades and PAPERWORK also means certificates, and yes reciepts for work carried out by qualified tradesmen. Have you had building control sign off without gas certificates and electrical cetificates (paperwork) from the tradesmen who carried out the work???You said paperwork - to those in the trade that means contracts, receipts etc
bigtomski said:
I've just had quote from a Romanian bloke to do a bit of boxing in of some pipework, some regrouting and an access panel in the bath and he has just quoted me £280 a day.
Nearly fell off my chair when I read that.
I know i'm in London N1, but he really is trying it on.
i reckon he is confusing his fixed price with day rate!Nearly fell off my chair when I read that.
I know i'm in London N1, but he really is trying it on.
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