How difficult to prove...
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..an offence has been committed?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershi...
Assuming this 86 year old doesn't just make one cheese a year, but sells others to members of the public, what are the chances of police mounting successful case against her if one of her cheeses were to fall into the wrong hands?
Seems to me to be a bit OTT threatening an old lady when chees rounds are available in many supermarkets these days!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershi...
Assuming this 86 year old doesn't just make one cheese a year, but sells others to members of the public, what are the chances of police mounting successful case against her if one of her cheeses were to fall into the wrong hands?
Seems to me to be a bit OTT threatening an old lady when chees rounds are available in many supermarkets these days!
The article doesn't state explicitly, but I think the idea is that the police have warned the nice old lady cheesemaker that she may be open to a civil claim, rather than criminal prosecution, if someone is injured.
Seems to me like another one which should be laughed at. Bloke turns up at the top of a massive hill, lobs a cheese down it, then follows on. Any injury resulting from this surely must be attributed to Darwin, rather than a cheesemaker. That's like smashing your head against a brick wall then trying to sue the bloke who built it.
Simon.
Seems to me like another one which should be laughed at. Bloke turns up at the top of a massive hill, lobs a cheese down it, then follows on. Any injury resulting from this surely must be attributed to Darwin, rather than a cheesemaker. That's like smashing your head against a brick wall then trying to sue the bloke who built it.
Simon.
There is a question of liability insurance for events that the participants just turn up.
When a few blokes on a car related internet forum, agree via social media to meet at a little chef, drive through some tunnels, over a few welsh hills, before turning up at a rolling road where one of them collects the money and gives it to the rolling road operator, this could be seen to be an organised event and whoever suggested it, could be deemed to be the organiser, and liable for the hearing damage, of the participants.
When a few blokes on a car related internet forum, agree via social media to meet at a little chef, drive through some tunnels, over a few welsh hills, before turning up at a rolling road where one of them collects the money and gives it to the rolling road operator, this could be seen to be an organised event and whoever suggested it, could be deemed to be the organiser, and liable for the hearing damage, of the participants.
She may supply the cheese... But does she honestly openly encourage others to chase the bloody thing down the hill? And does the guy who starts it rolling stand there pushing people after it?
If people wanna chase a cheese down a hill, any resultant injury should be down to them.
Sounds like Darwinism at it's very best.
If people wanna chase a cheese down a hill, any resultant injury should be down to them.
Sounds like Darwinism at it's very best.
Pontoneer said:
I suspect the cop who gave the warning is just trying to prove who is the big cheese on his patch .
I guess if someone hurts their ankle they will manage to walk with a stilt on .
Perhaps E dam well forgot to think things through Caerphilly.I guess if someone hurts their ankle they will manage to walk with a stilt on .
If people want to stand at the top of a hill, and then rennet flat out downhill while the cheese makes its whey down at top speed then why not. This country needs a bit of con brie-o to life.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/gloucester-cheese-rolling...
Heard this on the news this morning. Should the officers or council officials issuing said warning be told to "f**k the f**k off".
Heard this on the news this morning. Should the officers or council officials issuing said warning be told to "f**k the f**k off".
ked and all involved should agree to support her. Grrrrr. I'm on an anti-meddling busybody tack this morning.The article mentions 'no medical cover or insurance'. Assuming that all participants aren't required to sign a disclaimer it does raise the question of who would be in the hot seat if someone - or in the event of a fatality or brain damage their family - decided to sue the organisers. Would she be classed as an 'organiser' of the event by supplying the cheese knowing its purpose?
Looks like there's another thread already running:
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At a guess, 'someone' asked the police to take action.
The police sent the newest youngest cop round to have a chat
The new cop gave some silly advice.
It's great advertising for the cheese roll.
As suggested on the radio this morning.
Perhaps they could chase baby bell, and if anyone is hurt they could sue the baby bell company.
The police sent the newest youngest cop round to have a chat
The new cop gave some silly advice.
It's great advertising for the cheese roll.
As suggested on the radio this morning.
Perhaps they could chase baby bell, and if anyone is hurt they could sue the baby bell company.
paintman said:
The article mentions 'no medical cover or insurance'. Assuming that all participants aren't required to sign a disclaimer it does raise the question of who would be in the hot seat if someone - or in the event of a fatality or brain damage their family - decided to sue the organisers. Would she be classed as an 'organiser' of the event by supplying the cheese knowing its purpose?
That's exactly the point, all they are doing is pointing out to her that she could potentially be liable if something goes wrong, all in the context that last time they did this 10,000 people turned up to a venue that could only handle 5,000. So given that they know that there could very easily be a problem they are being warned that they need to take responsibility for it and plan accordingly or else held liable.paintman said:
The article mentions 'no medical cover or insurance'. Assuming that all participants aren't required to sign a disclaimer it does raise the question of who would be in the hot seat if someone - or in the event of a fatality or brain damage their family - decided to sue the organisers. Would she be classed as an 'organiser' of the event by supplying the cheese knowing its purpose?
And that pretty much sums up the problem with modern life.Who would be in the hot seat? The person who got injured. Nobody else should be liable. Why should they be? No one is forcing them to take part, a unwritten disclaimer is signed by the participant the moment they take part - they know exactly what they are getting into and the risks associated with it. I went to this event a few years ago and it is pretty madcap, but everyone there knows what goes on and what they're letting themselves into, its just a sign of modern life that there must always be someone to blame other than the victim when bad things happen.
I know it just doesn't work like that in reality, but it really should - but then common sense has all but been eradicated in Modern Britain.
There's been rumblings to get this event banned for years now, but thankfully people just ignore it and keep turning up. IIRC its not an 'official' event anymore, its just an annual gathering. It can't be long until the council send heavies up there one year to forcibly remove people or fence off the area totally, all in the name of H&S.
Edited by Brigand on Friday 24th May 08:53
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