997 S Gen 1 vs Gen 2
Discussion
richardrsc said:
As one of the 'tiny few percent'(TM Porsche sales) of 997 gen 1 owners that is currently getting an engine rebuilt (at OPC expense), I'd stump up the extra and get a gen 2 if I was doing it again. The thought of keeping this car once the warantee's up doesn't appeal, much as I love it.
After its been rebuilt/replaced you spend £1k (Ish) at Hartech on preventative measures and it should last no?Wouldn't worry about a rebuilt engine especially if Porsche are paying :-)
Grant76 said:
itsybitsy said:
did not read this topic as it was not engine failure related.if magic919 had such a failure how comes it was never posted and what the actual reasons for failure were?so it was a 2008 c2s then.gen1 or gen 2 as both were built in this year?if it was a pdk apperently early cars suffered cooling due to not having the third radiator.and still not convinced that is borescoring due to the material coating on the piston and bore.if it is true about the pdk then most likely a heat seizure.
Did you buy the last keyboard in the shop?The one with no caps or spaces...
Why can't you get you're head round a few gen2 issues?
a few issues what issues?we know of the early pdk and fuel pump problems.magic919 may have had a random failure which can happen or it could be down to misuse,oilstarvation who knows but i doubt it was borescoring like what happens to gen 1 cars.was it under warranty or not due to overrevs?how was it treated in the first 16000 miles?
Edited by itsybitsy on Thursday 23 May 18:12
Anyway, back the OP's original question as it was interesting and relevant (to me anyway....)
itsybitsy said:
i thought this is a forum not a grammar lesson?
a few issues what issues?we know of the early pdk and fuel pump problems.magic919 may have had a random failure which can happen or it could be down to misuse,oilstarvation who knows but i doubt it was borescoring like what happens to gen 1 cars.was it under warranty or not due to overrevs?how was it treated in the first 16000 miles?
a few issues what issues?we know of the early pdk and fuel pump problems.magic919 may have had a random failure which can happen or it could be down to misuse,oilstarvation who knows but i doubt it was borescoring like what happens to gen 1 cars.was it under warranty or not due to overrevs?how was it treated in the first 16000 miles?
Edited by itsybitsy on Thursday 23 May 18:12
fastgerman said:
After its been rebuilt/replaced you spend £1k (Ish) at Hartech on preventative measures and it should last no?
Wouldn't worry about a rebuilt engine especially if Porsche are paying :-)
Yes, may well go that way once the warrantee has expired, it's just a bit of an annoyance really that Porsche aren't doing it themselves. Dealership have been good about it, no quarrels with them, but it really takes the shine off getting the car you always wanted, especially when you're looking at paying someone else to fix what many consider to be a design fault. And I hope no offense to Baz - but it's hard enough to quantify how many of these motors have this problem - let alone knowing how effective his fixes are. If it really is 5% or whatever that get it, what's the chance of 5% of them going wrong again after a rebuild? It's very hard to quantify.Wouldn't worry about a rebuilt engine especially if Porsche are paying :-)
I'd probably stop b
hing if I got a decent courtesy car 
Edited by richardrsc on Thursday 23 May 19:17
Edited by richardrsc on Thursday 23 May 19:18
jetbox said:
Diesel130,
It's a similar dilemma to me... I think we are following the same route. I just sold my 996. A Few weeks back and am looking for a 997. I posted a similar question a few week back regarding the differences.
I think gen 2 is worth the extra.
Good luck with your search
Thanks - i will search for your threadIt's a similar dilemma to me... I think we are following the same route. I just sold my 996. A Few weeks back and am looking for a 997. I posted a similar question a few week back regarding the differences.
I think gen 2 is worth the extra.
Good luck with your search
Ian_UK1 said:
Grant76 said:
Did you buy the last keyboard in the shop?
The one with no caps or spaces...
Why can't you get you're head round a few gen2 issues?
Does 1 reported issue in a 3.8 constitute 'a few'?The one with no caps or spaces...
Why can't you get you're head round a few gen2 issues?
I did a quick google search & found more than one.
itsybitsy said:
Grant76 said:
itsybitsy said:
did not read this topic as it was not engine failure related.if magic919 had such a failure how comes it was never posted and what the actual reasons for failure were?so it was a 2008 c2s then.gen1 or gen 2 as both were built in this year?if it was a pdk apperently early cars suffered cooling due to not having the third radiator.and still not convinced that is borescoring due to the material coating on the piston and bore.if it is true about the pdk then most likely a heat seizure.
Did you buy the last keyboard in the shop?The one with no caps or spaces...
Why can't you get you're head round a few gen2 issues?
a few issues what issues?we know of the early pdk and fuel pump problems.magic919 may have had a random failure which can happen or it could be down to misuse,oilstarvation who knows but i doubt it was borescoring like what happens to gen 1 cars.was it under warranty or not due to overrevs?how was it treated in the first 16000 miles?
Edited by itsybitsy on Thursday 23 May 18:12
I do though take your point on the fact that we don't know the factors which have brought some of these on.
Cheers, Grant
I've got a 7.1 C4s my first foray into Porsche ownership. The car has OPC warranty which I have had new gearbox cables and an A/C condenser under. So definitely worth the warranty!
However don't be put off by a post 06 7.1 with warranty as ALL cars at this age start to have issues, Porsche gen 1 engine design problems aside. I've had a new engine in an MX5, rebuilds in TVRs, I know people who have had new turbo engines etc etc...
Yes the Gen 1 has more engine issues over the gen 2, go in eyes wide with a warranty and you will be fine.
Infact if you are going to run what is an expensive sports car that is 8 years old I think the Porsche warranty is brilliant value for money.
Just make an informed decision, and remember no posts on an internet forum if there car worked perfectly today, only that the engine went bang!!!
However don't be put off by a post 06 7.1 with warranty as ALL cars at this age start to have issues, Porsche gen 1 engine design problems aside. I've had a new engine in an MX5, rebuilds in TVRs, I know people who have had new turbo engines etc etc...
Yes the Gen 1 has more engine issues over the gen 2, go in eyes wide with a warranty and you will be fine.
Infact if you are going to run what is an expensive sports car that is 8 years old I think the Porsche warranty is brilliant value for money.
Just make an informed decision, and remember no posts on an internet forum if there car worked perfectly today, only that the engine went bang!!!
However don't be put off by a post 06 7.1 with warranty as ALL cars at this age start to have issues, Porsche gen 1 engine problems aside. I've had a new engine in an MX5, rebuilds in TVRs, I know people who have had new turbo engines etc etc...
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I have owned numerous 997 and boxsters and touch wood haven't had one issue(yet) But the two BMW's that i have had for daily drive have both had circa4k bills for separate engine problems. There are no guarantees for hassle free motoring unfortunately , you can have problems with any marque.Porsche's have actually been the most reliable in my own experience, i understand this is not the same for everybody, but other manufacturers have problems just as serious as the ones discussed on this forum. You can eliminate some of the risk, the rest is down to luck!!
I owned a Gen 1 for about a year and then got a Gen 2 car.
The Gen 1 had little things going wrong with it all the time however in the last 6 months nothing has needed to be replaced on my Gen 2 car.
The interior is a bit nicer on the Gen 2 car but the Nav and Bluetooth are SO SO much better on the Gen 2 car! its more or less useless on the Gen 1 car.
The only downside is that the engine / exhaust note on the Gen 2 is not quite as good. Other then that I would recommend a Gen 2 all the way.
The Gen 1 had little things going wrong with it all the time however in the last 6 months nothing has needed to be replaced on my Gen 2 car.
The interior is a bit nicer on the Gen 2 car but the Nav and Bluetooth are SO SO much better on the Gen 2 car! its more or less useless on the Gen 1 car.
The only downside is that the engine / exhaust note on the Gen 2 is not quite as good. Other then that I would recommend a Gen 2 all the way.
It is not acceptable for any engine to have significant manufacturer design flaws. Wear and tear given is acceptable given adequate time and mileage is to be taken into consideration. However engine popping is not acceptable. Engines should be designed to last for 200,000 miles plus. If they have been designed to only have a 20,000-40,000 mile range or a 5 year lifespan then manufacturer should highlight this on their adverts. Mainstream manufacturers like Porsche should have high standards.
There has been a high failure rate with Gen 1 997s. At one point Porsche UK had back orders on engines for replacement.
I did not buy the 997 gen 1 for this very reason. When I come to replace my car in a few years I will be taking a relook at 911s. Hopefully the quality will be better then.
There has been a high failure rate with Gen 1 997s. At one point Porsche UK had back orders on engines for replacement.
I did not buy the 997 gen 1 for this very reason. When I come to replace my car in a few years I will be taking a relook at 911s. Hopefully the quality will be better then.
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