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EDL leader Tommy Robinson being interviewed after Wednesday's events. He actually makes some good points.
http://m.youtube.com/?reload=3&rdm=mn804ygi#/w...
redanimal said:
EDL leader Tommy Robinson being interviewed after Wednesday's events. He actually makes some good points.
http://m.youtube.com/?reload=3&rdm=mn804ygi#/w...
He certainly does!http://m.youtube.com/?reload=3&rdm=mn804ygi#/w...
Sorry richtea78 and Tallbutbuxomly, I was referring to normal rounds not hollow points.
I think he said when he was on Radio 4 that the bullet went through him. In one side and out the other.
I've taken a photo of a .303 round in flight.
I think he said when he was on Radio 4 that the bullet went through him. In one side and out the other.
I've taken a photo of a .303 round in flight.
Edited by carinaman on Saturday 25th May 01:37
Well a normal round is designed to pass through so that it wounds rather than kills. A wounded soldier needs far more resources than a dead one so from a combat perspective it's better to wound than kill outright.
For the police a round passing through could be dangerous to someone not intended so they want it to stop in the body
I'm sure the stopping power of a bullet depends on its mass hence why the Desert Eagle is a 50 caliber round?
My knowledge from bullets comes mainly from watching Mack and others on the discovery channel though I do know there is no boat house in Hereford.
For the police a round passing through could be dangerous to someone not intended so they want it to stop in the body
I'm sure the stopping power of a bullet depends on its mass hence why the Desert Eagle is a 50 caliber round?
My knowledge from bullets comes mainly from watching Mack and others on the discovery channel though I do know there is no boat house in Hereford.
daveydave7 said:
We would probably be advised to "stay calm" it wasn't in the name of Islam it was simply a blah de blah
I don't know for sure but I think that would really cause mayhem
One thing I am sick of apart from all the apologists is the fact that the day after the BBC has to just has to allow that
"preacher" Anjem Choudary more publicity.
It is really about time someone put a bullet in thats head the BBC would be better advised to have had some in depth interviews with some reps of the muslim council or other such bodies and allowed them to condemn it / condone it / justify it/ when you put a cocky stty wordsmith like Anjem Choudary you just know he is going to be controversial.
Oh and I hope that others phone gets smashed down his throat you know who you are you cocky piece of st and you stepped over a line
I don't know for sure but I think that would really cause mayhem
One thing I am sick of apart from all the apologists is the fact that the day after the BBC has to just has to allow that
"preacher" Anjem Choudary more publicity.It is really about time someone put a bullet in that
s head the BBC would be better advised to have had some in depth interviews with some reps of the muslim council or other such bodies and allowed them to condemn it / condone it / justify it/ when you put a cocky stty wordsmith like Anjem Choudary you just know he is going to be controversial.Oh and I hope that other
s phone gets smashed down his throat you know who you are you cocky piece of st and you stepped over a line
Seriously though, maybe you do need to stay calm?
Oh, wait...
Why don't the police or justice system do the right thing and make a simple announcement:
"Following the brutal attack and killing of a serving soldier earlier this week, the killers have been clearly identified and detained by the British police.... We now wish to inform the public that the 2 perpetrators are no longer with us"
Thank you and goodnight.
2 dead bad guys, no more glorification, debate, finger pointing and cost to the UK tax payer.
"Following the brutal attack and killing of a serving soldier earlier this week, the killers have been clearly identified and detained by the British police.... We now wish to inform the public that the 2 perpetrators are no longer with us"
Thank you and goodnight.
2 dead bad guys, no more glorification, debate, finger pointing and cost to the UK tax payer.
bridgdav said:
Why don't the police or justice system do the right thing and make a simple announcement:
"Following the brutal attack and killing of a serving soldier earlier this week, the killers have been clearly identified and detained by the British police.... We now wish to inform the public that the 2 perpetrators are no longer with us"
Thank you and goodnight.
2 dead bad guys, no more glorification, debate, finger pointing and cost to the UK tax payer.
Because then they would get exactly what they want. "Following the brutal attack and killing of a serving soldier earlier this week, the killers have been clearly identified and detained by the British police.... We now wish to inform the public that the 2 perpetrators are no longer with us"
Thank you and goodnight.
2 dead bad guys, no more glorification, debate, finger pointing and cost to the UK tax payer.
Kepp 'em alive for as long as possible. They are failures.
Colonial said:
Because then they would get exactly what they want.
Kepp 'em alive for as long as possible. They are failures.
My point was more to the point that, the killers and their religion are getting more airplay and paper coverage than the victim, support for our soldiers and prevention.Kepp 'em alive for as long as possible. They are failures.
AndyBrew said:
Just seen the family of Lee on the news, very distressing and really brings what these monsters have done home. I feel so angry about it and I am struggling to maintain a sensible view on things, I hate those b@stards that committed this act with every bone in my body and I hope they suffer all manner of dispicable horrors for the rest of their worthless lives.
RIP Lee
While of course over in arab land no family will ever be slightly upset about the family members being killed by a drone strike.RIP Lee
McWigglebum4th said:
While of course over in arab land no family will ever be slightly upset about the family members being killed by a drone strike.
Hacking at a man in a London street is going to do their cause no favours WHAT SO EVER ! Those that have a problem with it should take it up politically and show how wrong it is to get the public on their side.People like those scum will never EVER win and just put their own law abiding communities in more danger of attack as has already happened! These people just cause more and more hate, suspicion and division.
Edited by Westy Pre-Lit on Saturday 25th May 07:39
Mr_B said:
Has anything actually emerged of how the attack took place yet ? So we think we know they run him down in a car and attacked him afterwards. As he wasn't in uniform, how did they know he was a soldier, did they approach him first suspecting it because of his H4H shirt and near the barracks ? I haven't read a single thing or heard anyone mention anything except before the moment they attacked him after running him down.
How did they know he wasn't a muslim himself ? I wonder if the attackers knew the soldier from a previous occasion. It seems a bit random on their part to select a target on account their clothing.
Westy Pre-Lit said:
McWigglebum4th said:
While of course over in arab land no family will ever be slightly upset about the family members being killed by a drone strike.
Hacking at a man in a London street is going to do their cause no favours WHAT SO EVER ! Those that have a problem with it should take it up politically and show how wrong it is to get the public on their side.People like those scum will never EVER win and just put their own law abiding communities in more danger of attack as has already happened! These people just cause more and more hate, suspicion and division.
Tell our leaders who are "saving" us
Westy Pre-Lit said:
Hacking at a man in a London street is going to do their cause no favours WHAT SO EVER ! Those that have a problem with it should take it up politically and show how wrong it is to get the public on their side.
People like those scum will never EVER win and just put their own law abiding communities in more danger of attack as has already happened! These people just cause more and more hate, suspicion and division.
Judging by many posts on this thread people who do have a problem with our invasions of 2 Muslim countries will never get anywhere convincing the British public that it is wrong, most seem to think that when it comes to Muslims there is no such thing as an innocent victim.People like those scum will never EVER win and just put their own law abiding communities in more danger of attack as has already happened! These people just cause more and more hate, suspicion and division.
Edited by Westy Pre-Lit on Saturday 25th May 07:39
Every action has a reaction and the 7/7 bombings and the murder in Woolwich are just that.
Mr_B said:
Has anything actually emerged of how the attack took place yet ? So we think we know they run him down in a car and attacked him afterwards. As he wasn't in uniform, how did they know he was a soldier, did they approach him first suspecting it because of his H4H shirt and near the barracks ? I haven't read a single thing or heard anyone mention anything except before the moment they attacked him after running him down.
How did they know he wasn't a muslim too ? I wonder if the killers had some previous contact with the soldier. It seems a bit random to select a victim simply on their clothing.
Edited by Meteor Madness on Saturday 25th May 08:15
MarshPhantom said:
Judging by many posts on this thread people who do have a problem with our invasions of 2 Muslim countries will never get anywhere convincing the British public that it is wrong, most seem to think that when it comes to Muslims there is no such thing as an innocent victim.
Every action has a reaction and the 7/7 bombings and the murder in Woolwich are just that.
It didn't work for the Irish and it certainly isn't going to work for them. These people need to understand that.Every action has a reaction and the 7/7 bombings and the murder in Woolwich are just that.
Edited by Westy Pre-Lit on Saturday 25th May 09:25
Westy Pre-Lit said:
Bombing the crap out of Muslims is going to do our cause no favours WHAT SO EVER ! Those that have a problem with it should take it up politically and show how wrong it is to get the public on their side.
People like those scum will never EVER win and just put their own law abiding communities in more danger of attack as has already happened! These people just cause more and more hate, suspicion and division.
This also makes sense...People like those scum will never EVER win and just put their own law abiding communities in more danger of attack as has already happened! These people just cause more and more hate, suspicion and division.
Luther Blisset said:
Westy Pre-Lit said:
Bombing the crap out of Muslims is going to do our cause no favours WHAT SO EVER ! Those that have a problem with it should take it up politically and show how wrong it is to get the public on their side.
People like those scum will never EVER win and just put their own law abiding communities in more danger of attack as has already happened! These people just cause more and more hate, suspicion and division.
This also makes sense...People like those scum will never EVER win and just put their own law abiding communities in more danger of attack as has already happened! These people just cause more and more hate, suspicion and division.
carinaman said:
You may want to have a listen this around twenty minutes in:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01sjn68
There's three people talking about how the media have covered it.
I watched Choudray on the Channel 4 News earlier in the week. He didn't get my blood boiling as much as his planned coffin protest in 2010. I just thought he's a muppet. I can put him on my muppet yardstick along with some non-religious people I had the misfortune to deal with a supposed professional capacity last year.
You'd think any right thinking Muslims would be visiting Choudray and his ilk in person rather like the police leant on the 86 year old cheese maker in Glos.
I will listen to that link later on - thankshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01sjn68
There's three people talking about how the media have covered it.
I watched Choudray on the Channel 4 News earlier in the week. He didn't get my blood boiling as much as his planned coffin protest in 2010. I just thought he's a muppet. I can put him on my muppet yardstick along with some non-religious people I had the misfortune to deal with a supposed professional capacity last year.
You'd think any right thinking Muslims would be visiting Choudray and his ilk in person rather like the police leant on the 86 year old cheese maker in Glos.
The point about my comment about they could have got people on from some muslim group to condemn/ condone etc is that if they did then people would make a decision about their reaction based on what they said whereas with Choudry you absolutely know in advance he will twist it and make some "clever clever" comment that will be picked up upon and broadcast. The comment will then be dismissed as the comments of a fringe muslim leader who doesn't speak for the majority etc, it's lazy journalism in my opinion
I make my position very clear on this I am rascist though some say islamist Ist I don't apologise for that I have very strong personal reasons and those that choose to snigger at those reasons can fook off. But even though I admit that which is a damn site more honest than some of the "I'm not rascist .... but" types, I don't see that Choudry is representative he frequently gets dismissed as not speaking for etc etc.
So it just seems almost as if "hey terrorist/ islamist atrocity let's call up Choudry he will be good for a quote".
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