Rape Gang - How'd they get away with it for so long?

[Pesty]

M159V8 said:

I do not know what's best for me, I believe in a greater power, and if I didn't have my religion I'd be doing everything I wanted, regardless of consequences to myself and others around me. Anyway, I admire your honesty and self control. If only the rest of humanity had that frame of mind too.

Your feelings towards me are mutual.

That is a very scary post. Everything you wanted despite the consequences wow, You sound mentally ill to me. Glad the book is helping.

Meanwhile the religion of peace has blown up a bus of female students then attacked the hospital where they were taken. Funny how they keep getting the wrong messages from that book of yours.

[Mermaid]

Pesty said:

...Meanwhile the religion of peace has blown up a bus of female students then attacked the hospital where they were taken. Funny how they keep getting the wrong messages from that book of yours.

No doubt there will be many who will defend those actions.

[Muntu]

M159V8 said:

Muntu said:

I can't imagine that such a person exists in all honesty, do you?

Yes, I've come across quite a few people who seem to have a lot to say regarding the subject but have never actually opened the book themselves.

I have a confession that I would like to maker public regarding the modern day Prophet, David Icke (Peace Be Upon Him): I have never read any of the Hadiths that he publishes so regularly, and are avidly read and believed by his many disciples across the planet.

However, this does not stop me from forming a valid opinion of what he writes in his Hadiths. He is full of st. You know it, I know it.

Do you get where I am coming from?

[grumbledoak]

M159V8 said:

Well if we're quoting...

Well said. And pretty brave given the thread. You sound like a decent guy.

The problem is that along with the good lessons are some less nice ones, and 'believers' are free to choose the ones that suit their desires. The Bible is the same(*), don't get me wrong. The difference is that Islam is currently where Christianity was a thousand years ago. Many of us don't want that back.

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* I thoroughly recommend "Ken's Guide to the Bible" as a study aid.

[Bill]

supersingle said:

However, reading a translation is a pretty shocking awakening and doesn't match the 'religion of peace' nonsense we get from CameronCleggJohnson et al.

I urge all non-Muslims to read it.

I haven't seen anyone outside PH call it the religion of peace, anyone know where the RoP nonsense started?

Anyway, this doesn't have anything much to do with the topic in question, unless anyone can show me the bit in the Koran where it says "Ply the daughters of thine enemy with drink and drugs and rape them, for this is not adultery. Oh, it's ok if you have some booze too."

[Pesty]

grumbledoak said:

M159V8 said:

Well if we're quoting...

Well said. And pretty brave given the thread. You sound like a decent guy.

The problem is that along with the good lessons are some less nice ones, and 'believers' are free to choose the ones that suit their desires. The Bible is the same(*), don't get me wrong. The difference is that Islam is currently where Christianity was a thousand years ago. Many of us don't want that back.

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* I thoroughly recommend "Ken's Guide to the Bible" as a study aid.

Im sure he is.

But his post above sounds to me like he is brain washed. Without his rligion he would go off the rais regardless of the consequences, this makes me wonder what his true feelings are towards the kafir, kuffar ive seen various spellings if thats what he thinks he would be like what does he think of the rest of us who dont belive in his made up sky daddy?
Nobody else think that post is odd?


Ps why is he brave ? Ph is a good place to converse with people of different opinions.

Bill said:

I haven't seen anyone outside PH call it the religion of peace, anyone know where the RoP nonsense started?

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Hi bill im not sure but it has been used widely for a while not just on here. I believe it stems from muslim spokespeople saying after things like 9/11 etc etc its nothing o do with islam because islam is the religion of peace.
Which it is of course its just a few get the message wrong.

Edited by Pesty on Sunday 16th June 11:19

[M159V8]

grumbledoak said:

Well said. And pretty brave given the thread. You sound like a decent guy.

The problem is that along with the good lessons are some less nice ones, and 'believers' are free to choose the ones that suit their desires. The Bible is the same(*), don't get me wrong. The difference is that Islam is currently where Christianity was a thousand years ago. Many of us don't want that back.

Thank you.

The point I'm trying to make is, even if I died and there wasn't a God (which I thoroughly believe there is) I'd be happy with the way this religion encouraged me to live my life

I respect everyone's beliefs, whether you're Atheist, Christian or whatever, its your life, live it how you want. (This is also something encouraged by Islam)

There was a time for me, when I started asking questions and looking for answers. Fortunately I didn't have to look far to find them

As for the rape gang, purely cultural issue.

[M159V8]

Pesty said:

Im sure he is.

But his post above sounds to me like he is brain washed. Without his rligion he would go off the rais regardless of the consequences, this makes me wonder what his true feelings are towards the kafir, kuffar ive seen various spellings if thats what he thinks he would be like what does he think of the rest of us who dont belive in his made up sky daddy?
Nobody else think that post is odd?

Brainwashed My 'true feelings' towards the kuffar (kuffar is the plural of kafir, basically means disbeliever) are mentioned in my post above.

You are entitled to believe what you want, I have plenty of Atheist/Christian or whatever peers/friends and no we don't spend the whole time debating religion and telling each other who is right or wrong. Also, regarding what I think of people who believe there is no God;

M159V8 said:

Bacardi said:

Why do you have to be 'taught' it?
It is perfectly natural to me to be honest and do what is right. I don't need an imaginary friend to understand this.

I admire your honesty and self control. If only the rest of humanity had that frame of mind too.

[Mr_B]

M159V8 said:

I do not know what's best for me, I believe in a greater power, and if I didn't have my religion I'd be doing everything I wanted, regardless of consequences to myself and others around me. Anyway, I admire your honesty and self control. If only the rest of humanity had that frame of mind too.

Your feelings towards me are mutual.

What has your religion stopped you from doing exactly ? Your post makes it sound like you feel the need within you to do something, but are held back, plus it sounds like you are sure without it, its almost automatic you would be doing these things, whatever they are.

[Pesty]

Glad to hear it. As you say pity he rest of humanity do not feel the same.

Mind you i guess you still believe i will burn in hell for all eternity because im not a muslim?

Im glad youare posting on here, it keeps us honest even if you are cheery picking the good bits of the koran and ignoring the bad bits. It seems to me the biggest probkem is he various iterpritations of the book.

[M159V8]

Mr_B said:

What has your religion stopped you from doing exactly ? Your post makes it sound like you feel the need within you to do something, but are held back, plus it sounds like you are sure without it, its almost automatic you would be doing these things, whatever they are.

Drinking, drugs, fornication, to name but a few

ETA: Off topic, but have you got a resto thread for your M3 up somewhere? Hoping it's the red E30

Edited by M159V8 on Sunday 16th June 11:54

[M159V8]

Pesty said:

Glad to hear it. As you say pity he rest of humanity do not feel the same.

Mind you i guess you still believe i will burn in hell for all eternity because im not a muslim?

Im glad youare posting on here, it keeps us honest even if you are cheery picking the good bits of the koran and ignoring the bad bits. It seems to me the biggest probkem is he various iterpritations of the book.

I believe that everyone should try and be the best person they can possibly be, regardless of race or religion, and what God wants to do, He will do.

[Pesty]

M159V8 said:

I believe that everyone should try and be the best person they can possibly be, regardless of race or religion, and what God wants to do, He will do.

Are you in politics? If not you should go into it.

Thats a very good way to evade the question, you know full well that allah will send me to hell regardless of how good i have been. Thats what he wishes for none muslims inshallah.

[M159V8]

Pesty said:

Are you in politics? If not you should go into it.

Thats a very good way to evade the question, you know full well that allah will send me to hell regardless of how good i have been. Thats what he wishes for none muslims inshallah.

I have no interest in politics whatsoever

And you never know, after all, he is the most merciful

[Pesty]

I' ll look forward to it. I wont get 72 virgins though

[Mr_B]

M159V8 said:

Drinking, drugs, fornication, to name but a few

ETA: Off topic, but have you got a resto thread for your M3 up somewhere? Hoping it's the red E30

Edited by M159V8 on Sunday 16th June 11:54

The M3 ( indeed the one in the profile pic ) is a big pile of parts, a complete bare and slightly rusty shell with not a nut and bolt on it. Been like that for a few years now but will hopefully start doing something this year.
If I ever felt I've sinned in some way to a higher power, then letting the M3 sit and rust is the only thing I feel guilty about

[Smiler.]

M159V8 said:

grumbledoak said:

Well said. And pretty brave given the thread. You sound like a decent guy.

The problem is that along with the good lessons are some less nice ones, and 'believers' are free to choose the ones that suit their desires. The Bible is the same(*), don't get me wrong. The difference is that Islam is currently where Christianity was a thousand years ago. Many of us don't want that back.

Thank you.

The point I'm trying to make is, even if I died and there wasn't a God (which I thoroughly believe there is) I'd be happy with the way this religion encouraged me to live my life

I respect everyone's beliefs, whether you're Atheist, Christian or whatever, its your life, live it how you want. (This is also something encouraged by Islam)

There was a time for me, when I started asking questions and looking for answers. Fortunately I didn't have to look far to find them

As for the rape gang, purely cultural issue.

Interesting point.

Not a loaded question, but what is your opinion of the way certain others (albeit perhaps a minority) appear to be encouraged to live their life because of said religion?

[M159V8]

Mr_B said:

letting the M3 sit and rust is the only thing I feel guilty about

And rightfully so!

[M159V8]

Smiler. said:

what is your opinion of the way certain others (albeit perhaps a minority) appear to be encouraged to live their life because of said religion?

I'm assuming you're talking extremists/terrorists/'jihadists'?

In my opinion, they are the lowest of the low.

Not only do they degrade my religion in the view of others, but they believe they're part of it at the same time. There is no reason why they should be doing what they're doing, and quite frankly, it pisses me off, because Muslims like me, and in fact, every other Muslim I know (I know many), get tarnished with the same brush. There is absolutely no justification for the killing of innocent people in Islam whatsoever.

When horrific acts like this are committed, people need to understand that every citizen of this country suffers and is affected by it, and that includes Muslims.

[Magog]

carinaman said:

Pretty unpleasant stuff:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b02q78p4

Girl gets raped in her own home when mum is out at work. Runs away next evening as she knows it will happen again, they come back set fire to the house and her little brother dies. No one ever convicted. Those responsible still taunt her today. Seems scarcely believable.