RE: TVR's new owner: PH Meets
Discussion
Heathyboy said:
Great news. I heard from a reliable source that they are in fact making a new model. It is a 23ltr W16 Quadruple Turbo ChimaCerbaGriff - but I'm not interested because apparently it will have flappy gear change - really flappy ones.
This must be true. I heard this too. Or was that from you? ...can't remember.Anyway, friend of a friend sent me this picture from Les' R&D department for the flappy paddle gearshift.
For TVR to live longer than 3 years - I would listen to the current UK owners - but I wouldn't base a whole business around it.
The survival and business growth money is elsewhere ( and not on this continent )
Dumb question follows.
Lotus Evora - Really really nice handling and rather respectable performance car. Reasonably pretty too. Priced well. Doesn't sell enough to be viable.
What could Les learn from this to turn lead into gold?
The survival and business growth money is elsewhere ( and not on this continent )
Dumb question follows.
Lotus Evora - Really really nice handling and rather respectable performance car. Reasonably pretty too. Priced well. Doesn't sell enough to be viable.
What could Les learn from this to turn lead into gold?
Troubleatmill said:
Lotus Evora - Really really nice handling and rather respectable performance car. Doesn't sell enough to be viable.
Q: What could Les learn from this to turn lead into gold?
A: Don't try to invent a new niche for a questionably styled, mid-engined 2+2 with a Japanese V6 standing high above the rear axle.Q: What could Les learn from this to turn lead into gold?
Shouldn't be too hard to avoid that particular can of worms.
Troubleatmill said:
Lotus Evora -.Reasonably pretty too. Priced well. Doesn't sell enough to be viable.
You might think it's pretty, but the general consensus is that it looks s
t. But I understand that some people like to gloss over that fact, or ignore it as they'd like to see a British car doing well, perhaps. Hence your use of the word 'reasonably'. Unfortunately, that just isn't enough.I don't think looks should be underestimated. Undoubtedly one of the biggest factors for sports car purchasers when deciding to buy. If manufacturers get this wrong, even just slightly, they'll suffer. Period.
J4CKO said:
Right, bored with all this now, until there are some concrete details I am going to ignore these threads, realistically Mr Edgar has just bought the company and with the best will in the world it will take a while to get something to market, if it happens, I don't think we can sustain this level of speculation and interest.
^ Very true. In all probability it'll be at least 2-3 years before cars roll off the line. Just imagine where this thread and all that speculation will have ended up in the meantime!wemorgan said:
J4CKO said:
Right, bored with all this now, until there are some concrete details I am going to ignore these threads, realistically Mr Edgar has just bought the company and with the best will in the world it will take a while to get something to market, if it happens, I don't think we can sustain this level of speculation and interest.
^ Very true. In all probability it'll be at least 2-3 years before cars roll off the line. Just imagine where this thread and all that speculation will have ended up in the meantime!DonkeyApple said:
Why assume that the first part of the project was buying the brand? It could just as easily be the final part of the project.
Good point. But I've not heard of any R&D jobs going for a new small OEM/kit car company in the past year or two, so assumed he was just at the beginning of his journey. So here is my proposal based on the fact that any new car must have EEC small series type approval amd meet the EEC emission laws.
There are some exeptions for small manufacturers type approval, e.g. pedestrian protection, crash testing, etc,, BUT there is no way around the emission and noise laws.
The only way to guarantee a long term business plan is to approach a major car manufacturer for selling engine, drivetrain, ECU, etc and helping to make everything work together.
The german small series manufacturer Wiesmann proved it can be done with help from BMW, even Morgan is on the right track with their partnerships with Ford and BMW.
Achieving EURO 6 emission with all the control modes will be even harder.
Making an ABS, TC and ESP system working and getting it type approved is not doable without support of one of the major players.
So what about asking Audi for getting the TT-RS drivetrain with all the components plus all the comfort installations like heating and AC system and build a car around them.
The 5 cylinder engine is good for 400-450bhp and EURO 6 and creates an awesome noise, 4WD will enhance driving dynamics and experience..
Make it light, let's say around 1100KG, which should be achievable based on the fact that a TT-RS is only 1400KG and you will have the ultimate driving machine which will eat all GT3's for breakfast.
Another benefit would be that any Audi dealership can help with engine or electrics problems and therefore will help with trust in reliability.
Christof
There are some exeptions for small manufacturers type approval, e.g. pedestrian protection, crash testing, etc,, BUT there is no way around the emission and noise laws.
The only way to guarantee a long term business plan is to approach a major car manufacturer for selling engine, drivetrain, ECU, etc and helping to make everything work together.
The german small series manufacturer Wiesmann proved it can be done with help from BMW, even Morgan is on the right track with their partnerships with Ford and BMW.
Achieving EURO 6 emission with all the control modes will be even harder.
Making an ABS, TC and ESP system working and getting it type approved is not doable without support of one of the major players.
So what about asking Audi for getting the TT-RS drivetrain with all the components plus all the comfort installations like heating and AC system and build a car around them.
The 5 cylinder engine is good for 400-450bhp and EURO 6 and creates an awesome noise, 4WD will enhance driving dynamics and experience..
Make it light, let's say around 1100KG, which should be achievable based on the fact that a TT-RS is only 1400KG and you will have the ultimate driving machine which will eat all GT3's for breakfast.
Another benefit would be that any Audi dealership can help with engine or electrics problems and therefore will help with trust in reliability.
Christof
christof said:
So here is my proposal based on the fact that any new car must have EEC small series type approval amd meet the EEC emission laws.
There are some exeptions for small manufacturers type approval, e.g. pedestrian protection, crash testing, etc,, BUT there is no way around the emission and noise laws.
The only way to guarantee a long term business plan is to approach a major car manufacturer for selling engine, drivetrain, ECU, etc and helping to make everything work together.
The german small series manufacturer Wiesmann proved it can be done with help from BMW, even Morgan is on the right track with their partnerships with Ford and BMW.
Achieving EURO 6 emission with all the control modes will be even harder.
Making an ABS, TC and ESP system working and getting it type approved is not doable without support of one of the major players.
So what about asking Audi for getting the TT-RS drivetrain with all the components plus all the comfort installations like heating and AC system and build a car around them.
The 5 cylinder engine is good for 400-450bhp and EURO 6 and creates an awesome noise, 4WD will enhance driving dynamics and experience..
Make it light, let's say around 1100KG, which should be achievable based on the fact that a TT-RS is only 1400KG and you will have the ultimate driving machine which will eat all GT3's for breakfast.
Another benefit would be that any Audi dealership can help with engine or electrics problems and therefore will help with trust in reliability.
Christof
Build it around an Audi platform and I, for one, am oot. Especially 4WD!There are some exeptions for small manufacturers type approval, e.g. pedestrian protection, crash testing, etc,, BUT there is no way around the emission and noise laws.
The only way to guarantee a long term business plan is to approach a major car manufacturer for selling engine, drivetrain, ECU, etc and helping to make everything work together.
The german small series manufacturer Wiesmann proved it can be done with help from BMW, even Morgan is on the right track with their partnerships with Ford and BMW.
Achieving EURO 6 emission with all the control modes will be even harder.
Making an ABS, TC and ESP system working and getting it type approved is not doable without support of one of the major players.
So what about asking Audi for getting the TT-RS drivetrain with all the components plus all the comfort installations like heating and AC system and build a car around them.
The 5 cylinder engine is good for 400-450bhp and EURO 6 and creates an awesome noise, 4WD will enhance driving dynamics and experience..
Make it light, let's say around 1100KG, which should be achievable based on the fact that a TT-RS is only 1400KG and you will have the ultimate driving machine which will eat all GT3's for breakfast.
Another benefit would be that any Audi dealership can help with engine or electrics problems and therefore will help with trust in reliability.
Christof
It needs to be as simple and light as possible with as many horses and few driver aids as possible.
christof said:
The 5 cylinder engine is good for 400-450bhp and EURO 6 and creates an awesome noise, 4WD will enhance driving dynamics and experience..
4WD??? Are you mad???christof said:
Make it light, let's say around 1100KG, which should be achievable based on the fact that a TT-RS is only 1400KG and you will have the ultimate driving machine which will eat all GT3's for breakfast.
Save weight by not having it 4WD - I think an integral part of the TVR DNA is RWD.Sounds like you want an Audi TT without the 4 rings and a TVR badge...
900T-R said:
Um, enhanced dynamics and Audi? Ever seen where the engine is in relation to the front axle? 
It always amused me that, back when Ferrari first proclaimed that they had mounted the engine behind the front axle in their new front-engined car and invented the "front mid-engined" concept, and the motoring press collectively wet themselves like an excited puppy, that both TVR and Caterham had already been doing that for years. Audi, by contrast, have almost always slung their engines out way forward of the axle line (R8 excepted). It's almost like the reverse of the Porsche 911.
Tyre Tread said:
christof said:
So here is my proposal based on the fact that any new car must have EEC small series type approval amd meet the EEC emission laws.
There are some exeptions for small manufacturers type approval, e.g. pedestrian protection, crash testing, etc,, BUT there is no way around the emission and noise laws.
The only way to guarantee a long term business plan is to approach a major car manufacturer for selling engine, drivetrain, ECU, etc and helping to make everything work together.
The german small series manufacturer Wiesmann proved it can be done with help from BMW, even Morgan is on the right track with their partnerships with Ford and BMW.
Achieving EURO 6 emission with all the control modes will be even harder.
Making an ABS, TC and ESP system working and getting it type approved is not doable without support of one of the major players.
So what about asking Audi for getting the TT-RS drivetrain with all the components plus all the comfort installations like heating and AC system and build a car around them.
The 5 cylinder engine is good for 400-450bhp and EURO 6 and creates an awesome noise, 4WD will enhance driving dynamics and experience..
Make it light, let's say around 1100KG, which should be achievable based on the fact that a TT-RS is only 1400KG and you will have the ultimate driving machine which will eat all GT3's for breakfast.
Another benefit would be that any Audi dealership can help with engine or electrics problems and therefore will help with trust in reliability.
Christof
Build it around an Audi platform and I, for one, am oot. Especially 4WD!There are some exeptions for small manufacturers type approval, e.g. pedestrian protection, crash testing, etc,, BUT there is no way around the emission and noise laws.
The only way to guarantee a long term business plan is to approach a major car manufacturer for selling engine, drivetrain, ECU, etc and helping to make everything work together.
The german small series manufacturer Wiesmann proved it can be done with help from BMW, even Morgan is on the right track with their partnerships with Ford and BMW.
Achieving EURO 6 emission with all the control modes will be even harder.
Making an ABS, TC and ESP system working and getting it type approved is not doable without support of one of the major players.
So what about asking Audi for getting the TT-RS drivetrain with all the components plus all the comfort installations like heating and AC system and build a car around them.
The 5 cylinder engine is good for 400-450bhp and EURO 6 and creates an awesome noise, 4WD will enhance driving dynamics and experience..
Make it light, let's say around 1100KG, which should be achievable based on the fact that a TT-RS is only 1400KG and you will have the ultimate driving machine which will eat all GT3's for breakfast.
Another benefit would be that any Audi dealership can help with engine or electrics problems and therefore will help with trust in reliability.
Christof
It needs to be as simple and light as possible with as many horses and few driver aids as possible.
Chilli
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