Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2
Discussion
Media coverage of scorchio global warming this year said:
Nadym had been enjoying days of tropical weather (30 deg C) before people were quickly
forced to change their t-shirts and shorts for coats and scarves.
Sub-zero conditions are normal for the region through the long winter but are rare for June, when the sun gives people a brief but hot summer.
That can be easily fixed, somebody call for Viner forced to change their t-shirts and shorts for coats and scarves.
Sub-zero conditions are normal for the region through the long winter but are rare for June, when the sun gives people a brief but hot summer.
Guam said:
Leaving aside everything we know about the scam for a moment.
The irony oozes from this piece given the nature of those high up the foord chain of AGW
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2341988/Ar...
All of the major theocrats of global warming fly at least business class, clearly carbon aneliorisation is only for the plebs
Politicians and NGOs - Worse than previously thought™.The irony oozes from this piece given the nature of those high up the foord chain of AGW
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2341988/Ar...
All of the major theocrats of global warming fly at least business class, clearly carbon aneliorisation is only for the plebs
Globs said:
chris watton said:
odyssey2200 said:
anyone seen Ludo or Kerplunk recently?
Perhaps the online antagonising fund has dried up from GW Central....
Not everyone is prepared to accept that the new warming is cold...
Various disciples appear to be losing the faith.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/15/google-hango...
This informative piece from Monckton explains why acolytes including the Mystic Met Mob have twisted knickers atm.
This snip was particularly entertaining.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/15/google-hango...
This informative piece from Monckton explains why acolytes including the Mystic Met Mob have twisted knickers atm.
Monckton said:
What is far from clear is the influence, if any, from CO2. Its influence must be very small, for it seems easily overwhelmed by natural influences such as the PDO and the three phenomena studied by SteveF (volcanic aerosols, solar cycles and ENSO).
The true cause (of global warming) may be another and more sinister man-made phenomenon: Orwellian data revisionism.
Monckton over at WUWT looks at how data revisionism hypes global warmingThe true cause (of global warming) may be another and more sinister man-made phenomenon: Orwellian data revisionism.
This snip was particularly entertaining.
Monckton also said:
Late in 2009, after the first Climategate emails had been sprung on a naively unsuspecting world, Roger Harrabin of the BBC, an acquiescent true-believer in the global-warming Party Line, was told by his superiors that for the sake of what little is left of the BBC’s reputation he should – just for once – ask Professor Jones of the University of East Anglia some critical questions about the temperature record.
Harrabin had never before stopped to think about whether the Party Line was true. That is the trouble with the Party Line: as Orwell points out in 1984, it is intended as a substitute for independent thought – or for any thought.
So he did not know what questions to ask. He asked me for help in framing suitable critical questions.
I told him to ask Jones whether there had been any statistically-significant global warming over the previous 15 years. He thought that was an absurd question. The Party Line said warming was occurring at a rate unprecedented in human history.
I told him to ask the question anyway. To his astonishment, Jones – albeit testily – admitted there had been no warming statistically distinguishable from zero for 15 years.
I also told Harrabin to ask Jones whether the rates of warming during the three “warming” phases of the PDO in the instrumental record since 1850 were statistically distinguishable from one another.
Harrabin got a further surprise when Jones told him that the three rates could not be distinguished from one another, statistically speaking.
Harrabin had never before stopped to think about whether the Party Line was true. That is the trouble with the Party Line: as Orwell points out in 1984, it is intended as a substitute for independent thought – or for any thought.
So he did not know what questions to ask. He asked me for help in framing suitable critical questions.
I told him to ask Jones whether there had been any statistically-significant global warming over the previous 15 years. He thought that was an absurd question. The Party Line said warming was occurring at a rate unprecedented in human history.
I told him to ask the question anyway. To his astonishment, Jones – albeit testily – admitted there had been no warming statistically distinguishable from zero for 15 years.
I also told Harrabin to ask Jones whether the rates of warming during the three “warming” phases of the PDO in the instrumental record since 1850 were statistically distinguishable from one another.
Harrabin got a further surprise when Jones told him that the three rates could not be distinguished from one another, statistically speaking.
"True cost of Britain's wind farm industry revealed
Every job in Britain’s wind farm industry is effectively subsidised to the extent of £100,000 per year, The Telegraph can disclose."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/...
"A new analysis of government and industry figures shows that wind turbine owners received £1.2billion in the form of a consumer subsidy, paid by a supplement on electricity bills last year. They employed 12,000 people, to produce an effective £100,000 subsidy on each job.
The disclosure is potentially embarrassing for the wind industry, which claims it is an economically dynamic sector that creates jobs. It was described by critics as proof the sector was not economically viable, with one calling it evidence of “soft jobs” that depended on the taxpayer.
The subsidy was disclosed in a new analysis of official figures, which showed that:
• The level of support from subsidies in some cases is so high that jobs are effectively supported to the extent of £1.3million each;
• In Scotland, which has 203 onshore wind farms — more than anywhere else in the UK — just 2,235 people are directly employed to work on them despite an annual subsidy of £344million. That works out at £154,000 per job;
"• Even if the maximum number of jobs that have been forecast are created, by 2020 the effective subsidy on them would be £80,000 a year.
One source, who owns several wind farms, and did not wish to be named, said: “Anybody trying to justify subsidies on the basis of jobs created is talking nonsense. Wind farms are not labour intensive.”
There has been mounting controversy about the value of both onshore and offshore wind farms, with discontent among back-bench Conservative MPs."
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What a complete waste of our money!
Every job in Britain’s wind farm industry is effectively subsidised to the extent of £100,000 per year, The Telegraph can disclose."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/...
"A new analysis of government and industry figures shows that wind turbine owners received £1.2billion in the form of a consumer subsidy, paid by a supplement on electricity bills last year. They employed 12,000 people, to produce an effective £100,000 subsidy on each job.
The disclosure is potentially embarrassing for the wind industry, which claims it is an economically dynamic sector that creates jobs. It was described by critics as proof the sector was not economically viable, with one calling it evidence of “soft jobs” that depended on the taxpayer.
The subsidy was disclosed in a new analysis of official figures, which showed that:
• The level of support from subsidies in some cases is so high that jobs are effectively supported to the extent of £1.3million each;
• In Scotland, which has 203 onshore wind farms — more than anywhere else in the UK — just 2,235 people are directly employed to work on them despite an annual subsidy of £344million. That works out at £154,000 per job;
"• Even if the maximum number of jobs that have been forecast are created, by 2020 the effective subsidy on them would be £80,000 a year.
One source, who owns several wind farms, and did not wish to be named, said: “Anybody trying to justify subsidies on the basis of jobs created is talking nonsense. Wind farms are not labour intensive.”
There has been mounting controversy about the value of both onshore and offshore wind farms, with discontent among back-bench Conservative MPs."
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What a complete waste of our money!
"Pinch yourself. This deserves a headline: ‘Met Office shock announcement: Britain’s weather is normal.’ "
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Article said:
Centuries ago, when astronomers found it hard to square their observations with the then-orthodox theory that the Earth lay at the centre of the universe, they invented the concept of ‘epicycles’, convoluted wobbles and twists that supposedly accounted for such discrepancies.
Citing some cold British winters and unsettled summers as evidence of climate change has about as much credibility. I suppose we should be thankful that unlike the bogus epicycles, such efforts are not, as yet, being enforced by the Inquisition.
Citing some cold British winters and unsettled summers as evidence of climate change has about as much credibility. I suppose we should be thankful that unlike the bogus epicycles, such efforts are not, as yet, being enforced by the Inquisition.
Edited by turbobloke on Sunday 16th June 09:35
Open letter from Dr Piers Corbyn of WeatherAction to Mystic Met's chief priest.
John Hirst, Chief Executive
The Met Office,
FitzRoy Road,
Exeter,
Devon,
EX1 3PB
Dear Chief Executive
Met Office 'Summit' Tue 18 June on Unusual UK weather
Further to Press announcements** on this important meeting I am
writing to request you invite me and up to two or so associates from
WeatherAction long range weather & climate forecasters to contribute
at this event in order to answer the vital questions on the reasons
for these extreme economically damaging weather situations and to
reliably predict them in coming years and decades.
A Met Office spokesman said concerning this meeting: "We have seen a
run of unusual seasons in the UK and northern Europe, such as the cold
winter of 2010, last year's wet weather and the cold spring this
year." You may be aware that we at WeatherAction specifically
long-range predicted these and all the extreme wet Summers and extreme
cold (parts of) Winters since 2007 whereas standard approaches
generally gave forecasts which were the opposite [eg BBQ summers which
turned out as very floody and 'The end of snow in winter' by the end
of last decade whereas a run of snowy winters occurred].
I would explain in a short presentation:
1. The reasons for these unusual weather situations
2. Give a general forecast for UK (and N Hemisphere) climate and more
detailed weather event trends for the coming 25 to 30 years.
3. Explain how The Met Office could help develop more detail in such
Long Range forecasting and assist in producing reliable long range
forecasts for most countries in the world.
4. Give some specific forecasts of extreme, damaging, costly
events/situations coming later this year.
5. Explain how Met Office and WeatherAction co-operating could develop
10 day ahead forecasts of the reliability and skill of present Met
Office one day ahead forecasts.
If you think this can help serve the stated purpose of the meeting and
the Met Office Charter please get in touch.
Thank you
Piers Corbyn ARCS, MSc, FRAS, FRMetS
Director WeatherAction
Long Range weather & Climate forecasters
Not much chance, but you never know.
John Hirst, Chief Executive
The Met Office,
FitzRoy Road,
Exeter,
Devon,
EX1 3PB
Dear Chief Executive
Met Office 'Summit' Tue 18 June on Unusual UK weather
Further to Press announcements** on this important meeting I am
writing to request you invite me and up to two or so associates from
WeatherAction long range weather & climate forecasters to contribute
at this event in order to answer the vital questions on the reasons
for these extreme economically damaging weather situations and to
reliably predict them in coming years and decades.
A Met Office spokesman said concerning this meeting: "We have seen a
run of unusual seasons in the UK and northern Europe, such as the cold
winter of 2010, last year's wet weather and the cold spring this
year." You may be aware that we at WeatherAction specifically
long-range predicted these and all the extreme wet Summers and extreme
cold (parts of) Winters since 2007 whereas standard approaches
generally gave forecasts which were the opposite [eg BBQ summers which
turned out as very floody and 'The end of snow in winter' by the end
of last decade whereas a run of snowy winters occurred].
I would explain in a short presentation:
1. The reasons for these unusual weather situations
2. Give a general forecast for UK (and N Hemisphere) climate and more
detailed weather event trends for the coming 25 to 30 years.
3. Explain how The Met Office could help develop more detail in such
Long Range forecasting and assist in producing reliable long range
forecasts for most countries in the world.
4. Give some specific forecasts of extreme, damaging, costly
events/situations coming later this year.
5. Explain how Met Office and WeatherAction co-operating could develop
10 day ahead forecasts of the reliability and skill of present Met
Office one day ahead forecasts.
If you think this can help serve the stated purpose of the meeting and
the Met Office Charter please get in touch.
Thank you
Piers Corbyn ARCS, MSc, FRAS, FRMetS
Director WeatherAction
Long Range weather & Climate forecasters
Not much chance, but you never know.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-made...
Complaining that made up science and false results is damaging our international standing . . . but no mention of climate science, yet.
Complaining that made up science and false results is damaging our international standing . . . but no mention of climate science, yet.
George111 said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-made...
Complaining that made up science and false results is damaging our international standing . . . but no mention of climate science, yet.
Probably because they realise it's not science!Complaining that made up science and false results is damaging our international standing . . . but no mention of climate science, yet.
Also from the entirely unbiased wordsmiths Independent ...
Bob Ward attempting to shut down the GWPF
Hmm.
Isn't the set up he works for a tax avoiding charity misleading the public and making political statements? Or have I got that wrong? Maybe it's just a PR organisation.
Bob Ward attempting to shut down the GWPF
Hmm.
Isn't the set up he works for a tax avoiding charity misleading the public and making political statements? Or have I got that wrong? Maybe it's just a PR organisation.
ds are running scared.LongQ said:
Also from the entirely unbiased wordsmiths Independent ...
Bob Ward attempting to shut down the GWPF
Hmm.
Isn't the set up he works for a tax avoiding charity misleading the public and making political statements? Or have I got that wrong? Maybe it's just a PR organisation.
"The use of factually inaccurate material without a legitimate basis in science..."Bob Ward attempting to shut down the GWPF
Hmm.
Isn't the set up he works for a tax avoiding charity misleading the public and making political statements? Or have I got that wrong? Maybe it's just a PR organisation.
Is that a complaint about the IPCC?
Meanwhile over at CA: Briffa Condemns Mann Reconstructions
http://climateaudit.org/2013/06/16/briffa-condemns...
AnonSpoilSport said:
George111 said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-made...
Complaining that made up science and false results is damaging our international standing . . . but no mention of climate science, yet.
Probably because they realise it's not science!Complaining that made up science and false results is damaging our international standing . . . but no mention of climate science, yet.
Diderot said:
There is that of ourse, but let's not forget the £50 odd billion the govt steals from us each year from VED which of course requires the fairy tale of MMGW for its existence. They're not going to be giving that up n a hurry.
Although that is linked to CO2 for years europe has had graduated car tax, and as we are governed by the EU commission I suspect that is here to stay, it was just convenient to market the change as 'CO2 related'.It'll just be re-branded as a consumption tax etc.
The real issue here is the free money for wind subsidy farm owners, who are rather better represented in government than we are.
LongQ said:
Also from the entirely unbiased wordsmiths Independent ...
Bob Ward attempting to shut down the GWPF
Hmm.
Isn't the set up he works for a tax avoiding charity misleading the public and making political statements? Or have I got that wrong? Maybe it's just a PR organisation.
Reading that piece it seems more like a speculative PR exercise - rather like entering a winding up order against a rival firm on some trumped up debt and then shouting about it to all and sundry, even though it will be dismissed as soon as someone reads the details. Mud sticks etc.Bob Ward attempting to shut down the GWPF
Hmm.
Isn't the set up he works for a tax avoiding charity misleading the public and making political statements? Or have I got that wrong? Maybe it's just a PR organisation.
What's the odds for a hosepipe ban by the end of the week?
New offshore wind investment body could create 30,000 jobs by 2020
Business and energy minister Michael Fallon has announced the creation of an Offshore Wind Investment Organisation (OWIO) to boost levels of inward investment and to further stimulate jobs in the UK offshore wind industry....
.....The minister said: “Offshore wind is a major success story for the UK, and we want to boost levels of inward investment. This will be an important part of our industrial strategy for the sector later this year, and we are creating the Offshore Wind Investment Organisation to drive that activity.”
http://www.eaem.co.uk/news/new-offshore-wind-inves...
Has it really?
Business and energy minister Michael Fallon has announced the creation of an Offshore Wind Investment Organisation (OWIO) to boost levels of inward investment and to further stimulate jobs in the UK offshore wind industry....
.....The minister said: “Offshore wind is a major success story for the UK, and we want to boost levels of inward investment. This will be an important part of our industrial strategy for the sector later this year, and we are creating the Offshore Wind Investment Organisation to drive that activity.”
http://www.eaem.co.uk/news/new-offshore-wind-inves...
Has it really?
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