Prometheus - Ridley Scott's 'Alien Prequel' (or not)...
Discussion
graphene said:
Take away some of the visual spectacle and Fastbender's performance, and it falls very short of the hype and promotion and potential.
take those away, and what you have is a film of amateur film-makers proportions.Uni students could likely produce a better film than what we all had the displeasure of sitting through
TankRS said:
graphene said:
Take away some of the visual spectacle and Fastbender's performance, and it falls very short of the hype and promotion and potential.
take those away, and what you have is a film of amateur film-makers proportions.Uni students could likely produce a better film than what we all had the displeasure of sitting through
However its also true that take away certain parts of ANY film and what you're left with is dire.
Take away the Krypton part of Man of Steel and what you're left with is a s
t version of Transformers 3 - if such a thing is possibe.
graphene said:
Well, despite the flawed script writing, script changes etc.., someone with a clue should have spotted the problems during the whole process...like the director or some of the cast? Everyone just thought: big budget/cast; pay day; it will right on the night; not our problem. Take away some of the visual spectacle and Fastbender's performance, and it falls very short of the hype and promotion and potential.
The trick Potter, is not noticing flawed script writing, script changes, poor performances!I don't think you can blame the cast for it, poor individual performances perhaps, but it was more than likely shot out of sequence, the script changed during shooting and of course probably to a lot of greenscreen they probably didn't have a very clear idea of the film until they saw the final cut.
I still hold out hope that all the awfulness was carefully crafted to make a knock-out sequel, after all, that can be the ONLY bloody reason why they didn't just make a cracking sci-fi horror film with probably the best 'universe' in the history of the genre at their disposal, instead of going out of their way to distance themselves from it as much as humanly possible without just trying something new.
I mean Jesus Christ, it's like making a film about the fall of Krypton, but then making a film about Jor-El's next door neighbour, who almost sends his Son to another planet in the opposite direction of Earth, but then doesn't - I can see the pitch now "Yeah, well we could have made a prequel to one of the best known and loved film franchises in the world, but we thought, nah, fk that st, too easy, lets make one about another Kryptonion who doesn't feature in the Superman Story at all" "oh, and lets make it st".
I still hold out hope that all the awfulness was carefully crafted to make a knock-out sequel, after all, that can be the ONLY bloody reason why they didn't just make a cracking sci-fi horror film with probably the best 'universe' in the history of the genre at their disposal, instead of going out of their way to distance themselves from it as much as humanly possible without just trying something new.
I mean Jesus Christ, it's like making a film about the fall of Krypton, but then making a film about Jor-El's next door neighbour, who almost sends his Son to another planet in the opposite direction of Earth, but then doesn't - I can see the pitch now "Yeah, well we could have made a prequel to one of the best known and loved film franchises in the world, but we thought, nah, f
k that st, too easy, lets make one about another Kryptonion who doesn't feature in the Superman Story at all" "oh, and lets make it st". P-Jay said:
I mean Jesus Christ, it's like making a film about the fall of Krypton, but then making a film about Jor-El's next door neighbour, who almost sends his Son to another planet in the opposite direction of Earth, but then doesn't - I can see the pitch now "Yeah, well we could have made a prequel to one of the best known and loved film franchises in the world, but we thought, nah, fk that st, too easy, lets make one about another Kryptonion who doesn't feature in the Superman Story at all" "oh, and lets make it st".
EXACTLY, k that st, too easy, lets make one about another Kryptonion who doesn't feature in the Superman Story at all" "oh, and lets make it st". - It's an alien prequel,
- Err actually I've change my mind, it isn't
- Well OK it sort of is but is isn't if you see what I mean
Just make your effin mind up and stick to it instead of coming up with a half baked mess which neither pleases the original fans nor does a good job of drawing in new ones.
Guvernator said:
EXACTLY,
- It's an alien prequel,
- Err actually I've change my mind, it isn't
- Well OK it sort of is but is isn't if you see what I mean
Just make your effin mind up and stick to it instead of coming up with a half baked mess which neither pleases the original fans nor does a good job of drawing in new ones.
As far as i was aware it was always geared to be a parrallel-quel, was it ever anything other?- It's an alien prequel,
- Err actually I've change my mind, it isn't
- Well OK it sort of is but is isn't if you see what I mean
Just make your effin mind up and stick to it instead of coming up with a half baked mess which neither pleases the original fans nor does a good job of drawing in new ones.
Aphex said:
As far as i was aware it was always geared to be a parrallel-quel, was it ever anything other?
it was only ever going to be considered a prequel as far as I could see/read online.the introduction of the face huggers/alien xenomorphs. the Giant bad guy in the seat as they found in Aliens, acidic blood, etc
I know they could just as easily have been considered as nods to the original Alien franchise. But in honesty what's the point.
Prometheus should have been either a remake of the franchise, as Hollywood is currently fascinated with atm, or as an Aliens Prequel and sticking to it.
TankRS said:
it was only ever going to be considered a prequel as far as I could see/read online.
the introduction of the face huggers/alien xenomorphs. the Giant bad guy in the seat as they found in Aliens, acidic blood, etc
I know they could just as easily have been considered as nods to the original Alien franchise. But in honesty what's the point.
Prometheus should have been either a remake of the franchise, as Hollywood is currently fascinated with atm, or as an Aliens Prequel and sticking to it.
The later leaked stuff was purely about the space jockeys? If you had something as special as the Alien franchise, you wouldn't cheapen it with prequels, you'd run something alongside it with small nods to each otherthe introduction of the face huggers/alien xenomorphs. the Giant bad guy in the seat as they found in Aliens, acidic blood, etc
I know they could just as easily have been considered as nods to the original Alien franchise. But in honesty what's the point.
Prometheus should have been either a remake of the franchise, as Hollywood is currently fascinated with atm, or as an Aliens Prequel and sticking to it.
Aphex said:
The later leaked stuff was purely about the space jockeys? If you had something as special as the Alien franchise, you wouldn't cheapen it with prequels, you'd run something alongside it with small nods to each other
I have no idea about sources. It was stuff I read years ago, it's been a long time.Not sure why you think a prequel would cheapen it. It was the only way to go after others had made a hash of sequels. Rather than continue in that vein Scott wanted to go back to his own work in a personal manner and set it up, but then it morphed. I would guess too many cooks, and Scott not being set on a vision.
Halb said:
I have no idea about sources. It was stuff I read years ago, it's been a long time.
Not sure why you think a prequel would cheapen it. It was the only way to go after others had made a hash of sequels. Rather than continue in that vein Scott wanted to go back to his own work in a personal manner and set it up, but then it morphed. I would guess too many cooks, and Scott not being set on a vision.
When you look at the scripts, speights one tied in alien and Prometheus but efforts were made to change it so that the two never crossed so that it wouldn't be a prequel. If you find the time to back it up then it all makes for interesting reading but afaik the plan didn't deviate.Not sure why you think a prequel would cheapen it. It was the only way to go after others had made a hash of sequels. Rather than continue in that vein Scott wanted to go back to his own work in a personal manner and set it up, but then it morphed. I would guess too many cooks, and Scott not being set on a vision.
Will see what I can dig up
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