Discussion
carinaman said:
I've mentioned this in other threads, I've good friends that have three kids. The middle one that's about to get to secondary school has been involved in one of these school gate operations.
They've been involved in three accidents in cars driven by their parents. So where are they more at risk, at school or around the school gates or when they're passengers in cars driven by their parents?
Because we live in a digital world where there can only ever be two positions on any issue including road safety?They've been involved in three accidents in cars driven by their parents. So where are they more at risk, at school or around the school gates or when they're passengers in cars driven by their parents?
Because doubting the religion that is recycling automatically means one hates Polar Bears and can't wait for them to become extinct?
Aren't Polar Bears just white Grizzlies that like fishing and swimming? They both eat humans given the chance.
Braking distances and the chances of getting hit by the car, bus, truck or motorcycle would be an ideal way to bring friction into the classroom?
Prizam said:
La Liga said:
The cost of a few small high-viz jackets?
The kids who are put into a schemes like this are (often) the ones the police and council are trying to stop being the next generation of criminals.
By empowering some one who is "Criminally" minded? Infact, scrap that... Empowering kids?The kids who are put into a schemes like this are (often) the ones the police and council are trying to stop being the next generation of criminals.
catso said:
La Liga said:
The kids who are put into a schemes like this are (often) the ones the police and council are trying to stop being the next generation of criminals.
Or to brainwash with 'speed kills' propaganda... 
ED209 said:
Watching bbc news now and there banging on about road saftey outside a school somewhere.
It appears the school as a gang of "junior PCSO's" about 8-10 years old wearing high viz jackets with a police crest. Apparently these vastly experienced drivers with loads of legal powers stand outside the school telling motorists off for speeding and bad parking.
What a bloody stupid idea, puts them at risk,and how the hell does an 8 year old know if a car is speeding or not?
Is this a one off idiotic scheme or is it in operation in a few places??
I take it you arnt interested in "road saftey outside a school somewhere" then ?It appears the school as a gang of "junior PCSO's" about 8-10 years old wearing high viz jackets with a police crest. Apparently these vastly experienced drivers with loads of legal powers stand outside the school telling motorists off for speeding and bad parking.
What a bloody stupid idea, puts them at risk,and how the hell does an 8 year old know if a car is speeding or not?
Is this a one off idiotic scheme or is it in operation in a few places??
10 Pence Short said:
Assuming they're not in danger of being run over, I don't see what the problem is? As I see it anything that reminds drivers of the vulnerability of children is a good thing.
Of course, that won't stop some people becoming inexplicably angry, but that's life.
It has nothing to do with reminding drivers of the vulnerability of children. That can easily be done using speed bumps, signs, cameras etc.Of course, that won't stop some people becoming inexplicably angry, but that's life.
This is all to do with 'catching them early' and indoctrinating them with a conformist mentality. Shame on the parents for letting it happen and not taking the responsibility for educating their own kids in basic life.
ED209 said:
Is this a one off idiotic scheme or is it in operation in a few places??
It's happened elsewhere, there was a thread on PH about a bloke who had been taken to court after swearing when stopped by one of these schemes. I think they're a horrendous idea, I'd rather the kids were taught about the green cross code and road safety, as that is what will keep them safe.This thread is a perfect example of how it's impossible to please all of the people all of the time, or even some people any of the time.
Some people think you should teach children about road safety...
Some people think you should teach children about road safety...
Hooli said:
Why not teach kids not to run into the road etc
Some people think you shouldn't...Fozziebear said:
Shouldn't they be in the classroom being educated?
Some people would prefer you teach them about road safety from the safety of a classroom, and pretend that children never walk outside the school gates...ED209 said:
What a bloody stupid idea, puts them at risk
And some people seem to assume children aren't taught to take responsibility for crossing the road themselves, and perhaps don't realise what a great opportunity standing by a road with a speed gun is to talk to children about *why* they need to take care near a road, and to show them first hand how bad they are at judging speed and distance.catso said:
Or to brainwash with 'speed kills' propaganda...
It's a great idea, with many benefits for teaching children about taking responsibility for their own safety near roads. They can even collect the data on what speeds vehicles are doing, to give them some real world data to make maths lessons a bit more interesting later in the day. It's a shame that some people can be so paranoid and blinkered that their first reaction is to assume that someone is out to get them and get angry about it, rather than take the time to find out what the positives are.Rovinghawk said:
La Liga said:
You have no experience of the scheme and how it's run and who it is targeted at.
I have no experience of gang rape but I can still think it's a bad idea.REALIST123 said:
This is all to do with 'catching them early' and indoctrinating them with a conformist mentality. Shame on the parents for letting it happen and not taking the responsibility for educating their own kids in basic life.
No it isn't. You have no experience of the scheme and how it's run and who it is targeted at. Rovinghawk said:
La Liga said:
You have no experience of the scheme and how it's run and who it is targeted at.
That is an uninformed assumption, the same as you accuse others of making.Will this either:
a) progress into a meaningful debate that benefits both parties, or
b) deteriorate into a traditional PH argument?
Fastest finger first!
Rovinghawk said:
La Liga said:
You have no experience of the scheme and how it's run and who it is targeted at.
That is an uninformed assumption, the same as you accuse others of making.Rovinghawk said:
La Liga said:
You have no experience of the scheme and how it's run and who it is targeted at.
I have no experience of gang rape but I can still think it's a bad idea.So it's not uninformed given the way you're wanting to present yourself.
Here's your chance to be clear, let me know your experiences about diversionary activities for kids who've often been removed from violent and abusive environments, or are in lesser stages and severities of social services' intervention. Then let me know why this particular scheme doesn't work.
Gillett66 said:
But statistically speaking, 9 out of 10 people enjoy it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22110443Keep school kids off of roads using the proven technology that is the electric fence?
Have minors got more probability of getting run over or tampered with by their teachers and 'carers'?
MrTrilby said:
This thread is a perfect example of how it's impossible to please all of the people all of the time, or even some people any of the time.
Some people think you should teach children about road safety...
It's down to parents or carers to teach children how to cross the road without being run over, well that's in a world were parents take responsibility of their offspring. Teachers are there to deliver an education package, not road safety and speed awareness courses. I guess that world be a perfect world of people not blaming others for their lack of self responsibilitySome people think you should teach children about road safety...
Hooli said:
Why not teach kids not to run into the road etc
Some people think you shouldn't...Fozziebear said:
Shouldn't they be in the classroom being educated?
Some people would prefer you teach them about road safety from the safety of a classroom, and pretend that children never walk outside the school gates...ED209 said:
What a bloody stupid idea, puts them at risk
And some people seem to assume children aren't taught to take responsibility for crossing the road themselves, and perhaps don't realise what a great opportunity standing by a road with a speed gun is to talk to children about *why* they need to take care near a road, and to show them first hand how bad they are at judging speed and distance.catso said:
Or to brainwash with 'speed kills' propaganda...
It's a great idea, with many benefits for teaching children about taking responsibility for their own safety near roads. They can even collect the data on what speeds vehicles are doing, to give them some real world data to make maths lessons a bit more interesting later in the day. It's a shame that some people can be so paranoid and blinkered that their first reaction is to assume that someone is out to get them and get angry about it, rather than take the time to find out what the positives are.La Liga said:
Here's your chance to be clear, let me know your experiences about diversionary activities for kids who've often been removed from violent and abusive environments, or are in lesser stages and severities of social services' intervention.
Pretty much none; please consider yourself now fully informed.La Liga said:
Then let me know why this particular scheme doesn't work.
I never said anything about its merits or otherwise with respect to turning little yobs into potential prime ministers. I was disputing your assertion that only the inner sanctum were fit to hold opinions on the subject.I will say that I would prefer the kids to be inside the classroom being educated in subjects other than 'speed kills' indoctrination & 'Officialdom 101'.
Edited by Rovinghawk on Wednesday 19th June 14:59
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