New Michelin Pilot Power 3 tyres
Discussion
Mr OCD said:
R1gtr said:
Anyone got/considering the Metzeler M5's?
Time for new boots here, may give them a try off the back of that review.
Was thinking the same... Time for new boots here, may give them a try off the back of that review.
Just replaced the rear power 3 on my s3r after 1947 miles, loads left on the sides unlike the rosso corsas previously, they had very little left on the sides and nothing in the middle.
All fun mileage and no comuting.
Cant fault the tyres bar their price, just fitted a 2ct , cost me £107 from M&P's
Will see how this one lasts
Mark
All fun mileage and no comuting.
Cant fault the tyres bar their price, just fitted a 2ct , cost me £107 from M&P's
Will see how this one lasts
Mark
Well I got to use these in anger today... Straight away they feel very soft with so much feel it is weird ... Give you utter confidence to push on a little bit harder than you usually would as they feel so planted ... Very progressive turning unlike the old pilot powers that drop on their side fast but still effortless directional changes ...
I've done nearly 200 miles today on them and I'm amazed just how good they are ...
As mentioned it will be interesting to see how they wear...
I've done nearly 200 miles today on them and I'm amazed just how good they are ...
As mentioned it will be interesting to see how they wear...
Just returned from a 2,000 mile road trip to the Pyrenees on brand new Pilot Power 3 tyres fitted to a Ducati 1098R just last week. They performed brilliantly for fairly aggressive road riding (to the edges on 190/55s or regularly to within 0.5cm of the edge). But push them hard (on twisty tarmac) and they overheated and went off after about 20-30mins hard/spirited riding in the heat (between 23-30 C air temp). Only about 350 miles in total out of the 2,000 miles were spent on the motorway (mostly getting to the ferry and the return from Folkestone), and the remainder were on "avoid motorways" - in particular the epic roads throughout the Pyrenees including most of the N152 and N260 and many others. It rained for 1 day out of the 7, and at the end of this week, they are now starting to both square off (very slightly) and the grip level is noticeably reduced compared to the first 1,800 miles. In the damp/wet, they were very reassurring and never put a foot wrong, except on particularly slippy painted tarmac ribbons.
Overall, the PP3s are a very impressive tyre that I will probably get a new set for the Tuono for normal road tyre duty. However, the Pirelli Diablo Rosso Corsas offer more outright dry grip and longevity in the heat (ie, better for occasional track use I think), plus they are more responsive than the PP3s. PP3s edge out the DRCs in the wet. Overall, the PP3s must be one of the leading sports road tyres imho.
Overall, the PP3s are a very impressive tyre that I will probably get a new set for the Tuono for normal road tyre duty. However, the Pirelli Diablo Rosso Corsas offer more outright dry grip and longevity in the heat (ie, better for occasional track use I think), plus they are more responsive than the PP3s. PP3s edge out the DRCs in the wet. Overall, the PP3s must be one of the leading sports road tyres imho.
Finally I can give my review having done around 1000miles since the suspension was setup.
I can now concentrate on the tyres performance. My findings are quite revelatory really. Softest tyre I've had, I know its subjective but for road riding I cannot image a situation where I will need more grip than these can provide. Confidence levels are very high, I'm happy to throw the bike around with abandon and get on the power very early with no protest from the rear.
Initial turn in is quick and in general they steer quickly as a sports tyre should. Compared to the Pilot Power 2cts I had....harder to say obviously as we are talking about small bits here and there but occasionally, just occasionally the pp2 would slip slightly and just in general feel less sure footed. Can't make track comparisons yet but I have a Brands Hatch evening session booked for the 1st July so will see how they perform.
Even this morning in damp conditions I had way more confidence than normal, providing a very sure footing, which is a marked improvement over the pp2 of which I was never that happen with their wet weather performance.
I can now concentrate on the tyres performance. My findings are quite revelatory really. Softest tyre I've had, I know its subjective but for road riding I cannot image a situation where I will need more grip than these can provide. Confidence levels are very high, I'm happy to throw the bike around with abandon and get on the power very early with no protest from the rear.
Initial turn in is quick and in general they steer quickly as a sports tyre should. Compared to the Pilot Power 2cts I had....harder to say obviously as we are talking about small bits here and there but occasionally, just occasionally the pp2 would slip slightly and just in general feel less sure footed. Can't make track comparisons yet but I have a Brands Hatch evening session booked for the 1st July so will see how they perform.
Even this morning in damp conditions I had way more confidence than normal, providing a very sure footing, which is a marked improvement over the pp2 of which I was never that happen with their wet weather performance.
Is this something to be concerned about, ridge developing where the compound changes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcfadzOUFtU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcfadzOUFtU
Richyboy said:
Is this something to be concerned about, ridge developing where the compound changes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcfadzOUFtU
Nah I don't think it will be an issue... the softer compound has harder compound under it ... the tyres will be spent before it becomes a problem.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcfadzOUFtU
Also don't know if anyone noticed but the tread is deeper in the middle than on the sides.
Been playing with tyre pressures... Michelin and the Handbook quotes 36 front / 42 rear ... I've always run these on the road but the local tyre place set them at 36 front / 36 rear without me realising and doing over 200 miles on them before I checked them.
Got to say I prefer the 'feel' from the rear tyre when it's set to 36 rather than 42 for some reason... but suspect they will wear prematurely ... so will use 42 for commuting and possibly reduce for weekend blats.
Thoughts?
Edited by Mr OCD on Wednesday 19th June 15:48
I always ran my GSXR by the book pressures, which were 36/42 but the 848 book says more like 32/36. I thought that was too low but the OE tyres were Supercorsas so I guess they are expected to be hot. I've been running the Power 3s at the 32/36 and they seem fine though.
I'm getting a full suspension setup done this Friday so I'm going to ask advice on tyre pressures too, for both road and track.
I'm getting a full suspension setup done this Friday so I'm going to ask advice on tyre pressures too, for both road and track.
andyp79 said:
I always ran my GSXR by the book pressures, which were 36/42 but the 848 book says more like 32/36. I thought that was too low but the OE tyres were Supercorsas so I guess they are expected to be hot. I've been running the Power 3s at the 32/36 and they seem fine though.
I'm getting a full suspension setup done this Friday so I'm going to ask advice on tyre pressures too, for both road and track.
Be interested to hear the outcome... never really understood tyre pressures properly on bikes hence have stuck with the book figures.I'm getting a full suspension setup done this Friday so I'm going to ask advice on tyre pressures too, for both road and track.
Similar here.
I know that the hotter they get the higher the pressure goes, and the general advice is to drop them a bit for track use as they get hotter than on the road, but other than that I have no idea.
I leave them at the book pressure and maybe vary a little but very rarely. Generally if they feel ok at the book pressure I stick with that. I'm pretty much of the opinion that the book knows better than me unless I can prove otherwise, but have never needed to.
Andy
I know that the hotter they get the higher the pressure goes, and the general advice is to drop them a bit for track use as they get hotter than on the road, but other than that I have no idea.
I leave them at the book pressure and maybe vary a little but very rarely. Generally if they feel ok at the book pressure I stick with that. I'm pretty much of the opinion that the book knows better than me unless I can prove otherwise, but have never needed to.
Andy
andyp79 said:
Similar here.
I know that the hotter they get the higher the pressure goes, and the general advice is to drop them a bit for track use as they get hotter than on the road, but other than that I have no idea.
I leave them at the book pressure and maybe vary a little but very rarely. Generally if they feel ok at the book pressure I stick with that. I'm pretty much of the opinion that the book knows better than me unless I can prove otherwise, but have never needed to.
Andy
Likewise... but when you start reading into it you find out others are using lower pressures on the road for some reason... they can't ALL be retarded... must be a reason I know that the hotter they get the higher the pressure goes, and the general advice is to drop them a bit for track use as they get hotter than on the road, but other than that I have no idea.
I leave them at the book pressure and maybe vary a little but very rarely. Generally if they feel ok at the book pressure I stick with that. I'm pretty much of the opinion that the book knows better than me unless I can prove otherwise, but have never needed to.
Andy
Haha. Guess you could be right.
Was out tonight, 20 degrees but all of it on crappy, messy, rutted, knackered surfaces... the tyres were faultless. The rider however... well that's another matter. One of rides where nothing was feeling right. Except the tyres. They're f'kin brilliant.
Andy
Was out tonight, 20 degrees but all of it on crappy, messy, rutted, knackered surfaces... the tyres were faultless. The rider however... well that's another matter. One of rides where nothing was feeling right. Except the tyres. They're f'kin brilliant.
Andy
andyp79 said:
Haha. Guess you could be right.
Was out tonight, 20 degrees but all of it on crappy, messy, rutted, knackered surfaces... the tyres were faultless. The rider however... well that's another matter. One of rides where nothing was feeling right. Except the tyres. They're f'kin brilliant.
Andy
Was out tonight, 20 degrees but all of it on crappy, messy, rutted, knackered surfaces... the tyres were faultless. The rider however... well that's another matter. One of rides where nothing was feeling right. Except the tyres. They're f'kin brilliant.
Andy
It happens... I usually just go home and polish something instead...
...Bored of riding up and down the motorway this week so a ride is in order this weekend if the weather plays ball ...
As promised - back from Alps and nearly 2000 miles on the Power 3s. Riding was from freezing in snow in mountains to 37 degrees and sweltering. Torrential rain to boiling smooth tarmac.
Sum up - superb in all conditions!! Only when really pushing on in the valleys in the heat does the rear exhibit a slightly 'grainy' feeling as it overheats. I had one proper slide in the dry, but it was gentle and not scary once over the limit in spite of properly cracking on at the time, cranked over and hard on the throttle at high revs in 2nd gear.
From a wear point of view, the rear started at 5.5mm when new and now has 3.5mm left in the middle. The riding was probably overall a bit gentler than I usually do, but this is still a record for me for tyre life. At this rate and resuming my normal UK pace, that will mean around 3500-4000 miles out of the rear.
Absolutely fantastic rubber for fast road work and holds it's own in very mixed conditions with good feedback and ride quality regardless of surface and temperature.
They have kept their profile well too. Only downer is that they don't puff smoke when you land high speed wheelies like the Pirelli Rosso Corsas did
Sum up - superb in all conditions!! Only when really pushing on in the valleys in the heat does the rear exhibit a slightly 'grainy' feeling as it overheats. I had one proper slide in the dry, but it was gentle and not scary once over the limit in spite of properly cracking on at the time, cranked over and hard on the throttle at high revs in 2nd gear.
From a wear point of view, the rear started at 5.5mm when new and now has 3.5mm left in the middle. The riding was probably overall a bit gentler than I usually do, but this is still a record for me for tyre life. At this rate and resuming my normal UK pace, that will mean around 3500-4000 miles out of the rear.
Absolutely fantastic rubber for fast road work and holds it's own in very mixed conditions with good feedback and ride quality regardless of surface and temperature.
They have kept their profile well too. Only downer is that they don't puff smoke when you land high speed wheelies like the Pirelli Rosso Corsas did
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