I assume this is illegal...
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Nigel Worc's said:
I'm guessing it is illegal, although factual and something I'd support.
Their room, their house, they should be able to specify actually with detail who they would like and who they wouldn't, it saves trouble all round.
I was annoyed by the ruling on the B&B couple, again their business, their property. It just served to increase my dislike of that particular group of people, (homosexuals), in no way did that ruling make me think "oh look, they must be equal and I must like them, the law says so".
If I don't like you I won't fix your machine(s), as I'm not short of work and enjoy being self employed so I control what I do and don't do.
Illegal as it's discrimantion based on ethnic origin but surprisingly not on colour, sexuality, gender or disability. So they are quite happy as long as the passport says English which will be difficult as it's actually says British even for the out and proud English.Their room, their house, they should be able to specify actually with detail who they would like and who they wouldn't, it saves trouble all round.
I was annoyed by the ruling on the B&B couple, again their business, their property. It just served to increase my dislike of that particular group of people, (homosexuals), in no way did that ruling make me think "oh look, they must be equal and I must like them, the law says so".
If I don't like you I won't fix your machine(s), as I'm not short of work and enjoy being self employed so I control what I do and don't do.
As for your dislike of homosexuals , I think you'll find they are classed by the law makers as people and therefore have the same rights and they are equal but you're right you don't have to like them or anyone else you have issues with.
As for fixing their machines , how would you possibly know when you tun up for a job who they have been sleeping with? And how would that affect your life or their ability to pay you for the work?
Funk said:
Nigel Worc's said:
I was annoyed by the ruling on the B&B couple, again their business, their property. It just served to increase my dislike of that particular group of people, (homosexuals), in no way did that ruling make me think "oh look, they must be equal and I must like them, the law says so.
Please tell me you're making some sort of (bad) joke?If you're not then f
king hell, you have serious issues as a human being.I dislike all groups that scream "me me me", fit in with the norm or put up with whatever you get, and I even extend that to these so called "bikers" that want special treatment regarding parking, road positioning, road markings etc, and I am myself a motorcyclist. Pandering to muslims regarding halal meat, especially in schools, fellow diabetics that missuse the condition to try and get special treatment at work, the list goes on, I'm just a miserable git that attempts to fit in with whatever society I've decided to live amongst, but I find I'm surrounded by oddities that want me to conform to whatever their beliefs are.
The irony here being that you've just described the society which you "try to fit in", as that which you won't.
Anyway, no one is going to change Nigel's opinion I suspect, and he's in many ways the product of his environment.
That of course doesn't excuse the fact that he's a terrible human being, but goes some way to explaining it.
Still - time heals all wounds, and given another 20 years or so and hopefully the bloc which Nigel is representative of will have mainly vanished.
Anyway, no one is going to change Nigel's opinion I suspect, and he's in many ways the product of his environment.
That of course doesn't excuse the fact that he's a terrible human being, but goes some way to explaining it.
Still - time heals all wounds, and given another 20 years or so and hopefully the bloc which Nigel is representative of will have mainly vanished.
Funk said:
Nigel Worc's said:
I was annoyed by the ruling on the B&B couple, again their business, their property. It just served to increase my dislike of that particular group of people, (homosexuals), in no way did that ruling make me think "oh look, they must be equal and I must like them, the law says so.
Please tell me you're making some sort of (bad) joke?If you're not then f
king hell, you have serious issues as a human being.Nigel Worc's said:
Their room, their house, they should be able to specify actually with detail who they would like and who they wouldn't, it saves trouble all round.
I was annoyed by the ruling on the B&B couple, again their business, their property.
If I don't like you I won't fix your machine(s), as I'm not short of work and enjoy being self employed so I control what I do and don't do.
I'm sort of with Nigel on the first two bits, shops have the right to refuse service to someone if they see fit, is that acceptable? Clubs reserve the right to refuse entry, yet that's ok? Businesses do make their own rules as to how they trade and who they do business with. I was annoyed by the ruling on the B&B couple, again their business, their property.
If I don't like you I won't fix your machine(s), as I'm not short of work and enjoy being self employed so I control what I do and don't do.
The last bit made me smile, and at least he's honest.
Amused2death said:
I'm sort of with Nigel on the first two bits, shops have the right to refuse service to someone if they see fit, is that acceptable? Clubs reserve the right to refuse entry, yet that's ok? Businesses do make their own rules as to how they trade and who they do business with.
The last bit made me smile, and at least he's honest.
Shops/Clubs have a 'right' to refuse service/entry based on their prejudices if they want but they would have to give a bullsThe last bit made me smile, and at least he's honest.
t reason to get away with it. You can not advertise your prejudice and think it is somehow alright.All the homeowner has to do is advertise as normal and if an African/Asian/eastern European/Muslim/non BNP/EDL type turns up, immediately tell them the room's taken.
It's this bit "if they see fit" that's the problem, as the reason behind their decision is one based on hatred, not anything rational.
There are good reasons why we, as a civilised society, try to combat prejudice.
Nigel is white, heterosexual, and employed - and has a massive sense of entitlement to go with his racism and homophobia.
This should (and has been) called out, rather than blindly accepted.
Is it acceptable to refuse to rent a room to a couple because they both have the same type of genitals?
In Zimbabwe, yes. Here, not so much - thankfully.
There are good reasons why we, as a civilised society, try to combat prejudice.
Nigel is white, heterosexual, and employed - and has a massive sense of entitlement to go with his racism and homophobia.
This should (and has been) called out, rather than blindly accepted.
Is it acceptable to refuse to rent a room to a couple because they both have the same type of genitals?
In Zimbabwe, yes. Here, not so much - thankfully.
Dammit said:
It's this bit "if they see fit" that's the problem, as the reason behind their decision is one based on hatred, not anything rational.
There are good reasons why we, as a civilised society, try to combat prejudice.
Nigel is white, heterosexual, and employed - and has a massive sense of entitlement to go with his racism and homophobia.
This should (and has been) called out, rather than blindly accepted.
Is it acceptable to refuse to rent a room to a couple because they both have the same type of genitals?
In Zimbabwe, yes. Here, not so much - thankfully.
What people do behind their own closed doors is entirely up to them, behind my closed doors ?? not so sure.There are good reasons why we, as a civilised society, try to combat prejudice.
Nigel is white, heterosexual, and employed - and has a massive sense of entitlement to go with his racism and homophobia.
This should (and has been) called out, rather than blindly accepted.
Is it acceptable to refuse to rent a room to a couple because they both have the same type of genitals?
In Zimbabwe, yes. Here, not so much - thankfully.
On another note, to describe Nigel as an " unpleasant human being" is ......well, unpleasant. I don't agree with some of his points, and yet I do agree with others. He simply says things that some others are afraid to say. Apparently we live in a country that allows "freedom of speech"....and yet there are many on PH who seem to disagree. Everybody has an opinion, and everybody has the right to agree, or disagree as they see fit.
For what it's worth, I have some pretty strong opinions, but I choose to keep them to myself because at the end of the day, that is exactly what they are....."MY opinions".
delboy735 said:
What people do behind their own closed doors is entirely up to them, behind my closed doors ?? not so sure.
On another note, to describe Nigel as an " unpleasant human being" is ......well, unpleasant. I don't agree with some of his points, and yet I do agree with others. He simply says things that some others are afraid to say. Apparently we live in a country that allows "freedom of speech"....and yet there are many on PH who seem to disagree. Everybody has an opinion, and everybody has the right to agree, or disagree as they see fit.
For what it's worth, I have some pretty strong opinions, but I choose to keep them to myself because at the end of the day, that is exactly what they are....."MY opinions".
I think that is part of the present day problem, people on here ,well some of them, dislike my opinions, you and I may disagree on many things.On another note, to describe Nigel as an " unpleasant human being" is ......well, unpleasant. I don't agree with some of his points, and yet I do agree with others. He simply says things that some others are afraid to say. Apparently we live in a country that allows "freedom of speech"....and yet there are many on PH who seem to disagree. Everybody has an opinion, and everybody has the right to agree, or disagree as they see fit.
For what it's worth, I have some pretty strong opinions, but I choose to keep them to myself because at the end of the day, that is exactly what they are....."MY opinions".
Why keep them to yourself, the minorities certainly don't, they shout like hell everytime they come across something they don't like ?
Why didn't the homosexual couple just go to another B&B where they may be welcomed ?
Why did they feel their sense of entitlement outweighed the property & business owner(s) ?
Many hotels now don't have rooms where people may smoke, I'm a smoker, so I choose the ones that do cater for that.
I am of the opinion that these types of people actually look for trouble.
Nigel (one of) the problems you have is an inability to empathise with others - you've likely never been discriminated against, so you don't care about discrimination.
Imagine for a second that you have booked a week in a nice bed and breakfast with your wife, you are checking in, chatting away to the owner, and you mention that you are diabetic.
At this point the landlord asks you and your wife to leave as he can't stand diabetics.
Would that be fair? Would you accept it as justified, and leave quietly - or would you (quite rightly) protest against an injustice?
Imagine for a second that you have booked a week in a nice bed and breakfast with your wife, you are checking in, chatting away to the owner, and you mention that you are diabetic.
At this point the landlord asks you and your wife to leave as he can't stand diabetics.
Would that be fair? Would you accept it as justified, and leave quietly - or would you (quite rightly) protest against an injustice?
Eclassy said:
Shops/Clubs have a 'right' to refuse service/entry based on their prejudices if they want but they would have to give a bullst reason to get away with it. You can not advertise your prejudice and think it is somehow alright.
Funny that "Bagel factory" on Piccadilly Mcr are advertising on a big poster "30% discount for pregnant ladies" as a tubby "pregnant" looking bloke i was a bit miffed as unless i had a urine sample like an Egyptian bus driver i wouldn't quality due to my gender t reason to get away with it. You can not advertise your prejudice and think it is somehow alright.
Dammit said:
Nigel (one of) the problems you have is an inability to empathise with others - you've likely never been discriminated against, so you don't care about discrimination.
Imagine for a second that you have booked a week in a nice bed and breakfast with your wife, you are checking in, chatting away to the owner, and you mention that you are diabetic.
At this point the landlord asks you and your wife to leave as he can't stand diabetics.
Would that be fair? Would you accept it as justified, and leave quietly - or would you (quite rightly) protest against an injustice?
These days I'd leave to be honest, and go somewhere else, it isn't ever going to happen though.Imagine for a second that you have booked a week in a nice bed and breakfast with your wife, you are checking in, chatting away to the owner, and you mention that you are diabetic.
At this point the landlord asks you and your wife to leave as he can't stand diabetics.
Would that be fair? Would you accept it as justified, and leave quietly - or would you (quite rightly) protest against an injustice?
The only discrimination I have ever suffered is because I'm a diabetic or a smoker, but it is legal and just, fair it isn't required to be (Job/career & DVLA for diabetes).
So I have experienced some discrimination.
I appreciate your sentiments, but diabetes isn't an ideal subject, as unlike skin colour, some religions , some disabilities, and some homosexuals, it isn't apparent to anyone else , and other than in an official capacity (occasionally H&S, long haul flights, stuff like that), nobody ever asks.
I don't consider myself to be racist, I can be homophobic if they are extreme homosexuals, I'm also not good with mental illness.
You are also correct in that I never seem to have acquired "empathy".
Smoking would be a better example, people can get really wound up if you are a smoker, especially employers when they don't allow their staff to smoke at all during the working day.
Dammit said:
Imagine for a second that you have booked a week in a nice bed and breakfast with your wife, you are checking in, chatting away to the owner, and you mention that you are diabetic.
At this point the landlord asks you and your wife to leave as he can't stand diabetics.
But that wasn't how it happened in the case being discussed. It wasn't a chance encounter. There was more to it than that. The hotel owners had publicised their strong (religious) views and the couple set out to challenge it.At this point the landlord asks you and your wife to leave as he can't stand diabetics.
Bert
As individuals we have the right to freedom of association or non-association. Can the 'right on' on here not understand what a tyrannical society we'll end up with if that right is denied?
I'm not talking about the workplace here, but in your private life, freedom of association is sacrosanct. We all have the right to decide who does or doesn't enter our home. We don't have to answer to anyone regarding our reasons.
I'm not talking about the workplace here, but in your private life, freedom of association is sacrosanct. We all have the right to decide who does or doesn't enter our home. We don't have to answer to anyone regarding our reasons.
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