UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[NicD]

This is who they claim they are:
We are here to provide a voice for businesspeople and their businesses on a national and international level. We speak for companies of every size, including many in the FTSE 100 and FTSE 350, mid-caps, SMEs, micro businesses, private and family owned businesses, start ups, and trade associations...

…and in every sector, including agriculture, automotive, aerospace and defence, construction, creative and communications, financial services, IT and e-business, management consultancy, manufacturing, professional services, retail, transport, tourism and utilities.

Our mission…

…is to promote the conditions in which businesses of all sizes and sectors in the UK can compete and prosper for the benefit of all. To achieve this, we campaign in the UK, the EU and internationally for a competitive policy landscape.

[FiF]

Mike Smithson discussing the make up of the UKIP vote in Ashcroft's poll.

Cons suffering more than Labour.

Chart only shows LibLabCon defectors, the large segment for Did not vote last time/other is a bit misleading imo. Even so nearly 32% of the 12,000 surveyed said they didn't vote last time with another 10% made up of don't knows and refused to answer.


In another poll from YouGov they had a trick question to remind all of us to be a bit cynical about poll results. About 15% of respondents said they remembered and expressed opinions about the performance of a politician who turned out to be fictitious. Ooops.


http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archive...

[Zod]

FiF said:

Mike Smithson discussing the make up of the UKIP vote in Ashcroft's poll.

Cons suffering more than Labour.

Chart only shows LibLabCon defectors, the large segment for Did not vote last time/other is a bit misleading imo. Even so nearly 32% of the 12,000 surveyed said they didn't vote last time with another 10% made up of don't knows and refused to answer.


In another poll from YouGov they had a trick question to remind all of us to be a bit cynical about poll results. About 15% of respondents said they remembered and expressed opinions about the performance of a politician who turned out to be fictitious. Ooops.


http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archive...

I'm surprised, but pleased that you choose to highlight this, given it shows clearly that voting UKIP is likely to hand the election to Labour.

[Scuffers]

Zod said:

'm surprised, but pleased that you choose to highlight this, given it shows clearly that voting UKIP is likely to hand the election to Labour.

like it did in Heywood and Middleton?

Oh, do give it a rest.

[FiF]

Zod said:

'm surprised, but pleased that you choose to highlight this, given it shows clearly that voting UKIP is likely to hand the election to Labour.

Please refer to the posts from Scuffers and Guam as it will save me from displaying any more contempt for your position.

[Esseesse]

Zod said:

'm surprised, but pleased that you choose to highlight this, given it shows clearly that voting UKIP is likely to hand the election to Labour.

Mr Cameron is a Europhile. Labour or Tories makes no difference. In fact in many ways Labour are preferable because 1) at least they're honest about their intentions, and 2) if Miliband wins (or rather the Tories lose, and keep losing) at some point the Conservative party may genuinely want to leave the EU.

[don4l]

Zod said:

'm surprised, but pleased that you choose to highlight this, given it shows clearly that voting UKIP is likely to hand the election to Labour.

Do you see major differences between the Conservatives and Labour?

I don't.

[Esseesse]

don4l said:

Zod said:

'm surprised, but pleased that you choose to highlight this, given it shows clearly that voting UKIP is likely to hand the election to Labour.

Do you see major differences between the Conservatives and Labour?

I don't.

Back benchers and grass roots supporters are different (sometimes), but the leadership of the 3 main parties have been infiltrated by people who subscribe to the same political ideology. The illusion of choice keeps the majority of un-thinking voters quiet and avoids civil unrest.

[brenflys777]

Zod said:

'm surprised, but pleased that you choose to highlight this, given it shows clearly that voting UKIP is likely to hand the election to Labour.

Serious reply - A vote is a positive action. I can't negatively vote.

If Cameron loses it's because people chose not to vote for him. Blaming them is weak. It must be depressing for the conservatives only rallying cry to be - vote for us - or you will get someone worse! How uninspiring.

Less serious reply. I'm starting to think I should read this instead of your posts!



It's full of trolling but also has pirates!

[Zod]

Scuffers said:

Zod said:

'm surprised, but pleased that you choose to highlight this, given it shows clearly that voting UKIP is likely to hand the election to Labour.

like it did in Heywood and Middleton?

Oh, do give it a rest.

Do remind, me: where is Heywood and Middleton? Oh, yes, it's up North. Your collective position is risible. Mike SMith's analysis shows that both parties are losing support to UKIP, not just the Tories, but that the Tories are suffering double Labour's rate of attrition. Both parties therefore are at risk of losing seats, either to UKIP or to the other, but the risk to the Tories is much greater.

[Zod]

brenflys777 said:

Zod said:

'm surprised, but pleased that you choose to highlight this, given it shows clearly that voting UKIP is likely to hand the election to Labour.

Serious reply - A vote is a positive action. I can't negatively vote.

If Cameron loses it's because people chose not to vote for him. Blaming them is weak. It must be depressing for the conservatives only rallying cry to be - vote for us - or you will get someone worse! How uninspiring.

Less serious reply. I'm starting to think I should read this instead of your posts!



It's full of trolling but also has pirates!

It's quite a good book, but your troll accusations are pathetic.

[Esseesse]

Zod said:

Do remind, me: where is Heywood and Middleton? Oh, yes, it's up North. Your collective position is risible. Mike SMith's analysis shows that both parties are losing support to UKIP, not just the Tories, but that the Tories are suffering double Labour's rate of attrition. Both parties therefore are at risk of losing seats, either to UKIP or to the other, but the risk to the Tories is much greater.

You think ex-Conservative voters care? If we wanted Dave to win we'd vote for him. We're not because we don't.

[Zod]

don4l said:

Zod said:

'm surprised, but pleased that you choose to highlight this, given it shows clearly that voting UKIP is likely to hand the election to Labour.

Do you see major differences between the Conservatives and Labour?

I don't.

Massive differences. Labour won't give us an EU referendum. Labour will introduce a mansion tax and put the top rate of income tax up to 50%.That's just a few examples.

It's funny; you get accused of trolling in this thread for saying the same thing that serious political analysts like Mike Smith are saying, but it's not trolling to post something as blatantly ridiculous as that there is no difference between Labour and the Conservatives.

For the record,

Mike Smith said:

It shows where the current UKIP vote in the key marginals is coming from a picture that is broadly unchanged on recent months. For all the Farage spin his party is a much bigger threat to the Tories than LAB. The reason why the Tories are doing so poorly in the marginals is that they’ve lost a lot of votes to the purples.

[Esseesse]

Zod said:

don4l said:

Zod said:

'm surprised, but pleased that you choose to highlight this, given it shows clearly that voting UKIP is likely to hand the election to Labour.

Do you see major differences between the Conservatives and Labour?

I don't.

Massive differences. Labour won't give us an EU referendum. Labour will introduce a mansion tax and put the top rate of income tax up to 50%.That's just a few examples.

It's funny; you get accused of trolling in this thread for saying the same thing that serious political analysts like Mike Smith are saying, but it's not trolling to post something as blatantly ridiculous as that there is no difference between Labour and the Conservatives.

For the record,

Mike Smith said:

It shows where the current UKIP vote in the key marginals is coming from a picture that is broadly unchanged on recent months. For all the Farage spin his party is a much bigger threat to the Tories than LAB. The reason why the Tories are doing so poorly in the marginals is that they’ve lost a lot of votes to the purples.

No referendum is better than a sham referendum.

[mrpurple]

Vote on EU arrest warrant before the next by-election...another promise reneged upon? misleading HOC even?

[Zod]

Esseesse said:

No referendum is better than a sham referendum.

What is a sham referendum?

[Zod]

mrpurple said:

Vote on EU arrest warrant before the next by-election...another promise reneged upon? misleading HOC even?

I'm struggling to see why people object to this. It seems to be the word "European". Even outside the EU we would want to have arrangements like this in place.

[McWigglebum4th]

Zod said:

Massive differences. Labour won't give us an EU referendum. Labour will introduce a mansion tax and put the top rate of income tax up to 50%.That's just a few examples.

It's funny; you get accused of trolling in this thread for saying the same thing that serious political analysts like Mike Smith are saying, but it's not trolling to post something as blatantly ridiculous as that there is no difference between Labour and the Conservatives.

Unless the tory party pull their finger out of their arse then they won't be offering us a referendum either

Like daves cast iron guarantee we won't be paying the £1.7billion bill by 1st of December

We don't belive we will get a referendum unless we get the changes we want


We have learnt to read the small print

[Scuffers]

Zod said:

Scuffers said:

Zod said:

'm surprised, but pleased that you choose to highlight this, given it shows clearly that voting UKIP is likely to hand the election to Labour.

like it did in Heywood and Middleton?

Oh, do give it a rest.

Do remind, me: where is Heywood and Middleton? Oh, yes, it's up North. Your collective position is risible. Mike SMith's analysis shows that both parties are losing support to UKIP, not just the Tories, but that the Tories are suffering double Labour's rate of attrition. Both parties therefore are at risk of losing seats, either to UKIP or to the other, but the risk to the Tories is much greater.

that's being blind to the obvious flaw, namely they are not starting from the same place

if you actually could real votes in the last GE, what were the proportions?

[mrpurple]

Zod said:

mrpurple said:

Vote on EU arrest warrant before the next by-election...another promise reneged upon? misleading HOC even?

I'm struggling to see why people object to this. It seems to be the word "European". Even outside the EU we would want to have arrangements like this in place.

That may or not be the case...the point of my post however is I am sure Dave told parliament that a vote will be held before the next by-election....the latest I hear that it was supposed to happen tonight but now isn't going to even be debated.

But for info this is basically why I don't think we should vote for it:

"David Cameron insists that Britain must not be part of a federal Europe. Yet here is his Government proposing to sign up to the federalisation of extradition."

http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2014/...