World of Tanks (Vol 2)
Discussion
All that jazz said:
@ above :
"Please nerf all tanks because I don't know how to deal with them!!!111one"
There's nothing wrong with the Waffle or the Rhm.
With this constant nerf whining and how WoT have an annoying habit of listening to it all, it won't be long until all the tanks are exactly the same. Just play the f
king game and stop whining. If the tanks are so OP then why the fk aren't you playing them? Oh wait, you don't because you're st with them and don't have the skills required to get the best from them. 
I bet you don't want any of your most played tanks nerfing do you?
Do you play this on xbox by chance? If not I am pretty sure I probably have you added to my ignore list "Please nerf all tanks because I don't know how to deal with them!!!111one"
There's nothing wrong with the Waffle or the Rhm.
With this constant nerf whining and how WoT have an annoying habit of listening to it all, it won't be long until all the tanks are exactly the same. Just play the f
king game and stop whining. If the tanks are so OP then why the fk aren't you playing them? Oh wait, you don't because you're st with them and don't have the skills required to get the best from them. I bet you don't want any of your most played tanks nerfing do you?
Daston said:
Do you play this on xbox by chance? If not I am pretty sure I probably have you added to my ignore list
Funny that you mention it, you can't see your ignore list on the Xbox, but you can mute players and it remembers who is muted, so when starting a match and looking at the teams list, the muted players are visible, so I look and think "Ah, a previously-encountered moron". I'll watch that Circon video, I just subscribed to him yesterday. If he is using the CGC I'm especially interested, I'm in two minds whether or not to grind out the rest of the Bert. The Crusader SP doesn't look amazing, but that CGC calls to me. I had been planning on going up the French arty line first, but I can't help but think that the Bat chat 155 58 is a bit advanced and that grinding to the CGC could give me the additional arty experience to really make the most of the Bat chat. Does anyone here have a CGC? Even on the Xbox WOT forum, only a small handful of players have one, and they're dedicated arty players / free XPers. The general opinion is that the shell travel is slow, the accuracy dire an the reload painful, but the splash is enormous at 11m for premium and 7m for standard HE. The high shell arc and wide turret traverse are swinging it as my arty grind at the moment. I just can't wait to not have to play the Bert any more, overrated s
t!We've just had an announcement that the Excelsior is coming to the Xbox tomorrow, but as usual it's bundled in an early adopter package so costs 2900 with some premium time and ammo, rather than just getting the tank on it's own for 1500. It looks ok but I'll probably give this one a miss.
Patch 9.5 will introduce personal missions and you'll have 6 months to complete them. As you complete each step of a mission you're rewarded with credits, premium time, equipment, barrack space etc.
At the end of each mission you'll get a special reward tank. There are 4 missions over all and you have to complete them in order:
1) StuG IV - German tier 5 tank destroyer.
2) T28 Concept - American Tier 7 tank destroyer.
3) T-55A - Despite the name, this is actually a German tier 9 medium tank, as many were supplied to East Germany.
4) Object 260 - Soviet Tier 10 heavy tank - Basically an IS-7 prototype.
Apparently these reward tanks are like a premium in that they can use a crew from another similar tank of the same nation without penalty, but they don't make credits like a real premium tank.
A look at the T-55A:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDsxsNjz64c&li...
At the end of each mission you'll get a special reward tank. There are 4 missions over all and you have to complete them in order:
1) StuG IV - German tier 5 tank destroyer.
2) T28 Concept - American Tier 7 tank destroyer.
3) T-55A - Despite the name, this is actually a German tier 9 medium tank, as many were supplied to East Germany.
4) Object 260 - Soviet Tier 10 heavy tank - Basically an IS-7 prototype.
Apparently these reward tanks are like a premium in that they can use a crew from another similar tank of the same nation without penalty, but they don't make credits like a real premium tank.
A look at the T-55A:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDsxsNjz64c&li...
I saw those long term campaign things, they seem pretty cool tbh.
I'm about 9000xp from getting my first tier 10, the original death star, the JPE-100.
I'm also pressing on with the FV304, trying to push up the Brit SPG line. I thought the Bert would be brilliant, trollish fun with the old shoot, move, shoot routine, but the gun just completely lets it down. What felt quite potent on the Bishop now feels completely pathetic, almost no splash radius and pathetic penetrating ability, and when it does pen it only seems to roll around 400. I may end up grinding a few more battles in it just to give me enough XP so that I can free XP to the Crusader and have enough free XP to get the 5.5lber gun and avoid playing it stock altogether. The Bert definitely gets the crown for "most overrated / aspired-to" vehicle in the game as far as I'm concerned. It just struggles too much to influence games at when the majority of the teams are tier 7s, let alone 8s. A real surprise after the Bishop, which I thought was dire at first, but transformed into a rather good little thing as the upgrades went on and I learned it's style.
Looking forward to getting back into a proper SPG that can nail a target at 1000m out. :P
I'm about 9000xp from getting my first tier 10, the original death star, the JPE-100.
I'm also pressing on with the FV304, trying to push up the Brit SPG line. I thought the Bert would be brilliant, trollish fun with the old shoot, move, shoot routine, but the gun just completely lets it down. What felt quite potent on the Bishop now feels completely pathetic, almost no splash radius and pathetic penetrating ability, and when it does pen it only seems to roll around 400. I may end up grinding a few more battles in it just to give me enough XP so that I can free XP to the Crusader and have enough free XP to get the 5.5lber gun and avoid playing it stock altogether. The Bert definitely gets the crown for "most overrated / aspired-to" vehicle in the game as far as I'm concerned. It just struggles too much to influence games at when the majority of the teams are tier 7s, let alone 8s. A real surprise after the Bishop, which I thought was dire at first, but transformed into a rather good little thing as the upgrades went on and I learned it's style.
Looking forward to getting back into a proper SPG that can nail a target at 1000m out. :P
Mastodon2 said:
I saw those long term campaign things, they seem pretty cool tbh.
I'm about 9000xp from getting my first tier 10, the original death star, the JPE-100.
I'm also pressing on with the FV304, trying to push up the Brit SPG line. I thought the Bert would be brilliant, trollish fun with the old shoot, move, shoot routine, but the gun just completely lets it down. What felt quite potent on the Bishop now feels completely pathetic, almost no splash radius and pathetic penetrating ability, and when it does pen it only seems to roll around 400. I may end up grinding a few more battles in it just to give me enough XP so that I can free XP to the Crusader and have enough free XP to get the 5.5lber gun and avoid playing it stock altogether. The Bert definitely gets the crown for "most overrated / aspired-to" vehicle in the game as far as I'm concerned. It just struggles too much to influence games at when the majority of the teams are tier 7s, let alone 8s. A real surprise after the Bishop, which I thought was dire at first, but transformed into a rather good little thing as the upgrades went on and I learned it's style.
Looking forward to getting back into a proper SPG that can nail a target at 1000m out. :P
You're playing it wrong I'm about 9000xp from getting my first tier 10, the original death star, the JPE-100.
I'm also pressing on with the FV304, trying to push up the Brit SPG line. I thought the Bert would be brilliant, trollish fun with the old shoot, move, shoot routine, but the gun just completely lets it down. What felt quite potent on the Bishop now feels completely pathetic, almost no splash radius and pathetic penetrating ability, and when it does pen it only seems to roll around 400. I may end up grinding a few more battles in it just to give me enough XP so that I can free XP to the Crusader and have enough free XP to get the 5.5lber gun and avoid playing it stock altogether. The Bert definitely gets the crown for "most overrated / aspired-to" vehicle in the game as far as I'm concerned. It just struggles too much to influence games at when the majority of the teams are tier 7s, let alone 8s. A real surprise after the Bishop, which I thought was dire at first, but transformed into a rather good little thing as the upgrades went on and I learned it's style.
Looking forward to getting back into a proper SPG that can nail a target at 1000m out. :P
400 dam is fine, it aims faster than it reloads still despite the nerf so you can often get multiple shots to land in fairly short order.
The stats don't lie, it's clearly the best in it's tier by almost 10% margin on winrate
http://www.noobmeter.com/tankStats/eu
The damage I can live with, or at least I could if it penned reliably. I try to use longer-range shots, so I get a vertical drop on the shell and go for engine decks where possible, but when those angles aren't available you're left trying to chip tier 7s and 8s for 100 damage a shot, which isn't all that much fun. As I say, I found the gun to be useful on the Bishop, but it's the law of diminishing returns on the Bert. No doubt some do very well with it, but it's not my style, I preferred my Hummel at tier 6 tbh.
It would be a big improvement to he Bert if it had an ammo selection, a premium AP round, a solid, non-splashing round like the lower tier Brits get would be very well suited to tackling bigger targets.
It would be a big improvement to he Bert if it had an ammo selection, a premium AP round, a solid, non-splashing round like the lower tier Brits get would be very well suited to tackling bigger targets.
JustinF said:
You may have just had a series of unlucky MM matchups, I seem to get a fair share of games where I'm not out gunned.
As an aside, has anyone run a comparison between PC and Xbox for mechanics and MM?
I don't think they have Justin, all we have all the patent documents that explain how the MM works, but the WG reps on the forum claim they filed the patent but don't actually use the MM system covered by the patent. If you haven't read it, though you probably have, it's designed to keep players at a 50% W/R for each tank by giving them easier matches (worse players, giving them top tier spots more often) if they slip below 50%, and making it harder if they go above 50%. They say it's not in use but it certainly doesn't feel that way. I was down to 47% while upgrading my Jadgtiger, and when it was tooled up and ready to unleash some wrecking I smashed my way up to 53% in a day, and as the day went on I got more and more tier 10 games. As an aside, has anyone run a comparison between PC and Xbox for mechanics and MM?
Mechanics are pretty much spot on the same as the PC game, it uses the Big World engine, modified to work on the Xbox. Not all nerfs and buffs are followed in the same way though, for example, WG knew the VK45.02 B was crap and underperforming on the PC, so they buffed it's armour to get it at least something to help it be more competitive, but on the Xbox we've got the crap old version. OTOH, some tanks have been added to the game in a post-buff or post-nerf state, reflective of the current version of the tank on the PC version.
Apparently tanks cannot be flipped no matter what happens to them, and the maximum top speed the BW engine can permit is 76kmph according to a WG rep, but I had my Bert showing 81kmph downhill on Westfield, so make of that what you will...
Watched some of Circon's vids which were very interesting, he is a very good player with a cool head.
Noticed when he is one vs one and even when on full health he will not expose himself to getting shot, he plays as if he is on his last 1% of health, takes a lot of patience that which I personally do not have.
He knows the maps inside out, knows where to go and cause most damage etc.
He also likes fast tanks, probably watched 6 of his vids and all his tanks were nippy ones which help lots when spotted or when going on the offensive and catching them out.
Noticed when he is one vs one and even when on full health he will not expose himself to getting shot, he plays as if he is on his last 1% of health, takes a lot of patience that which I personally do not have.
He knows the maps inside out, knows where to go and cause most damage etc.
He also likes fast tanks, probably watched 6 of his vids and all his tanks were nippy ones which help lots when spotted or when going on the offensive and catching them out.
Fane said:
Hmmmm, Box Tenk is on special offer today in the advent calender...
To be honest I don't think this is an especially juicy deal. You are paying full price for the Box tonk and you get the gun rammer free. Basically that is 500,000 free credits, or if you are stingey like me and only buy these things on sale, 250,000 free credits. There is likely to be a 50% sale on equipment sometime over the Christmas holidays anyway I reckon.If you are interested in Box tank then go ahead and grab it. It is a fun tank to play but I would be more inclined to wait for a 15% sale on premium tanks which is also fairly likely to appear over Christmas.
TX1 said:
He also likes fast tanks, probably watched 6 of his vids and all his tanks were nippy ones which help lots when spotted or when going on the offensive and catching them out.
This is similar to QB, who tends to disengage when spotted. I haven't watched much of Circon's content yet, but I'm convinced the route to very high solo win rates is natural talent and using flexible tanks rather than strong armour and big guns. On this note, I doubt I'll be using my newly acquired (and first tier 10) the JPE-100. I only put a single match in with it last night, and while the gun is great fun when it works, bouncing a shot with it is just galling. Still, better than the 183 Death star I suppose. Terrible mobility, an absolutely enormous target to shoot at and other than high alpha there isn't a lot going for it, but none of this comes as a surprise. When I first started playing, this would have been my dream machine, but it's just not my playstyle now. Also, the more I watch Jingles, the less convinced I am by his ability. His stats look good, though his status affords him very good platoon mates, and some of his plays in his videos are shocking. I was watching a video of him in the Object 263 the other day and it was shocking. High velocity gun, shooting at a tier 10 tank in the open on Malinovka, and he was firing miss after miss, it was annoying to watch. Here is a breakdown of a Jingles video:
"Whoops, I'm spotted, heh heh. Whoops, I missed, heh. Took a hit, heh, missed again, oh I'm dead, that's all she wrote folks!"
Mastodon2 said:
Also, the more I watch Jingles, the less convinced I am by his ability. His stats look good, though his status affords him very good platoon mates, and some of his plays in his videos are shocking. I was watching a video of him in the Object 263 the other day and it was shocking. High velocity gun, shooting at a tier 10 tank in the open on Malinovka, and he was firing miss after miss, it was annoying to watch. Here is a breakdown of a Jingles video:
"Whoops, I'm spotted, heh heh. Whoops, I missed, heh. Took a hit, heh, missed again, oh I'm dead, that's all she wrote folks!"
In fairness to Jingles he is the first to admit that he isn't that good a player. He freely admits that his good win rate (58% I think) is only due to platooning with the likes of Quickybaby and Circon. He reckons he would be a 53% player if his win rate wasn't inflated by platooning and from watching his content I would probably agree with that."Whoops, I'm spotted, heh heh. Whoops, I missed, heh. Took a hit, heh, missed again, oh I'm dead, that's all she wrote folks!"
His garage reviews are generally good and would be very useful to new players trying to get a grasp on the different tanks, but of limited use to more experienced players and I did find them helpful when I was more noobish than I am now. He is good enough at the theory but struggles to put it into practice. "Do as I say, don't do as I do".
Where he does score though is in entertainment value and I still watch his content for that reason, albeit less so these days.
I find Pointyhairedjedi to be more entertaining to watch these days and I do commend him to anyone who wants a little light World of Tanks relief. He also platoons regularly with Circon and SirFoch.
Circon has got a lot better in the time I've watched him. He very rarely plays alone though; He's usually with other decent players like SirFoch. Normally if he plays arty he'll stick his KV-2 heavy tank crew in it, leave them at 50% training and still wreck people, just to show how easy it is. I wish he'd get a better mike though, as I find I can hardly hear him sometimes.
QB usually plays alone, which in itself is more useful to watch. He's more aggressive when streaming in order to be entertaining. Like all good players he wants to keep the gun firing as often as possible. He explains his thought processes well, which is what makes his stream the most educational for the average player.
Several of the American -G- clan stream late on as well. Zeven is a really good player (67% IIRC) and he also explains what he's doing very well. He's put a few instructional videos up on his Youtube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/user/ZevenNA
Yes, Jingles is actually a 53% player. I started watching him for his tank reviews, which he doesn't do very often these days. A shame as they are very detailed and offer good advice on upgrades and equipment.
The likes of SirFoch do tank reviews nowadays, but they always fall into the trap of showing exceptional ace tanker games and never showing themselves using the stock gun or having to grind a stty tier 9. Maybe because they get so much gold given to them they can afford to convert free XP and never play stock. Well that's great, but not very realistic for the majority of us.
Pointyhairedjedi is well worth a look. He's also a good player (despite what Caption Guy thinks), but not afraid to just record a few games at random and show them warts and all.
QB usually plays alone, which in itself is more useful to watch. He's more aggressive when streaming in order to be entertaining. Like all good players he wants to keep the gun firing as often as possible. He explains his thought processes well, which is what makes his stream the most educational for the average player.
Several of the American -G- clan stream late on as well. Zeven is a really good player (67% IIRC) and he also explains what he's doing very well. He's put a few instructional videos up on his Youtube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/user/ZevenNA
Yes, Jingles is actually a 53% player. I started watching him for his tank reviews, which he doesn't do very often these days. A shame as they are very detailed and offer good advice on upgrades and equipment.
The likes of SirFoch do tank reviews nowadays, but they always fall into the trap of showing exceptional ace tanker games and never showing themselves using the stock gun or having to grind a s
tty tier 9. Maybe because they get so much gold given to them they can afford to convert free XP and never play stock. Well that's great, but not very realistic for the majority of us.Pointyhairedjedi is well worth a look. He's also a good player (despite what Caption Guy thinks), but not afraid to just record a few games at random and show them warts and all.
As for the Su-100Y, I'm pretty sure that it's £10.85 in the gift shop normally anyway. It's well worth having though and it's a good crew trainer. I find Boxtank to be a bit of a monster (438 kills in 280 games so far).
With 196 mm average penetration on standard AP rounds, you never need to use premium ammo either. In fact premium ammo actually has 25 mm less penetration, but does more damage on average (510 instead of 440). I should probably start using it actually.
HE has only 65 mm pen, but averages 580 damage, so it can one-shot the likes of a Hellcat or Jackson and leave all its peers hanging by a thread. Regular ammo can one-shot tier 5 mediums and below no problem.
It really excels at nailing enemies that have already taken a hit or two though. It loves to execute weakened tanks and smack things at range too. The gun is fairly accurate, so I can certainly do that. The reload is around 13 seconds, so only a bit worse than the old KV-1S was.
Oh and at 60+ tons you can happily ram anything that gets too close.
Sure it's a big soft target, but if you're careful and your team doesn't suck, you can do OK. My survival rate is about 57%. I got an Invincible medal the other day for having 5 games in a row without taking any damage. I did bounce a shot off the gun mantlet in that run, but I terminated the perpetrator shortly thereafter.
With 196 mm average penetration on standard AP rounds, you never need to use premium ammo either. In fact premium ammo actually has 25 mm less penetration, but does more damage on average (510 instead of 440). I should probably start using it actually.
HE has only 65 mm pen, but averages 580 damage, so it can one-shot the likes of a Hellcat or Jackson and leave all its peers hanging by a thread. Regular ammo can one-shot tier 5 mediums and below no problem.
It really excels at nailing enemies that have already taken a hit or two though. It loves to execute weakened tanks and smack things at range too. The gun is fairly accurate, so I can certainly do that. The reload is around 13 seconds, so only a bit worse than the old KV-1S was.
Oh and at 60+ tons you can happily ram anything that gets too close.
Sure it's a big soft target, but if you're careful and your team doesn't suck, you can do OK. My survival rate is about 57%. I got an Invincible medal the other day for having 5 games in a row without taking any damage. I did bounce a shot off the gun mantlet in that run, but I terminated the perpetrator shortly thereafter.
Sheets Tabuer said:
Finally got enough xp to get upgrade from the T30, I think it's going to be the first T9 I sell, I normally like to keep them but by god I hate that thing.
What is the strength of the T30? Whenever I see one I usually consider it an easy target, even the gun on it doesn't feel that dangerous.GeorgeZ06 and myself have just run an hour of arty platoon, me in the Crusader SP and him in the M41. While normally, this would be a fail platoon, for arty, especially American arty it's not such a hinderance. We didn't lose a match while the SPGs were paired, picking up a Brothers in Arms, and I got a Mastery Class 1 in my Crusader, I even got a "Good shot" message over Xbox Live from someone who I nailed. The only one we lost was a tier 5 match where I washed out early in my Panzer III/IV, and George went on to pick up a whopping 7 kills. Arty haters be like.
I'm loving the Crusader SP, nice gun arc, the accuracy is good and 20 second reloads and 7.5 second aim time and all the other trappings of traditional SPGs don't hurt, it feels good to deal 450 splash and 900+ on penetrating shots. The high alpha means this thing busts modules well too. I was having a right old lel, blowing 450 damage, a gun and a track off the target at the same time. The higher speed in reverse is a bit odd though.
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