Shooting at offices of satirical magazine in Paris
Discussion
jogger1976 said:
I just thought I'd give my own personal take on this subject and the wider theme of Muslims and Islamic extremism/terror.
While I was growing up, two of my best friends, Nasser and Salam, were British born, but of Pakistani descent.
Their parents and older brother, Mohammad, came from Peshawar, in the Northwestern Frontier Province, close to the border with Afghanistan. An area well known as a conservative and traditional community, which sadly became the breeding ground for Muslim extremism and terrorist training.
The whole family where devout Muslims and attended the local Mosque and would take regular trips back to Peshawar to help the local community.
Despite being subject to some horrific abuse and bigotry by the local mouth breathers(particularly post 9/11), and anti the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, they remained peaceful and did not retaliate with violence, only strong words and assertiveness, often condemning the actions of the extremists. They integrated and the brothers often wore western clothes, played football, listened to chart music and helped to teach their parents to speak English.
In 2005,Mohammad went to Peshawar to help with the relief effort, following a devastating earthquake, which killed approximately 80,000. Unfortunately, he made the mistake of taking his English partner, which the local Taliban did not take kindly to.
And so, despite being a devout Muslim, a kind and generous man, and traveling halfway across the world - at his own expense- to help his fellow people, he was kidnapped, and beaten so badly that he sadly died of his injuries.
The whole family, who were completely devastated, returned to Peshawar for the funeral and I never saw them again.
So what I guess I'm trying to say is that we should condemn and shut down, with absolute force if necessary, those Muslims who use violence as away to assert their point. But equally, we shouldn't tar all Muslims as extremists and terrorists, particularly when many are killed (by extremists) for not being exactly the Muslim that they expect them to be.
What a sad story - While I was growing up, two of my best friends, Nasser and Salam, were British born, but of Pakistani descent.
Their parents and older brother, Mohammad, came from Peshawar, in the Northwestern Frontier Province, close to the border with Afghanistan. An area well known as a conservative and traditional community, which sadly became the breeding ground for Muslim extremism and terrorist training.
The whole family where devout Muslims and attended the local Mosque and would take regular trips back to Peshawar to help the local community.
Despite being subject to some horrific abuse and bigotry by the local mouth breathers(particularly post 9/11), and anti the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, they remained peaceful and did not retaliate with violence, only strong words and assertiveness, often condemning the actions of the extremists. They integrated and the brothers often wore western clothes, played football, listened to chart music and helped to teach their parents to speak English.
In 2005,Mohammad went to Peshawar to help with the relief effort, following a devastating earthquake, which killed approximately 80,000. Unfortunately, he made the mistake of taking his English partner, which the local Taliban did not take kindly to.
And so, despite being a devout Muslim, a kind and generous man, and traveling halfway across the world - at his own expense- to help his fellow people, he was kidnapped, and beaten so badly that he sadly died of his injuries.
The whole family, who were completely devastated, returned to Peshawar for the funeral and I never saw them again.
So what I guess I'm trying to say is that we should condemn and shut down, with absolute force if necessary, those Muslims who use violence as away to assert their point. But equally, we shouldn't tar all Muslims as extremists and terrorists, particularly when many are killed (by extremists) for not being exactly the Muslim that they expect them to be.
4lf4-155 said:
jogger1976 said:
I just thought I'd give my own personal take on this subject and the wider theme of Muslims and Islamic extremism/terror.
While I was growing up, two of my best friends, Nasser and Salam, were British born, but of Pakistani descent.
Their parents and older brother, Mohammad, came from Peshawar, in the Northwestern Frontier Province, close to the border with Afghanistan. An area well known as a conservative and traditional community, which sadly became the breeding ground for Muslim extremism and terrorist training.
The whole family where devout Muslims and attended the local Mosque and would take regular trips back to Peshawar to help the local community.
Despite being subject to some horrific abuse and bigotry by the local mouth breathers(particularly post 9/11), and anti the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, they remained peaceful and did not retaliate with violence, only strong words and assertiveness, often condemning the actions of the extremists. They integrated and the brothers often wore western clothes, played football, listened to chart music and helped to teach their parents to speak English.
In 2005,Mohammad went to Peshawar to help with the relief effort, following a devastating earthquake, which killed approximately 80,000. Unfortunately, he made the mistake of taking his English partner, which the local Taliban did not take kindly to.
And so, despite being a devout Muslim, a kind and generous man, and traveling halfway across the world - at his own expense- to help his fellow people, he was kidnapped, and beaten so badly that he sadly died of his injuries.
The whole family, who were completely devastated, returned to Peshawar for the funeral and I never saw them again.
So what I guess I'm trying to say is that we should condemn and shut down, with absolute force if necessary, those Muslims who use violence as away to assert their point. But equally, we shouldn't tar all Muslims as extremists and terrorists, particularly when many are killed (by extremists) for not being exactly the Muslim that they expect them to be.
What a sad story - While I was growing up, two of my best friends, Nasser and Salam, were British born, but of Pakistani descent.
Their parents and older brother, Mohammad, came from Peshawar, in the Northwestern Frontier Province, close to the border with Afghanistan. An area well known as a conservative and traditional community, which sadly became the breeding ground for Muslim extremism and terrorist training.
The whole family where devout Muslims and attended the local Mosque and would take regular trips back to Peshawar to help the local community.
Despite being subject to some horrific abuse and bigotry by the local mouth breathers(particularly post 9/11), and anti the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, they remained peaceful and did not retaliate with violence, only strong words and assertiveness, often condemning the actions of the extremists. They integrated and the brothers often wore western clothes, played football, listened to chart music and helped to teach their parents to speak English.
In 2005,Mohammad went to Peshawar to help with the relief effort, following a devastating earthquake, which killed approximately 80,000. Unfortunately, he made the mistake of taking his English partner, which the local Taliban did not take kindly to.
And so, despite being a devout Muslim, a kind and generous man, and traveling halfway across the world - at his own expense- to help his fellow people, he was kidnapped, and beaten so badly that he sadly died of his injuries.
The whole family, who were completely devastated, returned to Peshawar for the funeral and I never saw them again.
So what I guess I'm trying to say is that we should condemn and shut down, with absolute force if necessary, those Muslims who use violence as away to assert their point. But equally, we shouldn't tar all Muslims as extremists and terrorists, particularly when many are killed (by extremists) for not being exactly the Muslim that they expect them to be.
Munter said:
Jimmyarm said:
Obviously letting them roam around the general populace, spouting their bile is preferred ?
The sooner the soft idiots wakes up and realise what is happening the better, this isn't going to be solved by playing nice.
Whilst taking the hard line might not be the ultimate solution either, taking every known associate or threat off our streets is a step in the right direction for the time being.
You do realise your post puts you in the category of people who should be taken off our streets....The sooner the soft idiots wakes up and realise what is happening the better, this isn't going to be solved by playing nice.
Whilst taking the hard line might not be the ultimate solution either, taking every known associate or threat off our streets is a step in the right direction for the time being.
Over the past couple of days, many people have been thinking this way, perhaps it's time for a sea change in attitude by the vast majority.
Just my take, not trying to start an argument.
BBC Live reporting this....
Paris prosecutor Francois Molins, speaking at a conference, says that an employee at the printing works where the Kouachi brothers were in Dammartin-en-Goele, was hiding on the second floor underneath a sink. The brothers did not realise there was another person hiding in the warehouse.
Interesting that they are still calling him a hostage when it seems like he was there unknown.
In other news on the same website, seems like the police were able to hear what the hostage taker in the kosher store was saying because he didn't replace the handset properly. And the very latest on Twitter is that NO hostages were killed there (BBC BREAKING NEWS) but when you go into the site, it says...
Four of the hostages were killed when the gunman entered the Jewish supermarket, and not during the special police operation that ended the siege. The gunman had called a TV station to say that he had killed four of the hostages.
Paris prosecutor Francois Molins, speaking at a conference, says that an employee at the printing works where the Kouachi brothers were in Dammartin-en-Goele, was hiding on the second floor underneath a sink. The brothers did not realise there was another person hiding in the warehouse.
Interesting that they are still calling him a hostage when it seems like he was there unknown.
In other news on the same website, seems like the police were able to hear what the hostage taker in the kosher store was saying because he didn't replace the handset properly. And the very latest on Twitter is that NO hostages were killed there (BBC BREAKING NEWS) but when you go into the site, it says...
Four of the hostages were killed when the gunman entered the Jewish supermarket, and not during the special police operation that ended the siege. The gunman had called a TV station to say that he had killed four of the hostages.
GloverMart said:
And the very latest on Twitter is that NO hostages were killed there.
Odd as the Guardian are showing feed from the raid where they look reasonably dead. NSFW and distressing images including bodies (taken from main Guardian feed)http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/jan/09/...
Video:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2edu5n_exclusif-...
I'm probably not alone in thinking we have been too tolerant about these sorts of things. I'm sure that no matter how misguided and misinformed our wars in the east might have been, how oppressive we might have seemed, the intention was to liberate people from oppression, mainly religious oppression, to allow them to live a life as a free and individual person.
I can't really see how that was such a bad thing. But yet these religious idiots do. I'm afraid that I, and many others, will run out of any sort of sympathy or tolerance for people who we welcome in, try and help and just throw it back in our face for not believing in their religious idiocy.
We should have just left them to be oppressed by Saddam and the other dictators. At least they had, some sort, of a lid on it
I can't really see how that was such a bad thing. But yet these religious idiots do. I'm afraid that I, and many others, will run out of any sort of sympathy or tolerance for people who we welcome in, try and help and just throw it back in our face for not believing in their religious idiocy.
We should have just left them to be oppressed by Saddam and the other dictators. At least they had, some sort, of a lid on it
That's two lots of very disturbing news. First perhaps not having a news blackout on saying the two gunmen had a hostage they never knew they had. Lucky for them they probably weren't watching live news of their own hostage situation and wondering where said hostage was.
The second is that footage of them storming the supermarket and slowly opening the doors and waiting for the shutter to roll up slowly. I really hope we are missing footage of others smashing there way in at that moment, it just struck me and chillingly slow gaining entry. Hope that doesn't sound 'armchair general' type stuff, but more observations to might need debate.
The second is that footage of them storming the supermarket and slowly opening the doors and waiting for the shutter to roll up slowly. I really hope we are missing footage of others smashing there way in at that moment, it just struck me and chillingly slow gaining entry. Hope that doesn't sound 'armchair general' type stuff, but more observations to might need debate.
4lf4-155 said:
jogger1976 said:
I just thought I'd give my own personal take on this subject and the wider theme of Muslims and Islamic extremism/terror.
While I was growing up, two of my best friends, Nasser and Salam, were British born, but of Pakistani descent.
Their parents and older brother, Mohammad, came from Peshawar, in the Northwestern Frontier Province, close to the border with Afghanistan. An area well known as a conservative and traditional community, which sadly became the breeding ground for Muslim extremism and terrorist training.
The whole family where devout Muslims and attended the local Mosque and would take regular trips back to Peshawar to help the local community.
Despite being subject to some horrific abuse and bigotry by the local mouth breathers(particularly post 9/11), and anti the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, they remained peaceful and did not retaliate with violence, only strong words and assertiveness, often condemning the actions of the extremists. They integrated and the brothers often wore western clothes, played football, listened to chart music and helped to teach their parents to speak English.
In 2005,Mohammad went to Peshawar to help with the relief effort, following a devastating earthquake, which killed approximately 80,000. Unfortunately, he made the mistake of taking his English partner, which the local Taliban did not take kindly to.
And so, despite being a devout Muslim, a kind and generous man, and traveling halfway across the world - at his own expense- to help his fellow people, he was kidnapped, and beaten so badly that he sadly died of his injuries.
The whole family, who were completely devastated, returned to Peshawar for the funeral and I never saw them again.
So what I guess I'm trying to say is that we should condemn and shut down, with absolute force if necessary, those Muslims who use violence as away to assert their point. But equally, we shouldn't tar all Muslims as extremists and terrorists, particularly when many are killed (by extremists) for not being exactly the Muslim that they expect them to be.
What a sad story - While I was growing up, two of my best friends, Nasser and Salam, were British born, but of Pakistani descent.
Their parents and older brother, Mohammad, came from Peshawar, in the Northwestern Frontier Province, close to the border with Afghanistan. An area well known as a conservative and traditional community, which sadly became the breeding ground for Muslim extremism and terrorist training.
The whole family where devout Muslims and attended the local Mosque and would take regular trips back to Peshawar to help the local community.
Despite being subject to some horrific abuse and bigotry by the local mouth breathers(particularly post 9/11), and anti the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, they remained peaceful and did not retaliate with violence, only strong words and assertiveness, often condemning the actions of the extremists. They integrated and the brothers often wore western clothes, played football, listened to chart music and helped to teach their parents to speak English.
In 2005,Mohammad went to Peshawar to help with the relief effort, following a devastating earthquake, which killed approximately 80,000. Unfortunately, he made the mistake of taking his English partner, which the local Taliban did not take kindly to.
And so, despite being a devout Muslim, a kind and generous man, and traveling halfway across the world - at his own expense- to help his fellow people, he was kidnapped, and beaten so badly that he sadly died of his injuries.
The whole family, who were completely devastated, returned to Peshawar for the funeral and I never saw them again.
So what I guess I'm trying to say is that we should condemn and shut down, with absolute force if necessary, those Muslims who use violence as away to assert their point. But equally, we shouldn't tar all Muslims as extremists and terrorists, particularly when many are killed (by extremists) for not being exactly the Muslim that they expect them to be.
MC Bodge said:
4lf4-155 said:
jogger1976 said:
I just thought I'd give my own personal take on this subject and the wider theme of Muslims and Islamic extremism/terror.
While I was growing up, two of my best friends, Nasser and Salam, were British born, but of Pakistani descent.
Their parents and older brother, Mohammad, came from Peshawar, in the Northwestern Frontier Province, close to the border with Afghanistan. An area well known as a conservative and traditional community, which sadly became the breeding ground for Muslim extremism and terrorist training.
The whole family where devout Muslims and attended the local Mosque and would take regular trips back to Peshawar to help the local community.
Despite being subject to some horrific abuse and bigotry by the local mouth breathers(particularly post 9/11), and anti the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, they remained peaceful and did not retaliate with violence, only strong words and assertiveness, often condemning the actions of the extremists. They integrated and the brothers often wore western clothes, played football, listened to chart music and helped to teach their parents to speak English.
In 2005,Mohammad went to Peshawar to help with the relief effort, following a devastating earthquake, which killed approximately 80,000. Unfortunately, he made the mistake of taking his English partner, which the local Taliban did not take kindly to.
And so, despite being a devout Muslim, a kind and generous man, and traveling halfway across the world - at his own expense- to help his fellow people, he was kidnapped, and beaten so badly that he sadly died of his injuries.
The whole family, who were completely devastated, returned to Peshawar for the funeral and I never saw them again.
So what I guess I'm trying to say is that we should condemn and shut down, with absolute force if necessary, those Muslims who use violence as away to assert their point. But equally, we shouldn't tar all Muslims as extremists and terrorists, particularly when many are killed (by extremists) for not being exactly the Muslim that they expect them to be.
What a sad story - While I was growing up, two of my best friends, Nasser and Salam, were British born, but of Pakistani descent.
Their parents and older brother, Mohammad, came from Peshawar, in the Northwestern Frontier Province, close to the border with Afghanistan. An area well known as a conservative and traditional community, which sadly became the breeding ground for Muslim extremism and terrorist training.
The whole family where devout Muslims and attended the local Mosque and would take regular trips back to Peshawar to help the local community.
Despite being subject to some horrific abuse and bigotry by the local mouth breathers(particularly post 9/11), and anti the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, they remained peaceful and did not retaliate with violence, only strong words and assertiveness, often condemning the actions of the extremists. They integrated and the brothers often wore western clothes, played football, listened to chart music and helped to teach their parents to speak English.
In 2005,Mohammad went to Peshawar to help with the relief effort, following a devastating earthquake, which killed approximately 80,000. Unfortunately, he made the mistake of taking his English partner, which the local Taliban did not take kindly to.
And so, despite being a devout Muslim, a kind and generous man, and traveling halfway across the world - at his own expense- to help his fellow people, he was kidnapped, and beaten so badly that he sadly died of his injuries.
The whole family, who were completely devastated, returned to Peshawar for the funeral and I never saw them again.
So what I guess I'm trying to say is that we should condemn and shut down, with absolute force if necessary, those Muslims who use violence as away to assert their point. But equally, we shouldn't tar all Muslims as extremists and terrorists, particularly when many are killed (by extremists) for not being exactly the Muslim that they expect them to be.
Tant said:
I'm probably not alone in thinking we have been too tolerant about these sorts of things. I'm sure that no matter how misguided and misinformed our wars in the east might have been, how oppressive we might have seemed, the intention was to liberate people from oppression, mainly religious oppression, to allow them to live a life as a free and individual person.
I can't really see how that was such a bad thing. But yet these religious idiots do. I'm afraid that I, and many others, will run out of any sort of sympathy or tolerance for people who we welcome in, try and help and just throw it back in our face for not believing in their religious idiocy.
We should have just left them to be oppressed by Saddam and the other dictators. At least they had, some sort, of a lid on it
They were not oppressed, they were ruled by Saddam, Gaddafi etc with an iron fist. I can't really see how that was such a bad thing. But yet these religious idiots do. I'm afraid that I, and many others, will run out of any sort of sympathy or tolerance for people who we welcome in, try and help and just throw it back in our face for not believing in their religious idiocy.
We should have just left them to be oppressed by Saddam and the other dictators. At least they had, some sort, of a lid on it
Because that was what was needed.
Bliar and Bush ended it and we now have the fruits of their wonderful endeavours.
Mr_B said:
The second is that footage of them storming the supermarket and slowly opening the doors and waiting for the shutter to roll up slowly. I really hope we are missing footage of others smashing there way in at that moment, it just struck me and chillingly slow gaining entry. Hope that doesn't sound 'armchair general' type stuff, but more observations to might need debate.
Agreed, as I watched it slowly wind up, inside I was screaming blow out the windows, FFS blow out the windows.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff