Oh dear!

[Mill Wheel]

How do the press get hold of photographs of offences?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1390009/Ca...

Pictures are shown as being copyright of the SUN newspaper - so did the Sun have a photographer at the scene?

I think not, or they would have used them sooner?

The events portrayed are actually a side show to the main event - an investigation into:

The Daily Wail/The Sun said:

...the squad's misuse of property.

Nine members were suspended after they were caught allegedly using confiscated cars at work, and seized televisions, Playstations and mobile phones.

A drug dealer also alleged that they used water torture on him to extract information, The Sun claims.

However none was ever charged due to lack of evidence.

The five involved in the car arrest will attend a disciplinary hearing on July 4.

A Metropolitan Police spokeswoman said: 'Misconduct charges have been served on five officers from the Enfield Crime Squad. All five face allegations of discreditable conduct.

So none were ever charged, and have not yet faced their disciplinary, and yet details including photographs have appeared in the press?

What is going on? And why is the Daily Mail reduced to reprinting stories and pictures from the Sun?
Surely these officers deserve a super injunction preventing the release of this information BEFORE they go to their disciplinary... or do they not earn enough money like Ryan Giggs?

(Mods, delete if I am not allowed to use that name! Substitute "cheating low life footballer!")

[streaky]

It's OK to say the name; there's no longer any need to resort to subterfuges such as claiming Imogen Thomas used RYANair to fly to GIG(s)S.

Now for the remaining super-injunctors.

Streaky

[Mr_annie_vxr]

Police officers robustly deal with criminal who has threatened to shoot police. Who has been cOnvictdd of driving a stolen car. Police officers lambasted by DM and by DM readers. The same DM and readers who moan and complain about the police not dealing with criminals.

Is it any wonder more and more officers slowly give up and just go to work and take the easy life.

DM is most contradictory paper as are it's readrship.

[Mr Trophy]

Er, is that a baseball bat in his hands there?

[Mr_annie_vxr]

Yes. Common tactic when dealing with known violent offenders to put windows in on the car. Baseball bats work better than batons. It's designed to create shock and awe. To distact. Confuse and intimidate. To gain effective control of the offender before they try to drive off or retaliate with violence.
The force used has been shown no sufficient for criminal charges ( threshold is lower for police) the handcuffed man has been convicted of handling a stolen car. Based on thR unit doing the arresting he will have been quite active in selling on or organising theft of new cars by burglary.

[Mr_annie_vxr]

Yes. Common tactic when dealing with known violent offenders to put windows in on the car. Baseball bats work better than batons. It's designed to create shock and awe. To distact. Confuse and intimidate. To gain effective control of the offender before they try to drive off or retaliate with violence.
The force used has been shown no sufficient for criminal charges ( threshold is lower for police) the handcuffed man has been convicted of handling a stolen car. Based on thR unit doing the arresting he will have been quite active in selling on or organising theft of new cars by burglary.

[montyvr6]

So who picks up the cost of the car getting smashed to bits? Surely the police have some duty of care to try to return the stolen car in as un-damaged condition as possible?

[BigS]

Mr_annie_vxr said:

Yes. Common tactic when dealing with known violent offenders to put windows in on the car. Baseball bats work better than batons. It's designed to create shock and awe. To distact. Confuse and intimidate. To gain effective control of the offender before they try to drive off or retaliate with violence.

If using one can prevent things like this happening, then it sounds like a good idea to me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QRzZkXvhIU

[ilovemygt35]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6RZjK0SSKo&fea...

what a shocking vid, attack attack attack, are we in another war? very very heave handed considering "suspect" was stationary in traffic officers were lead to believe "suspect" was armed, but instead of guns officers brought baseball bats, i thought standard issue baseball bats were banned after the murder of Blair Peach.

yet another example of why we should not arm officers

Edited by ilovemygt35 on Tuesday 24th May 12:22

[Blackpig2]

ilovemygt35 said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6RZjK0SSKo&fea...

what a shocking vid, attack attack attack, are we in another war? very very heave handed considering "suspect" was stationary in traffic officers were lead to believe "suspect" was armed, but instead of guns officers brought baseball bats, i thought standard issue baseball bats were banned after the murder of Blair Peach.

yet another example of why we should not arm officers

Edited by ilovemygt35 on Tuesday 24th May 12:22

You would rather they opened fire on the offender then?
What are you trying to say??

[Shuvi Tupya]

I imagine his employers won't be happy about him getting arrested on film, in his work uniform

[Terminator X]

BigS said:

If using one can prevent things like this happening, then it sounds like a good idea to me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QRzZkXvhIU

Indeed a b/bat sounds enirely sensible given the above. Some people are clearly lunatics, which rubs off on the rest of us unfortunately as presumably Plod must treat us all as potential nutters ...

TX.

[ilovemygt35]

Terminator X said:

Indeed a b/bat sounds enirely sensible given the above. Some people are clearly lunatics, which rubs off on the rest of us unfortunately as presumably Plod must treat us all as potential nutters ...

TX.

this "nutter" was quietly sat is his car in traffic he has nowhere to go, if you were to believe listening to tracy chapman (audio added later by the police)

[oobster]

ilovemygt35 said:

Terminator X said:

Indeed a b/bat sounds enirely sensible given the above. Some people are clearly lunatics, which rubs off on the rest of us unfortunately as presumably Plod must treat us all as potential nutters ...

TX.

this "nutter" was quietly sat is his car in traffic he has nowhere to go, if you were to believe listening to tracy chapman (audio added later by the police)

ALLEGEDLY added later by the police.

If you read the article the person in the mini had ALLEGEDLY threatened to shoot a police officer after the death of his brother while being pursued by the police.

Should the police have approached the car and timidly and gently asked the young man if he wouldn't mind stepping out of the vehicle?

Or should they use the method they DID take, which I would imagine (not being a police officer myself) be much safer for the officers?

If a known criminal, who has apparently threatened to shoot police officers, steals my car then I know I would be happy for them to do whatever it takes to remove the criminal(s) from the vehicle while ensuring their safety and that of the general public around them.

[Carnage]

By way of context:

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentonline/news/2011-1...

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-60322066.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ged_Walker

Can be a bit tricky removing people from cars who don't want to come out.

[Mill Wheel]

I have only seen the stills, but it doesn't seem any worse than hard stops shown on TV in programs like Police, Camera, Action.

What I find more curious is that these pictures (copyrighted by the Sun) have surfaced after all this time, and that the story is getting aired ahead of their disciplinary!

[Shuvi Tupya]

Carnage said:

By way of context:

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentonline/news/2011-1...

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-60322066.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ged_Walker

Can be a bit tricky removing people from cars who don't want to come out.

I wonder if those other vehicles were also stuck in gridlocked traffic though?

Is it normal procedure to approach a gunman like that, or is it more likely that the cops actually had no reason to think this guy might have a gun on him?

[Carnage]

Shuvi Tupya said:

I wonder if those other vehicles were also stuck in gridlocked traffic though?

Is it normal procedure to approach a gunman like that, or is it more likely that the cops actually had no reason to think this guy might have a gun on him?

I know Ged's wasn't; one of the others was. Not sure about the third. Best time to strike a vehicle is obviously while its boxed in, but it doesn't preclude them squashing you against a parked vehicle. From personal experience, in some ways that's scarier. Also, you can't blame a member of public for moving his car out of the way when some uninsured scrote is bashing into it - seen that happen too.

If they genuinely thought he had a gun AND it was a pre-planned operation, it wouldn't have been done quite like that. It could have been a spontaneous job in which case the video does show one valid tactic.

Personally, the strike looks fine to me. As stated above, it worked in disorientating the driver. No one looked out of control; all force stopped when the driver was cuffed; and they were filming and photographing themselves for use in court. The "background" music however? Hmmm...

[fastasflip]

The young chap in the stolen car looks to be a reason fellow, maybe the constables should have wrote to him and requested the return of the car making sure it is cleaned and fuelled when and only when this is done they would pay for a taxi home......especially in the dark

[Shuvi Tupya]

Carnage said:

The "background" music however? Hmmm...

That is very wierd, i could see how they might add sound effects to a private copy of the video but if they have added music to the actual video then they have tampered with evidence needlessly!