Police Memorial day

[XCP]

I see Winsor had the neck to turn up in a Chief Officers uniform.
Has the man no shame?. Very very poor form.

[10 Pence Short]

Almost as bad as a group of officers in a conspiracy to remove a government minister, then the force investigating the matter suppressing the results until such an occassion they can hide it behind a bigger news item.

The Police need reforming, and Winsor is fighting the good fight.

[XCP]

He's a politician who has never served one day as a constable but obviously like dressing up. I bet he wouldn't have the balls to wear that uniform in some of the places I used to patrol.

You think that his dress is appropriate?

[Mk3Spitfire]

XCP said:

He's a politician who has never served one day as a constable but obviously like dressing up. I bet he wouldn't have the balls to wear that uniform in some of the places I used to patrol.

You think that his dress is appropriate?

+1, a disgrace.

[Bigends]

Looks like one of Idi Amins castoffs looks a tt in it

[10 Pence Short]

XCP said:

He's a politician who has never served one day as a constable but obviously like dressing up. I bet he wouldn't have the balls to wear that uniform in some of the places I used to patrol.

You think that his dress is appropriate?

Grow up.

[Dibble]

I wonder if he ever wore a train driver's or guard's uniform when he was the rail regulator? Or a G4S custody officer uniform while he was a partner at White and Case LLP. Thought not.

[XCP]

10 Pence Short said:

Grow up.

Dear oh dear.
I take it you think his dress is appropriate then. At a day to honour officers who have given their lives in the line of duty. This man, who has never spent an hour policing or sharing their risks, dresses as if he has.
Pathetic.

[Dibble]

10 Pence Short said:

XCP said:

He's a politician who has never served one day as a constable but obviously like dressing up. I bet he wouldn't have the balls to wear that uniform in some of the places I used to patrol.

You think that his dress is appropriate?

Grow up.

Winsor needs to grow up instead of playing dress up. And to claim that he wore the uniform as a sign of respect shows just how out of touch he is. It's not even a "real" police uniform, it's a made up one. He shouldn't wear a uniform that has any appearance of a police uniform. It is insulting to me and my colleagues who've actually worn the uniform and put ourselves in harm's way.

Personally, I wouldn't have ANY politicians at the national police Memorial Day, or the likes of Winsor. Their mere presence cheapens the day and belittles the sacrifices those officers made.

[Bigends]

Dark suit and bowler to doff would have been more appropriate

[carinaman]

Why would Winsor do that?

Is he another one with a uniform fetish?

Is he tooled up with Pepper Spray?


Was it here that someone mentioned an overly keen Special, that after a couple of weeks had procured his own van and decked it out like one of the BiB dog handler vans?

Isn't wearing the uniform when you're not entitled to a bit like that?

Is he entitled to? His role grants him the right to wear that garb?

It's so he can get onto UniformDating.com?

I just hope he keeps his earpiece in while he's at it.

Edited by carinaman on Monday 30th September 20:12

[baldy1926]

I suppose you could take it to the next level and if you are a major supplier to the police or armed forces you might as well wear the relevant uniform.
I would like to know who told him that was a good idea

[carinaman]

I've just found the police oracle website. It's a downer like foodie's dashcam footage.

That officer getting crushed by a burglar driving a car, OJ Simpson stealing cookies in prison and the new police college mooting fees, a bit like I and Pitmansboots used to pay for our IIE memberships.

Is that the new police college that's going to get the police to understand and embrace ethics and ethical behaviour?


'Police reform'? Tory politicians may utter the soundbites, but there's little sign of it. Seems like business as usual.

The police, like politicians aren't Ronseal. What they do is printed on the inside of the tin where it's very difficult to read or understand unless you're on the inside.

Why do I bother voting again? Don't answer that one Von.

Edited by carinaman on Monday 30th September 20:27

[XCP]

I am sorry but what on earth has this last post got to do with the Police Memorial Day?

[Elroy Blue]

As soon as you see who the poster is, you should expect something inane, pointless and worthy of a Sec 136

[carinaman]

http://www.policeoracle.com/news/Miscellaneous/201...

I wanted to see what he looked like with the uniform on. Couldn't he show his respect without being in uniform?

Is he allowed to wear it?

Was he doing it to deliberately wind up the police? Did he not think it would make public news? Did he think the public would be impressed or offended?

All that braid looks like a potential hazard, just as wandering around with an ID card on a lanyard around the neck on a used car lot may be. Is there enough braid to wrap it around his neck?

That officer saying that officers should pay 'membership fees' to fund the new police college isn't good:

http://www.policeoracle.com/news/HR%2C+Personnel+a...

I've seen him before:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...

So we had Theresa May saying:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/feb/12/th...

So she mentioned the police getting some college to teach them ethics, and how officers wouldn't be allowed to escape censure by resigning.

So the college that's to help officers become ethical and involve regular recertification of their ethicalness is to be self funded by the officers themselves? I've spent my own money on educating myself, and indeed the reason that like Pitmansboots that I am no longer a member of the IIE is that I thought the subscription fees could be better spent elsewhere.

So Theresa May, or the reformers want the police to get ethical, but it's not that important that there will be any funds to help them and that police officers should pay for it themselves?

I can see it's a model that works elsewhere, but didn't the IAM have to ramp up their subs to cover a misguided diversification into professional driver training? I remember seeing the photo in their mag of two or three high flyers that the IAM recruited from utilites to drive that expansion.

Is it ethical for Winsor to wear that get up?

Is it more or less ethical for him to wear that get up to that particular event?

Given we had police floating the idea that Ian Tomlinson could have been shoved over by a Protestor wearing a police uniform, perhaps none of us should get offended by Winsor bearing comparison to a Sacha Baron Cohen character? Were TVRboy's prospects looking to get a 1/3rd off an E39 BiB or impersonating BiB?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/remembrance-d...

How does Winsor's actions compare to that faker wearing those medals to a memorial parade?

I like comparisons? Well decisions in Courts set precedents don't they?

I could be giving you comparisons for you to MITCHELL him, though others may have thought of them already. Look at the retired Colonel using the killing of Drummer Lee Rigby in protestations against regimental cuts.

Edited by carinaman on Monday 30th September 23:37

[Red 4]

Shameful.

Can't say I'm surprised.

[carinaman]

His Train Drivers uniform was at the dry cleaners.

[ClaphamGT3]

Are not the regulations on uniform for the role he occupies set out somewhere?

[carinaman]

http://www.emergencyshorts.co.uk/blog/police/Surre...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10344...

They say that it's ceremonial and not a police uniform.

To a certain degree whatever he did may have been wrong. Some would have moaned if he'd attended in whatever lawyers usually wear to work.

Should he have stayed away? He'd have got it in the neck for that.

You can't please all of the people all of the time.

Whose police is it? The police, the history and copyrighted images of the police only belongs to serving officers? Where does the idea that only police officers can drive and control the police fit with the police are the public and the public are the police? It's not as though all police officers agree on stuff or sing off of the same hymm sheet is it.

Winsor was ill advised wearing a uniform with that amount of rope on it given he's trying to herd cats?

The police belongs to the police, just as some of them think the rule book and the truth does?