Incitement to religious hatred....and other racist behaviour
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With all the nonsense happening Post-Brexit with manky racists, becoming emboldened by the rise of the "Alt-right" or in plain speak downright, racist no-marks (in most cases), or old-fashioned dinosaurs, who have no inclination to see any reason to adopt modern, enlightened ways of thinking in other cases, and the election of Homer, sorry - Donald J Trump in the States - it's becoming a frightening place to be non-white and non-Christian. It's even become an issue for Brexiteer, Nadhim Zahawi (sp?), founder of YouGov, who can no longer visit his sons, who study at Princeton Uni. Who'd have thought that an isolationist would get to enjoy his isolation in well, isolation from his poor sons who are thousands of miles from home?
In this country post-Brexit, reports of religious and racially motivated attacks are on a rise with a trajectory so steep it would make the head of a stunt pilot spin uncontrollably. Who else finds this totally unacceptable? Or is it a case of "It's a local country, for local people" with the majority on folk on here? (I suspect I already know the answer, I'm just hoping to be proven wrong) This also goes for football bigots in Scotland, where racially abusive and sectarianism of a right-wing nature seems to be on the rise. Those who attempt to defend it are an eternal pox on Scotland. Such behaviour is shameful and those responsible are the lowest vermin on earth. No wonder folk South of the border get the impression that people in Scotland are at best "rowdy" for want of a better term and downright disgusting at worst. Thank God I can claim to be Irish (passport application sent off yesterday).
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In this country post-Brexit, reports of religious and racially motivated attacks are on a rise with a trajectory so steep it would make the head of a stunt pilot spin uncontrollably. Who else finds this totally unacceptable? Or is it a case of "It's a local country, for local people" with the majority on folk on here? (I suspect I already know the answer, I'm just hoping to be proven wrong) This also goes for football bigots in Scotland, where racially abusive and sectarianism of a right-wing nature seems to be on the rise. Those who attempt to defend it are an eternal pox on Scotland. Such behaviour is shameful and those responsible are the lowest vermin on earth. No wonder folk South of the border get the impression that people in Scotland are at best "rowdy" for want of a better term and downright disgusting at worst. Thank God I can claim to be Irish (passport application sent off yesterday).
P.S. Mods, if this post belongs elsewhere, please feel free to repost it there...
pcvdriver said:
This also goes for football bigots in Scotland, where racially abusive and sectarianism of a right-wing nature seems to be on the rise. Those who attempt to defend it are an eternal pox on Scotland. Such behaviour is shameful and those responsible are the lowest vermin on earth. No wonder folk South of the border get the impression that people in Scotland are at best "rowdy" for want of a better term and downright disgusting at worst. Thank God I can claim to be Irish (passport application sent off yesterday).
It isn't on the rise, it's just more visible because of Facebook etc. The sadsacks who get off on this stuff are just that, sadsacks. Many supporters of the old firm hail from across the water, the ferries and planes from Ireland and NI are busy on match days so I fail to see what difference an Irish passport makes.As for the rest of the post it's not clear to me what point, if any, you are trying to make.
Edited by hidetheelephants on Sunday 5th February 07:25
OP is PC Principal and I claim my £5 Oakleys voucher 
On a more serious point, I don't believe racism is any more prevalent than it has been, in fact probably far less. What is more prevalent is everyone moaning about everything. Each generation is generally more accepting of race, sexuality and other differences. We don't need it rammed down our throats (BLM, aggressive feminism etc).... most people aren't racist in the slightest.
On a more serious point, I don't believe racism is any more prevalent than it has been, in fact probably far less. What is more prevalent is everyone moaning about everything. Each generation is generally more accepting of race, sexuality and other differences. We don't need it rammed down our throats (BLM, aggressive feminism etc).... most people aren't racist in the slightest.
I grew up in the 70s. There is far less racism now. Because there is less, it is now more obvious when it happens.
For example, I was in a class with two boys called Michael. One was black, the only black boy in the class. The teachers called him 'Black Michael' and the other one just 'Michael'. This was acceptable in 1977, we have moved on a lot.
For example, I was in a class with two boys called Michael. One was black, the only black boy in the class. The teachers called him 'Black Michael' and the other one just 'Michael'. This was acceptable in 1977, we have moved on a lot.
Before this post inevitably goes down hill, I will add my view.
I think categorising views into "left" and "right" wing is simplistic. There's more factors in play.
But it strikes me the uk has had 20 ish years of political mantra that multiculturalism and immigration are what the uk should believe in and buy into.
At any point during that time, attempts to question or query the consequences of that policy have been completely shot down, with anyone attempting it being branded a racist.
The brexit vote wasn't actually a vote asking "are you a racist?" though to many on facebook, it might have well have been.
The upsurge in reported incedents of racism is sad, and reflect s badly on the uk. I suspect a small minority (geddit?) now feel emboldened to display their latent racism that was there all along.
But I feel if a bit more effort had been spent listening to indigenous uk's views (and incorporating them into policy) then a. thse whole brexit saga could have been avoided and b. the genuine racists could have been targeted instead of anyone who asked a person to sell pork, shake hands with a women, etc.
And op: 1am? Been drinking, have we sir?
I think categorising views into "left" and "right" wing is simplistic. There's more factors in play.
But it strikes me the uk has had 20 ish years of political mantra that multiculturalism and immigration are what the uk should believe in and buy into.
At any point during that time, attempts to question or query the consequences of that policy have been completely shot down, with anyone attempting it being branded a racist.
The brexit vote wasn't actually a vote asking "are you a racist?" though to many on facebook, it might have well have been.
The upsurge in reported incedents of racism is sad, and reflect s badly on the uk. I suspect a small minority (geddit?) now feel emboldened to display their latent racism that was there all along.
But I feel if a bit more effort had been spent listening to indigenous uk's views (and incorporating them into policy) then a. thse whole brexit saga could have been avoided and b. the genuine racists could have been targeted instead of anyone who asked a person to sell pork, shake hands with a women, etc.
And op: 1am? Been drinking, have we sir?
Dammit said:
Brexit would appear to be inevitable now, I don't see a great deal of point in debating it.
The question has become whether those who voted for it (who are still alive when we leave, of course) are happy with what they end up getting.
Not really. The question is whether they will be more happy than if we had stayed in (with all that that entails).The question has become whether those who voted for it (who are still alive when we leave, of course) are happy with what they end up getting.
How do you define where the economy, NHS etc would have been in 2020 if we'd stayed in though?
The expectation of leaving the EU is that all the bad things ascribed to Brussels and immigration will vanish, and that's a long list headed by things like waiting lists at your GP and access to housing through to lack of employment and investment in the former industrial areas of the UK.
Now these are real issues, but they're not going to get "fixed" by leaving as the causal factors behind them are not those which have been advanced/identified.
The expectation of leaving the EU is that all the bad things ascribed to Brussels and immigration will vanish, and that's a long list headed by things like waiting lists at your GP and access to housing through to lack of employment and investment in the former industrial areas of the UK.
Now these are real issues, but they're not going to get "fixed" by leaving as the causal factors behind them are not those which have been advanced/identified.
All I was doing was pointing out that to ask whether one (out of two) courses of action will make somebody happy or not isn't logical, instead one should ask which of the two courses open will make that person the happiest.
Everybody who voted for Brexit will have had their own reasons for doing so, I voted for Brexit too, and although Japanese cameras are now more expensive I don't mind because I believe that the long term advantages will outweigh the disadvantages.
Also I laugh at the idea of the Eurozone imposing tariffs on us, as the BBC keeps threatening us that they will, because it will hurt them more than it hurts us.
If we continue the discussion in this vein then this thread will definitely be in the wrong sub-forum.
Everybody who voted for Brexit will have had their own reasons for doing so, I voted for Brexit too, and although Japanese cameras are now more expensive I don't mind because I believe that the long term advantages will outweigh the disadvantages.
Also I laugh at the idea of the Eurozone imposing tariffs on us, as the BBC keeps threatening us that they will, because it will hurt them more than it hurts us.
If we continue the discussion in this vein then this thread will definitely be in the wrong sub-forum.
Dammit said:
What advantages are there to leaving which you believe we'll see?
My big three:- Europe is the only continent not in economic growth. The EU is not working.
- Being outside the EU when the Euro collapses (inevitable in my opinion) will be preferable to being inside it
- There is a lot more money outside the EU than inside it, but the silly quibbles of the 27 hinder us going after it. One of dozens of stupid reasons why there is no EU USA trade deal is that the French veto box-sets. f
king box-sets! This is the type of treacle we are wading through.
Trying to stop this becoming another debate on the rights & wrongs of Brexit and going back to the OP...
I don't think there are more racists now than 3 years ago, but they have become more brazen in their behaviour.
Some feel that the result gives them the right to tell non UK citizens (or just those who "don't look British") that it's time for them to go home.
I don't think there are more racists now than 3 years ago, but they have become more brazen in their behaviour.
Some feel that the result gives them the right to tell non UK citizens (or just those who "don't look British") that it's time for them to go home.
rscott said:
Trying to stop this becoming another debate on the rights & wrongs of Brexit and going back to the OP...
I don't think there are more racists now than 3 years ago, but they have become more brazen in their behaviour.
Some feel that the result gives them the right to tell non UK citizens (or just those who "don't look British") that it's time for them to go home.
I think we actually don't know whether there is more racism or just more reporting of it since it has assumed such a high profile in the media after Brexit vote. I think it's quite wrong to report it as more racism without clear evidence since it also contributes to the labelling of brexiteers as racist. I would like to think that this outcome wasn't the purpose of such inaccurate reporting.I don't think there are more racists now than 3 years ago, but they have become more brazen in their behaviour.
Some feel that the result gives them the right to tell non UK citizens (or just those who "don't look British") that it's time for them to go home.
The reporting of certain types of religious and racism have become more widely available, the whole anti Muslim rants are just fed by social media and a changing world. There was a small clip on sky news last week stating attacks on Jews in the uk had gone up to at least 2-3 times a day, 2 min segment and nothing else. When I grew up in Dagenham it was the standard anti black/Asian verbal st, even though we all lived together, used the only 24hr shop run by a Pakistani family and worked at fords with West Indians. Over the years I've seen black folk hating Asians, Asians hating muslims, whites hating anyone who isn't white but worshipping non white footballers, rappers and reality muppets. The fear of being branded racist has stopped some sensible debate on interracial integration, the whole brexit racist needs to stop. I know 2 groups organised by Asians and sikhs that are tracking down Muslim sex offenders and outing them on social media, they need more groups like this, I'm seen as a right wing racist if I bring it up.
t, even though we all lived together, used the only 24hr shop run by a Pakistani family and worked at fords with West Indians. Over the years I've seen black folk hating Asians, Asians hating muslims, whites hating anyone who isn't white but worshipping non white footballers, rappers and reality muppets. The fear of being branded racist has stopped some sensible debate on interracial integration, the whole brexit racist needs to stop. I know 2 groups organised by Asians and sikhs that are tracking down Muslim sex offenders and outing them on social media, they need more groups like this, I'm seen as a right wing racist if I bring it up. Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff