Legitmate NIP delaying tactics?

[thisistedious]

So, fellow PHers, I may have a nasty little NIP on the the way. Just a three pointer and I'm currently only on three, but for various work and insurance reasons, anything above six may be a serious problem. However, the three I have disappear in about six months.

Thus, I am hoping for advice regards delaying the addition of three new points to my licence. Obviously I can:

1. Use the full 28 period to reply to the NIP.

Can I then:

2. Request help identifying the driver?

And then perhaps:

3. Ask for further proof - calibration docs etc?

4. Anything else?

I'm not looking to break any laws or avoid the points, merely to reduce the period when I am operating with six points to an absolute minimum.

Thanks in advance.

[Megaflow]

IMO, all of the above. The system works on people rolling over and admitting guilt. If we all played the system within the rules as you are planning, then the system would soon fall apart.

[oldsoak]

I don't see you have a problem to worry about...
You have three points currently...yes?
More than 6 (you tell us) would be detrimental to your wallet and work prospects..yes?
You stand to gain another 3 points from your latest adventure into the realms of the illegal...Yes?
Well when I went to school (not often and a long while ago) 3+3=6...not more than 6 or less than 6 but 6.

Now you want us to come up with some pie in the sky delaying tactics to avoid both sets of 3 points being on your licence together...when what you should be doing is ensuring you don't get caught out AGAIN...at least until 3 of the points are time barred. Just take the points and move on...life is complicated enough without adding more confusion to it.

[Stoofa]

As far as I'm aware it really doesn't matter how long you delay for as the points count from the time of offence.
Remember that until you say "Not Guilty" the police do not have to send you any pictures.
If they do, you'll get them in about 7-10 days.

Really don't see how you're going to delay for 6 months.

[AndyAudi]

Stoofa said:

Remember that until you say "Not Guilty" the police do not have to send you any pictures.
If they do, you'll get them in about 7-10 days.

Depends on force,
I got e-mailed photos within 24hrs (wanted to have copy of the photo)

[BDZ]

You could do everything you've suggested but asking for calibration docs etc would only follow a not guilty plea, which means a trial. Courts will accept reasonable grounds to adjourn trials BUT they won't delay things simply so you can avoid prosecution. If they think you are dragging things out for the sake of it they'll nail your hat on.

[vonhosen]

Stoofa said:

As far as I'm aware it really doesn't matter how long you delay for as the points count from the time of offence.

This.

[14-7]

thisistedious said:

1. Use the full 28 period to reply to the NIP.

Can I then:

2. Request help identifying the driver?

Not really because the NIP has to be returned within the 28 days.

thisistedious said:

And then perhaps:

3. Ask for further proof - calibration docs etc?

No, the only way you will get calibration docs is if you plead not guilty, you can't ask for evidence before completing the 172.

thisistedious said:

I'm not looking to break any laws

Too late.

[thisistedious]

oldsoak said:

Now you want us to come up with some pie in the sky delaying tactics to avoid both sets of 3 points being on your licence together...when what you should be doing is ensuring you don't get caught out AGAIN...

Hi oldsoak! I'm afraid you appear to be labouring under the misapprehension that I could give the slightest st about such mealy mouthed, statist, apparatchik twaddle. It's inevitable, really, given that it's become impossible to post any question about speeding offences without a herd of bureacracy-fetishising eunuchs bleating in redundant fashion about not breaking the limit in the first place.

Put another way, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Or yet another way, sod off!

For anyone in the position to actually provide further information rather than deliver an unsolicited, unwanted and very likely utterly hypocritical lesson in ethics, I'll add a little detail.

The drill goes something like this. For certain types of car loans, what happens is you give a chap your plastic licence, he rings up the DVLA, hands the phone to you, you then identify yourself and give permission for access to your records. Chap in turn is then told how many points you have and if it's eight or less, all is well. Exactly what the terms of the insurance are, I don't know. The simple fact is that the question is asked of the DVLA re points and if it's eight or less, everyone is happy. No further questions are asked of anyone.

Thus, delaying prosecution can have a material impact on the outcome of said phonecall! This is a simple matter of fact.

It's also a fact that there are at least some ways of delaying the points appearing with the DVLA, one of which is using up the initial 28 day period. I am merely enquiring what further options I may have open to me.

One immediate question regards requesting any images or other evidence to identify the driver. Is this not a reasonable request that any police force really ought to comply with? Would have thought a written request and a bit of back and forth might buy one at least a month on return for 10 minutes composition?

[Exige77]

oldsoak said:

I don't see you have a problem to worry about...
You have three points currently...yes?
More than 6 (you tell us) would be detrimental to your wallet and work prospects..yes?
You stand to gain another 3 points from your latest adventure into the realms of the illegal...Yes?
Well when I went to school (not often and a long while ago) 3+3=6...not more than 6 or less than 6 but 6.

Now you want us to come up with some pie in the sky delaying tactics to avoid both sets of 3 points being on your licence together...when what you should be doing is ensuring you don't get caught out AGAIN...at least until 3 of the points are time barred. Just take the points and move on...life is complicated enough without adding more confusion to it.

Really helpful post

Ex77

[R3v 1]

Um.. I am going to get crucified here but.. sod it..

Why not do as you suggested.. Help Identify driver, Wait 3 weeks before returning NIP etc...

Lets say that takes... 2 month at a guess. Could always just keep your new 3 points quiet from Insurance/company. Leave it 4 months then declare the new addition (Or by this point old addition).

It's risky but it is an option.

Also, unlucky on getting caught out. Everyone who reads this has sped at sometime or another so ignore those with the ''Holier than tho' attitude

Sorry if the above offends anyone of a sensitive nature.

Edited by R3v 1 on Thursday 3rd March 22:11

[14-7]

There is also the problem that should the OP receive a summons and then his renewal he has to declare an impending prosecution. That can be worse than actually having just the 3 points as the insurer can assume that he may get 6 and load the premium appropriately.

[thisistedious]

I'm well aware of my obligation to inform my own insurers re impending prosecutions and would not shirk it. Moreover, should anyone actually ask regards a loan about pending prosecutions I'll be full and frank. But they don't. They only want to know if the licence is valid and how many points exist. Sometimes they ring the DVLA to confirm.

[Flintstone]

Do you have other convictions for things related to ohhhhhhhh, let's say something occurring from lack of anger management?

Just askin'

[Guybrush]

thisistedious said:

oldsoak said:

Now you want us to come up with some pie in the sky delaying tactics to avoid both sets of 3 points being on your licence together...when what you should be doing is ensuring you don't get caught out AGAIN...

Hi oldsoak! I'm afraid you appear to be labouring under the misapprehension that I could give the slightest st about such mealy mouthed, statist, apparatchik twaddle. It's inevitable, really, given that it's become impossible to post any question about speeding offences without a herd of bureacracy-fetishising eunuchs bleating in redundant fashion about not breaking the limit in the first place.

Put another way, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Or yet another way, sod off!

Well said. Every word of it.

[grumpy geezer]

thisistedious said:

So, fellow PHers, I may have a nasty little NIP on the the way. Just a three pointer and I'm currently only on three, but for various work and insurance reasons, anything above six may be a serious problem. However, the three I have disappear in about six months.

Thus, I am hoping for advice regards delaying the addition of three new points to my licence. Obviously I can:

1. Use the full 28 period to reply to the NIP.

Can I then:

2. Request help identifying the driver?

And then perhaps:

3. Ask for further proof - calibration docs etc?

4. Anything else?

I'm not looking to break any laws or avoid the points, merely to reduce the period when I am operating with six points to an absolute minimum.

Thanks in advance.

Your points count from the date of offence so delay is futile and risky.

If you do not provide the details requested in the 28 days you risk 6 points counting from 29 days after the date of the NIP. It is feasible that the police could issue a summons for the failure to reply on of just after day 29.

If you are the registered keeper of the vehicle you risk another 3 points for the speeding if the presume you were the driver and you do not do a good enough job of rebutting this presumption in court; adding another 3 points.

As you have 3 and risk another 9, if you are the registered keeper, you will be at risk of a totting up ban.

Good luck with the "legitimate" delaying tactics, I don't think there are any but the police do sometimes fall for delaying tactics, not so much these days though, they are more prone to issuing early summons for awkward customers, it's cheaper and more efficient.

[Big_Dog]

sooo, what happens if the post is a bit unreliable in your street?

[Boosted LS1]

^ This. OP, you don't want to receive it within 14 days. So, either nail up your box or maybe it'll find it's way onto somebody elses doormat if posties careless. Once past 14 days they'll send you another one. Then you can play silly buggers because they can't prove the first one ever arrived. After all, why send out a second NIP if they think you got the first? Greed and easy money spring to mind. Better still if it's returned to them out of time having been sent to a wrong address first. Or resent to you out of time. There are so many flaws in the mailing system these days they really should be more careful. If only they'd use registered

[Flintstone]

So let me get this straight.

Someone is seeking to wriggle out of the consequences of their own lawbreaking and we're fine with that? Not only fine, we're offering suggestions on how to do it? I'm sure of course that the next thread in spaz-speak from a low brow, knuckle dragging chav defending their lack of insurance/MOT/tax or stretched tyres will be given the same degree of help

What happened to the old PH mantra of manning the fk up?






Signed

Flintstone
Serial Speed Limit Breaker Who Will Cop It Sweet Should He Get Caught.

[Exige77]

The OP is not trying to "Avoid" what's due him.

As he has clearly stated he just wants to "delay" the process for the reasons stated.

Ex77