201mph indicated speed in Sussex

201mph indicated speed in Sussex

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Glenn63

2,861 posts

86 months

Saturday 23rd May 2020
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Dave Hedgehog said:
Oceanrower said:
Well. It wont happen. But, if it did...

As the A6 is already limited to mid 140's, I'd imagine they'd just do what this guy did and take it off.
all new cars from 2022 are going to be limited by gps to the posted limit
I can just Imagine all the people who like to speed up and block overtakes in their new cars frothing and raging as they hit there NSL limiter as i just cruise past with a wave in my old car laugh

irocfan

40,724 posts

192 months

Saturday 23rd May 2020
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Dave Hedgehog said:
all new cars from 2022 are going to be limited by gps to the posted limit
There'll be ways to circumvent

LunarOne

5,365 posts

139 months

Saturday 23rd May 2020
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Dave Hedgehog said:
all new cars from 2022 are going to be limited by gps to the posted limit
No they won't. They'll all stop you going faster unless you deliberately want to.

av185

18,628 posts

129 months

Saturday 23rd May 2020
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irocfan said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
all new cars from 2022 are going to be limited by gps to the posted limit
There'll be ways to circumvent
Which will also circumvent insurance.

Heaveho

5,368 posts

176 months

Saturday 23rd May 2020
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xjay1337 said:
Glenn63 said:
I hit 175 (on the Speedo) in my c63 on my way back from Manchester on the m61. Was a summer Sunday evening very minimal traffic saw a long clear straight thought I’d see what it could do, got up to that and straight back down to my 75 cruise so 30 seconds total acceleration? Obviously very illegal if caught but dangerous? My actual surprise was how it didn’t seem that fast other than the white lines flicking past. The fastest iv ever felt was at college in my friends ancient fiat pander we managed 100mph downhill and the fabric roof started to lift off and I had to hold it down until we reached the magical ton! laugh
Don't go admitting that - people will have heart attacks on here! MANIAC. THINK OF THE CHILDREN. WHAT IF...
It's ok, I'll take their minds off it with my 193 mph best effort. Safe to say I won't ever crack that, regardless of presented opportunities, I'm past that now.

I wouldn't have done what the guy in the vid did, I would never have stayed committed enough to overtake at that speed. I just don't have the stones for it, which is why I knocked it on the head when I did, even though the intention was 200 or more at the outset. It wasn't in this country and I wasn't daft enough to film it .............

Pit Pony

8,817 posts

123 months

Saturday 23rd May 2020
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Heaveho said:
xjay1337 said:
Glenn63 said:
I hit 175 (on the Speedo) in my c63 on my way back from Manchester on the m61. Was a summer Sunday evening very minimal traffic saw a long clear straight thought I’d see what it could do, got up to that and straight back down to my 75 cruise so 30 seconds total acceleration? Obviously very illegal if caught but dangerous? My actual surprise was how it didn’t seem that fast other than the white lines flicking past. The fastest iv ever felt was at college in my friends ancient fiat pander we managed 100mph downhill and the fabric roof started to lift off and I had to hold it down until we reached the magical ton! laugh
Don't go admitting that - people will have heart attacks on here! MANIAC. THINK OF THE CHILDREN. WHAT IF...
It's ok, I'll take their minds off it with my 193 mph best effort. Safe to say I won't ever crack that, regardless of presented opportunities, I'm past that now.

I wouldn't have done what the guy in the vid did, I would never have stayed committed enough to overtake at that speed. I just don't have the stones for it, which is why I knocked it on the head when I did, even though the intention was 200 or more at the outset. It wasn't in this country and I wasn't daft enough to film it .............
I once seized an RD350LC at erm 7000 RPM , and left skid marks on the road

Redline88

405 posts

108 months

Saturday 23rd May 2020
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av185 said:
irocfan said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
all new cars from 2022 are going to be limited by gps to the posted limit
There'll be ways to circumvent
Which will also circumvent insurance.
I don’t think that this will be the case. A bit like when on a BMW test drive they warned me that turning on the sport + or traction control off setting would invalidate insurance.

It would potentially of course raise questions following any investigation but I can’t see it invalidating insurance.

Additionally, having driven a few cars which have this system (ok it’ll be improved as time goes on) but there are a number of problems. Not detecting increased limits and detecting signs from side roads which have turned around to name a couple.

stemll

4,125 posts

202 months

Saturday 23rd May 2020
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Redline88 said:
av185 said:
irocfan said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
all new cars from 2022 are going to be limited by gps to the posted limit
There'll be ways to circumvent
Which will also circumvent insurance.
I don’t think that this will be the case. A bit like when on a BMW test drive they warned me that turning on the sport + or traction control off setting would invalidate insurance.

It would potentially of course raise questions following any investigation but I can’t see it invalidating insurance.

Additionally, having driven a few cars which have this system (ok it’ll be improved as time goes on) but there are a number of problems. Not detecting increased limits and detecting signs from side roads which have turned around to name a couple.
What Redline says. My 2019 Volvo has limit recognition and I can link it to the speed limiter or cruise. I did briefly then promptly turned it off. It has no idea what half the limits are.

Buster73

5,082 posts

155 months

Saturday 23rd May 2020
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Pit Pony said:
Heaveho said:
xjay1337 said:
Glenn63 said:
I hit 175 (on the Speedo) in my c63 on my way back from Manchester on the m61. Was a summer Sunday evening very minimal traffic saw a long clear straight thought I’d see what it could do, got up to that and straight back down to my 75 cruise so 30 seconds total acceleration? Obviously very illegal if caught but dangerous? My actual surprise was how it didn’t seem that fast other than the white lines flicking past. The fastest iv ever felt was at college in my friends ancient fiat pander we managed 100mph downhill and the fabric roof started to lift off and I had to hold it down until we reached the magical ton! laugh
Don't go admitting that - people will have heart attacks on here! MANIAC. THINK OF THE CHILDREN. WHAT IF...
It's ok, I'll take their minds off it with my 193 mph best effort. Safe to say I won't ever crack that, regardless of presented opportunities, I'm past that now.

I wouldn't have done what the guy in the vid did, I would never have stayed committed enough to overtake at that speed. I just don't have the stones for it, which is why I knocked it on the head when I did, even though the intention was 200 or more at the outset. It wasn't in this country and I wasn't daft enough to film it .............
I once seized an RD350LC at erm 7000 RPM , and left skid marks on the road
What about the other skid marks ?

Heaveho

5,368 posts

176 months

Saturday 23rd May 2020
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Pit Pony said:
I once seized an RD350LC at erm 7000 RPM , and left skid marks on the road
Blimey, that brings back memories, I had several of them, probably my best times on bikes really, especially the YPVS ones.

NMNeil

5,860 posts

52 months

Sunday 24th May 2020
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SCEtoAUX said:
Speed limiters won't be introduced, the revenue from speeding fines is too great.
The people will never vote to leave the EU.
Trump will never be elected President.
There are no absolutes anymore.
And speed limiters will be fitted in 2022 to all cars sold in the UK and EU. As for speeding fines, they will still happen for any speed below whatever the cars are limited to.

Sunday 24th May 2020
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NMNeil said:
SCEtoAUX said:
Speed limiters won't be introduced, the revenue from speeding fines is too great.
The people will never vote to leave the EU.
Trump will never be elected President.
There are no absolutes anymore.
And speed limiters will be fitted in 2022 to all cars sold in the UK and EU. As for speeding fines, they will still happen for any speed below whatever the cars are limited to.
LOL...you’ve used examples of democracy in action to qualify a decision made by an unelected, undemocratic and unaccountable bureaucracy.

NMNeil

5,860 posts

52 months

Sunday 24th May 2020
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irocfan said:
There'll be ways to circumvent
Don't you think they have already accounted for that?
Tamper proof PCM's, data loggers the insurance companies can access, and finally if they limit the top speed to 100mph and you are caught driven at 200mph, the car is impounded and later destroyed.They could even charge admission to watch the show.
Skip forward to minute 19:20 for the main event.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAMezJP2VcA

Pit Pony

8,817 posts

123 months

Sunday 24th May 2020
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Buster73 said:
Pit Pony said:
Heaveho said:
xjay1337 said:
Glenn63 said:
I hit 175 (on the Speedo) in my c63 on my way back from Manchester on the m61. Was a summer Sunday evening very minimal traffic saw a long clear straight thought I’d see what it could do, got up to that and straight back down to my 75 cruise so 30 seconds total acceleration? Obviously very illegal if caught but dangerous? My actual surprise was how it didn’t seem that fast other than the white lines flicking past. The fastest iv ever felt was at college in my friends ancient fiat pander we managed 100mph downhill and the fabric roof started to lift off and I had to hold it down until we reached the magical ton! laugh
Don't go admitting that - people will have heart attacks on here! MANIAC. THINK OF THE CHILDREN. WHAT IF...
It's ok, I'll take their minds off it with my 193 mph best effort. Safe to say I won't ever crack that, regardless of presented opportunities, I'm past that now.

I wouldn't have done what the guy in the vid did, I would never have stayed committed enough to overtake at that speed. I just don't have the stones for it, which is why I knocked it on the head when I did, even though the intention was 200 or more at the outset. It wasn't in this country and I wasn't daft enough to film it .............
I once seized an RD350LC at erm 7000 RPM , and left skid marks on the road
What about the other skid marks ?
None. I had to push the bloody thing home on the hottest day of that summer about 4 miles.


Pit Pony

8,817 posts

123 months

Sunday 24th May 2020
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Heaveho said:
Blimey, that brings back memories, I had several of them, probably my best times on bikes really, especially the YPVS ones.
Due to the size of the grooves it ended up 375 cc.
And I had to have new conrods.
Ran it in by taking it to the isle of Skye.

anonymous-user

56 months

Sunday 24th May 2020
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Whatever happened to “keep it for the track “ etc ?

I suppose so many people are that good at driving there is no need eh?

Imagine the length of the threadS when speed limiters are introduced .-)

4rephill

5,044 posts

180 months

Sunday 24th May 2020
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irocfan said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
all new cars from 2022 are going to be limited by gps to the posted limit
There'll be ways to circumvent
And if you get caught speeding, you will be charged not only with exceeding the posted speed limit, but also with driving an illegally modified vehicle, which I suspect will be punished with a suitably high fine, to help discourage people from carrying out such modifications.

(Whilst there is no legislation in place at the moment, you can be sure it will be brought in)

It wouldn't be too hard to spot illegally modified/"faulty" cars either, the criteria would be:

A) Is the vehicle a 2022 onwards model that should be fitted with a GPS speed limiter?
B) Was the vehicle found to be exceeding the posted speed limit?

If the answer to both A and B is: "yes" - Then the vehicle is non-compliant with the Law.

I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't end up with an Australian style system, whereby an illegally modified/"faulty" vehicle will be issued with an "on the spot" non-compliance order and sticker on the windscreen, that cannot be removed, and the vehicle cannot be used on the road from that point onwards, until the modifications have been removed/the fault has been fixed by a Government authorised garage, and a certificate of compliance is issued.

(This would not only be for modified speed limiters, but for all manner of illegal modifications and faults, such as excessively loud exhausts, illegally tinted windows, missing front number plate, excessive smoke, and anything else that does not comply with the Law)

Failure to comply with the non-compliance order would come with a big fine - Helping to recoup some of the lost speeding fines.

Continued failure to comply with the non-compliance order would result in the vehicle being seized, and an even bigger fine being applied, before the vehicle can be released.


The good news is, the value of fast cars made before 2022 should sky-rocket, and, in general, overtaking post 2022 vehicles in a pre-2022 car should be a lot easier, if you're prepared to exceed the speed limit to do so. cool

Kawasicki

13,124 posts

237 months

Sunday 24th May 2020
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You do know that can can bypass the limiter by simply pressing the accelerator pedal a little harder... or maybe by just going to a menu and deactivating it.

Redline88

405 posts

108 months

Sunday 24th May 2020
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Kawasicki said:
You do know that can can bypass the limiter by simply pressing the accelerator pedal a little harder... or maybe by just going to a menu and deactivating it.
Exactly this. On a related note, for the systems that read the actual signs with a camera, how would they work with foreign cars. I.e. if somebody from the continent travels over to the UK, would it be trying to limit their MPH speed as it registered the signs as KPH?

Nigel_O

2,924 posts

221 months

Sunday 24th May 2020
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Redline88 said:
Kawasicki said:
You do know that can can bypass the limiter by simply pressing the accelerator pedal a little harder... or maybe by just going to a menu and deactivating it.
Exactly this. On a related note, for the systems that read the actual signs with a camera, how would they work with foreign cars. I.e. if somebody from the continent travels over to the UK, would it be trying to limit their MPH speed as it registered the signs as KPH?
Unlikely - if the car is smart enough to be able to read signs, it's probably going to smart enough to know which country it's in and adjust accordingly

Shame though, as if true, it would presumably work the other way, so we'd all be cruising at 130 on the way to LeMans....