Discrimination during maternity leave
Discussion
Breadvan72 said:
Yes, that Picasso in the downstairs bogs is just tacky, and Bulgari taps are soooooo last month.
Mirrors on the ceiling above both the bed and the bath in the master cabin. On a serious note though, the superyacht element of my work is amongst the most interesting - some of them are just beautiful, some are just tacky and one or two are just technically incredible. The litigation if there is any (and there isn't very often lamentably) takes place in the Cayman Islands too. You should consider jacking this employment lark in - afterall, any fool with an internet connection can do that these days.
You've ruined my view of the Caymans now - I can't work outside of E&W so never get to go anywhere. Isn't the diving at least decent?
I rarely have to deal with any brokers mercifully - just the two or three law firms that mostly handle things, and so it's usually pretty clean when I arrive on the scene. I just like looking at the boats to be frank. Worked on a big 'un the other day that was based on the hull of a destroyer. Propah toy for a very wealthy boy.
If you want crooks, try the commercial shipping stuff, particularly at the lower/scrap end of the market. I close my eyes when I sign on some of those.
I rarely have to deal with any brokers mercifully - just the two or three law firms that mostly handle things, and so it's usually pretty clean when I arrive on the scene. I just like looking at the boats to be frank. Worked on a big 'un the other day that was based on the hull of a destroyer. Propah toy for a very wealthy boy.
If you want crooks, try the commercial shipping stuff, particularly at the lower/scrap end of the market. I close my eyes when I sign on some of those.
PurpleMoonlight said:
Selfish bint.
Takes 18 months off within 24 for her lifestyle choice and wants part time employment to boot.
No wonder employers get pissed off.
Yeah, those poor multinationals eh? However will they afford it? Don't tell me, you also hate banks, liberals, and the French?Takes 18 months off within 24 for her lifestyle choice and wants part time employment to boot.
No wonder employers get pissed off.
In fact, your name isn't Bernard Manning is it?
Breadvan72 said:
Monday, Monday, can't trust that day
Monday, Monday, it just turns out that way
Oh, Monday, Monday, won't go away
Monday, Monday, it's here to stay...
I feel miffed that I have failed the SJW exam as I don't know who the fash bloggers or commentators are right now. I had assumed that Purple Moonlight was the leading opinion former de nos jours, so well informed is he, and so balanced in all his views, but was I mistaken?
Denning LJ = Purplemoonlight Monday, Monday, it just turns out that way
Oh, Monday, Monday, won't go away
Monday, Monday, it's here to stay...
I feel miffed that I have failed the SJW exam as I don't know who the fash bloggers or commentators are right now. I had assumed that Purple Moonlight was the leading opinion former de nos jours, so well informed is he, and so balanced in all his views, but was I mistaken?
Rainy days and Mondays always get me down
IanA2 said:
Breadvan72 said:
It strikes me from time to time that one good reason for not being the sort of right-leaning miserablist that apparently forms the majority on PH (but not, I fancy, in the real world) is that you have to be so angry about everything all of the time. Angry about women having employment rights, angry about parking spaces at supermarkets, angry about speed limits, angry about tax, angry about foreigners, angry about scary science that you pretend doesn't exist so you can buy a 19 litre V8, angry about silly ideas such as democracy and the rule of law, and so on. It must be so gloomy having to be fed up and pessimistic all the time. Whyohwhyohwhyohwhyohwhy, etc.
Being a flaky small l liberal, I accept that much in the world is a bit crap, but I think that lots of it can be made better, slowly, if we can be arsed to try, and, although imperfect, things aren't all that bad compared to how they were in the so called good old days (which never existed anyway). Problems can be solved by effort, but whingeing doesn't get much solving done.
Yup:Being a flaky small l liberal, I accept that much in the world is a bit crap, but I think that lots of it can be made better, slowly, if we can be arsed to try, and, although imperfect, things aren't all that bad compared to how they were in the so called good old days (which never existed anyway). Problems can be solved by effort, but whingeing doesn't get much solving done.
Edited by Breadvan72 on Monday 27th July 14:40
a lot of it about ......
CharlesdeGaulle said:
My root crops have generally been pretty disappointing this year. What are all the high falutin' lawyers and Guardianistas going to do about that? Eh? Eh? These are the real issues.
I am one of the high falutin' lawyers - I sent the spuds a letter before action, but they haven't responded. I fear a claim in court against them would by a pyrrhic victory, though, so I'm considering arbitration.(seriously it must be the dry weather, but also some sort of a disease, and it's got my Maris Pipers by the balls - the new potatoes seem to be holding up thus far).
ETA: NHS you say, Ian? My missus may well be headed that way in the future as a manager. That'll really annoy PH - We need nurses not Brussels appointed paper-pushers! English nurses! etc.
Edited by Actus Reus on Monday 27th July 16:39
Soooo...
A small update on this one - my other half has been back to work today, and had a short meeting with her manager. The role was indeed advertised internally and externally and because of an 'oversight' my wife wasn't told. The company admitted that she should have been told and have apologised for not doing so. They hope she will go back to work and apply for any future promotions when they come up.
I've not had more than 30 seconds to discuss this with SWMBO, but I think we'll press them to settle a discrimination claim out of court (reading, a little, between the lines, they know full well that they've dropped a b
k, and so I can't see them fighting it) and then she'll start looking for work elsewhere.
EFA
A small update on this one - my other half has been back to work today, and had a short meeting with her manager. The role was indeed advertised internally and externally and because of an 'oversight' my wife wasn't told. The company admitted that she should have been told and have apologised for not doing so. They hope she will go back to work and apply for any future promotions when they come up.
I've not had more than 30 seconds to discuss this with SWMBO, but I think we'll press them to settle a discrimination claim out of court (reading, a little, between the lines, they know full well that they've dropped a b
k, and so I can't see them fighting it) and then she'll start looking for work elsewhere.EFA
Edited by Actus Reus on Thursday 13th August 16:48
Richie Slow said:
Sorry for being a bit thick but if it was advertised externally then it follows that she had the same chance of seeing that advert as the ordinary person in the street. Or should she have received some 'special' notification not available to everybody else.
Just asking....
Well yes, but the crucial bit was 'internally' really.Just asking....
No idea as to a figure - not huge money I don't think. BV can probably comment with more insight on that.
Vaud said:
The company should, as I understand it, have made specific efforts with regards to notifying her about this job during her maternity.
IANAL. BV72IAL. AHTABV72.
Correct - read the preceding 50 odd pages and BV states that several times - it's a bit tricky to find in amongst all the posts accusing my wife and I of being money-grabbing IANAL. BV72IAL. AHTABV72.
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Breadvan72 said:
Is Mrs OP determined to move? The company made a mistake - it didn't do the deed on purpose, as far as I know. You may have told us earlier that there are other reasons for moving, but I can't recall that far back.
In a word, yes. She's lost all faith in the company now, and so no matter what I think she'll throw in the towel. We're thinking of another sprog too, so it might be that we advance our plans slightly. Much to be discussed, but I don't see her going back - tbf I'm not sorry either. They worked her bloody hard during her pregnancy, and I'd not want to see her under that level of pressure during another pregnancy. We'll see though.RobinOakapple said:
I'm not of that mind myself, of course, but as you say yourself they have apologised, so wanting money on top of that does seem a little bit mercenary (not that I think that for a moment).
Hmmm - I'm of the view that they've apologised only in the hope that she'll not sue. She's lost an opportunity here and potentially quite a bit of money - I don't think asking them to make some of that up is mercenary, but then I would say that.Breadvan72 said:
I am generally not in favour of people suing people, and spend a lot of time trying to persuade clients not to sue, but just occasionally it's the right thing to do. A careless employer, or a deliberately naughty employer, may benefit from a reminder that there are some rules that govern how it should behave.
I run a mile from litigation and disputes in my own life, and tend to take things on the chin when I could have a beef if I could be bothered with the hassle. I did once get involved in a bust up when my now ex wife was sacked by a law school where she taught because she asserted her maternity rights. The silly and very poorly advised law school did get taken to the cleaners over that, thanks to the availability of some legal expenses insurance. Vin Diesel's line as Riddick in "Pitch Black": "Did not know. Who they were fking with."
AR, maybe seek a modest negotiated settlement and then move on, which is pretty much what you seem to intend anyway, if I read your posts correctly.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm thinking.I run a mile from litigation and disputes in my own life, and tend to take things on the chin when I could have a beef if I could be bothered with the hassle. I did once get involved in a bust up when my now ex wife was sacked by a law school where she taught because she asserted her maternity rights. The silly and very poorly advised law school did get taken to the cleaners over that, thanks to the availability of some legal expenses insurance. Vin Diesel's line as Riddick in "Pitch Black": "Did not know. Who they were f
king with."AR, maybe seek a modest negotiated settlement and then move on, which is pretty much what you seem to intend anyway, if I read your posts correctly.
Edited by Breadvan72 on Thursday 13th August 17:24
I too prefer to avoid confrontation of all kinds really - it's hassle, stressful, and needlessly expensive. I deal with divorced or divorcing couples relatively often, for example, and it's always a hateful process when lawyers are involved (indeed I received an anonymous email trying to accuse a client of fraud just yesterday, which I think was sent by a jilted ex of my client).
But as I've said before, these employers can 1. afford it and 2. they've done it before, specifically this manager has. If this were a small firm and I felt it risked putting them out of business I'd probably suggest we leave it. That's not the case, however, and I think a relatively amicable settlement can be reached and we can draw a line under it and, hopefully, this guy may learn to treat the people he manages a little better. We shall see.
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