Why are Police now enforcing laws & advising cyclists?
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I am sorry to hear about your mum but why cannot she use a wheelchair or mobility scooter. Does she work full time. If not then she has plenty of time to travel slowly ie by some other means. I think I have covered goods vehicles. Tradesmen could be incorporated too.
I feel that cutting private vehilces would have a greater benefit for a greater proportion of people.
Do you cycle in London. If not why not.
Pip
I feel that cutting private vehilces would have a greater benefit for a greater proportion of people.
Do you cycle in London. If not why not.
Pip
Pip1968 said:
I am sorry to hear about your mum but why cannot she use a wheelchair or mobility scooter. Does she work full time. If not then she has plenty of time to travel slowly ie by some other means. I think I have covered goods vehicles. Tradesmen could be incorporated too.
You are not sorry, you have an ideology and you aren't going to let problems like inconvenient old people who can't walk properly get in the way of it. You appear to believe you are qualified to not only dictate what mode of transport people use but also qualified to dictate and arbitrate the value of other people's time, which not surprisingly is less valuable than your own.
For wheelchair use to travel across London, I'd suggest you look at the tube map on the TfL website that shows wheelchair accessible stations - there are not many. I suggest you take a bus in London and observe how often it would in practice be possible to fit a wheelchair inside.
Edited by creampuff on Saturday 30th November 11:56
I think one of the main issues is unless you nip a problem in the bud it becomes the norm.
I'm a bus driver, my route serves a very very busy train station, as do about 10 other bus routes.
The stop outside the station is about 100 yards long, so sometimes there can be 3/4 buses at the stop.
There is a crossing right outside the station, and yet everyday people get off the bus and walk between parked buses into the road, normally without looking.
I see 'near misses' every single day.
In an ideal world I would have police on scene issuing fpn's for jaywalking.
When a pedestrian does get hit, it causes loads of problems for everybody, driver, pedestrian, other road users etc etc, all because someone cannot be bothered to use the crossing correctly.
I'm a bus driver, my route serves a very very busy train station, as do about 10 other bus routes.
The stop outside the station is about 100 yards long, so sometimes there can be 3/4 buses at the stop.
There is a crossing right outside the station, and yet everyday people get off the bus and walk between parked buses into the road, normally without looking.
I see 'near misses' every single day.
In an ideal world I would have police on scene issuing fpn's for jaywalking.
When a pedestrian does get hit, it causes loads of problems for everybody, driver, pedestrian, other road users etc etc, all because someone cannot be bothered to use the crossing correctly.
creampuff said:
... I suggest you take a bus in London and observe how often it would in practice be possible to fit a wheelchair inside.
All TfL regular service buses take wheelchairs. The "Red book" issued to drivers sets out the 'rules'. In general, wheelchair users should be given priority over standing passengers, buggies, etc. Sadly, it doesn't always happen thorough. More sadly, more able-bodied passengers can get abusive when delayed by the process of boarding a wheelchair user.Streaky
streaky said:
creampuff said:
... I suggest you take a bus in London and observe how often it would in practice be possible to fit a wheelchair inside.
All TfL regular service buses take wheelchairs. The "Red book" issued to drivers sets out the 'rules'. In general, wheelchair users should be given priority over standing passengers, buggies, etc. Sadly, it doesn't always happen thorough. More sadly, more able-bodied passengers can get abusive when delayed by the process of boarding a wheelchair user.Streaky
streaky said:
All TfL regular service buses take wheelchairs. The "Red book" issued to drivers sets out the 'rules'. In general, wheelchair users should be given priority over standing passengers, buggies, etc. Sadly, it doesn't always happen thorough. More sadly, more able-bodied passengers can get abusive when delayed by the process of boarding a wheelchair user.
Streaky
ALL TFL busses are wheelchair accessible.Streaky
However, try getting people to fold buggies to allow a wheelchair on.
rambo19 said:
This is interesting.;
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/cyclists-fil...
As is this:http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/cyclists-fil...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/road-safety-l...
Daily Mirror said:
Police fine more than 2,100 drivers and cyclists in London road safety crackdown
By Piers Eady
Police have fined more than 2,100 drivers and cyclists in the first three days of a major campaign to make London’s roads safer.
Nearly 1,400 car and lorry drivers were slapped with penalties for offences including talking on the phone while driving and jumping red lights.
And 755 cyclists were also fined for going through red lights, riding on pavements and cycling with the wrong lights - or even no lights.
Another 28 people were arrested for a range of crimes including assault, bike theft and drugs and immigration offences.
Operation Safeway was launched by the Met on Monday after six cyclists died on the capital’s roads in just a fortnight earlier this month.
The operation, which started on Monday, will see 2,500 officers monitoring 166 junctions and will run until Christmas.
In THREE DAYS, 2100 offences were detected that WOULD NOT and many that COULD NOT have been detected by speed cameras.By Piers Eady
Police have fined more than 2,100 drivers and cyclists in the first three days of a major campaign to make London’s roads safer.
Nearly 1,400 car and lorry drivers were slapped with penalties for offences including talking on the phone while driving and jumping red lights.
And 755 cyclists were also fined for going through red lights, riding on pavements and cycling with the wrong lights - or even no lights.
Another 28 people were arrested for a range of crimes including assault, bike theft and drugs and immigration offences.
Operation Safeway was launched by the Met on Monday after six cyclists died on the capital’s roads in just a fortnight earlier this month.
The operation, which started on Monday, will see 2,500 officers monitoring 166 junctions and will run until Christmas.
This campaign highlights why so much has gone wrong with the policing of our roads, by the drive to persecute speed and not address the other causes of accidents.
andy_s said:
Are cyclist deaths more common in winter hours I wonder, perhaps why there is a spike of sorts.
Whilst it may be a factor - it may also be simply the nature of random events. Randomness is inherently 'lumpy'. There doesn't have to be any underlying cause to trigger a spike (or a dip - like in 2004) in a random dataset - sometimes it just happens.Taking the data from the OPs image - the number of deaths in the period 1993 - 2013 is ~15 with a standard deviation of ~3.8. This year is well within the normal range (i.e. well within 1 standard deviation of the mean). For 96% of years - we should reasonably expect (from a statistical viewpoint) the figure to lie anywhere between 8 and 23 deaths.
Mill Wheel said:
In THREE DAYS, 2100 offences were detected that WOULD NOT and many that COULD NOT have been detected by speed cameras.
This campaign highlights why so much has gone wrong with the policing of our roads, by the drive to persecute speed and not address the other causes of accidents.
+1This campaign highlights why so much has gone wrong with the policing of our roads, by the drive to persecute speed and not address the other causes of accidents.
Plus let's see some police stopping and fining the t
ts that drive with defective headlights. Easy to detect and more dangerous than a few miles over the speed limit imo.Mill Wheel said:
In THREE DAYS, 2100 offences were detected that WOULD NOT and many that COULD NOT have been detected by speed cameras.
This campaign highlights why so much has gone wrong with the policing of our roads, by the drive to persecute speed and not address the other causes of accidents.
Agree 100%This campaign highlights why so much has gone wrong with the policing of our roads, by the drive to persecute speed and not address the other causes of accidents.
What would be interesting is to see if other crimes went up whilst this crackdown was enforced, robbery/burglry/assults etc etc. If they did'nt, it shows that it can be done all the time.
Simple traffic stops can, and do lead to so much more.
When you think about it, I would imagine most people were on thier best behaviour when they saw all the police at the junctions, and yet loads still got caught.
[quote=Who me ?]Simple solution to the irate passengers- GET OFF ASS AND LEND A HAND TO THE WHEELCHAIR USER. ONE OF THESE DAYS YOU MIGHT BE IN THEIR POSITION. Think of it as "as once you were, so now I be". And hope someone will step forward to help you in infirmity.
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Sadly, if the wheelchair area is already occupied by buggys, the driver cannot make them the mums fold them.
It is the biggest single cause of rows on my bus.
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Sadly, if the wheelchair area is already occupied by buggys, the driver cannot make them the mums fold them.
It is the biggest single cause of rows on my bus.
rambo19 said:
Mill Wheel said:
In THREE DAYS, 2100 offences were detected that WOULD NOT and many that COULD NOT have been detected by speed cameras.
This campaign highlights why so much has gone wrong with the policing of our roads, by the drive to persecute speed and not address the other causes of accidents.
Agree 100%This campaign highlights why so much has gone wrong with the policing of our roads, by the drive to persecute speed and not address the other causes of accidents.
What would be interesting is to see if other crimes went up whilst this crackdown was enforced, robbery/burglry/assults etc etc. If they did'nt, it shows that it can be done all the time.
Simple traffic stops can, and do lead to so much more.
When you think about it, I would imagine most people were on thier best behaviour when they saw all the police at the junctions, and yet loads still got caught.
Daily Mirror said:
Another 28 people were arrested for a range of crimes including assault, bike theft and drugs and immigration offences.
So other offences ARE still being tackled. Win Win all round.Lets hope Boris has noticed this - he seemed to have been on the ball when he revealed one fatality involved a cyclist going the wrong way up a one way street - although he got into trouble for revealing that... WHY?
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