Man being chased by police - should you help?
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Of course it becomes a non-event when one is trying to win an argument or justify police indifference and laziness.
In another thread one such 'officer' wrote this and was supported by another of the usual suspects.
In another thread one such 'officer' wrote this and was supported by another of the usual suspects.
Red 4 said:
An assault occurs if your actions cause someone to fear the immediate use of unlawful violence against them.
My video clearly shows an assault as explained by this officer. That chap was lucky though cause I play by the rules of the UK. Where I am from, the person in the car (me) either gets shot or the person on foot (mad man) gets run over. Its that simple. 
Eclassy said:
Of course it becomes a non-event when one is trying to win an argument or justify police indifference and laziness.
In another thread one such 'officer' wrote this and was supported by another of the usual suspects.
Someone tapping on your car window does not make it an assault - no matter how skewed your understanding of law is.In another thread one such 'officer' wrote this and was supported by another of the usual suspects.
Red 4 said:
An assault occurs if your actions cause someone to fear the immediate use of unlawful violence against them.
My video clearly shows an assault as explained by this officer. That chap was lucky though cause I play by the rules of the UK. Where I am from, the person in the car (me) either gets shot or the person on foot (mad man) gets run over. Its that simple. There was no recklessness or intent from what I saw on that video. There was no assault.
Unfortunately, no matter how this is explained to you I suspect you will not take no for an answer and it will all be the fault of the lazy, corrupt cops for taking no action.
Edited by Red 4 on Wednesday 10th September 15:02
Eclassy said:
My video clearly shows an assault as explained by this officer. That chap was lucky though cause I play by the rules of the UK. Where I am from, the person in the car (me) either gets shot or the person on foot (mad man) gets run over. Its that simple.
It's not that simple and no your video did not show any signs of assault.How did your complaint turn out by the way?
Red 4 said:
Someone tapping on your car window does not make it an assault - no matter how skewed your understanding of law is.
There was no recklessness or intent from what I saw on that video. There was no assault.
LoLThere was no recklessness or intent from what I saw on that video. There was no assault.
I think you are being dishonest to win an argument.
Someone chases after you in a car, jumps a red light, dangerously overtakes you, crosses and blocks you off on busy road forcing you and others to come to complete stop, jumps out of his car, menacingly marches towards you and bangs on your window......Yep no recklesness or intent.
In RUSSIA, if that happens, you are either about to get robbed or merked!
Eclassy said:
LoL
I think you are being dishonest to win an argument.
Someone chases after you in a car, jumps a red light, dangerously overtakes you, crosses and blocks you off on busy road forcing you and others to come to complete stop, jumps out of his car, menacingly marches towards you and bangs on your window......Yep no recklesness or intent.
In RUSSIA, if that happens, you are either about to get robbed or merked!
Tell you what then Mr Know-It-AllI think you are being dishonest to win an argument.
Someone chases after you in a car, jumps a red light, dangerously overtakes you, crosses and blocks you off on busy road forcing you and others to come to complete stop, jumps out of his car, menacingly marches towards you and bangs on your window......Yep no recklesness or intent.
In RUSSIA, if that happens, you are either about to get robbed or merked!
You tell me exactly what offences he has committed - (leave his driving out of it)
Act and Section please ...
Came into work this morning and one of the guys had an incident last night.
Dropping a parcel off and a young scrote nicked a couple of bottles of wine, he gave chase and once down the street the lad dropped the wine and pulled a knife on him. After saying "what you going to do with that?" to the lad and getting a reply of "cut your throat" a couple more turned up and picked the wine bottles up and then facing more than a fair fight he walked away.
Nice safe place Yeovil.
Dropping a parcel off and a young scrote nicked a couple of bottles of wine, he gave chase and once down the street the lad dropped the wine and pulled a knife on him. After saying "what you going to do with that?" to the lad and getting a reply of "cut your throat" a couple more turned up and picked the wine bottles up and then facing more than a fair fight he walked away.
Nice safe place Yeovil.
Eclassy said:
Of course it becomes a non-event when one is trying to win an argument or justify police indifference and laziness.
No, it's a non-event where no crime were committed. Until you actually consider that may be the case you'll be on the wrong side. You also need to consider how easy any legal rep would get him out of any semblance of an offence.People are actually allowed to interact with one another in not nice ways without it being criminal, amazingly. Eclassy said:
My video clearly shows an assault as explained by this officer. That chap was lucky though cause I play by the rules of the UK. Where I am from, the person in the car (me) either gets shot or the person on foot (mad man) gets run over. Its that simple.
I could walk down the street and a 100 year old frail lady could walk past me and make eye contact. I could, because I'm a chocolate fire-guard, fear unlawful immediate violence. Therefore the elderly lady has assaulted me. No? Why not, it's the same logic as your event, just to a greater degree. There are objective thresholds, not what the lowest-common denominator interprets it to be. I'd also argue there's not much immediacy when you're sat in a car...
Eclassy said:
Greendubber said:
How did your complaint turn out by the way?
IPCC upheld. Back to police to do a proper investigation....Eclassy said:
Red 4 said:
Someone tapping on your car window does not make it an assault - no matter how skewed your understanding of law is.
There was no recklessness or intent from what I saw on that video. There was no assault.
LoLThere was no recklessness or intent from what I saw on that video. There was no assault.
I think you are being dishonest to win an argument.
Someone chases after you in a car, jumps a red light, dangerously overtakes you, crosses and blocks you off on busy road forcing you and others to come to complete stop, jumps out of his car, menacingly marches towards you and bangs on your window......Yep no recklesness or intent.
In RUSSIA, if that happens, you are either about to get robbed or merked!
Had he raised a fist, been holding a knife, or even been shouting and screaming I'd be with you.....but he really isnt.
compare it to, say, this guy.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ao0v-vPHvs
Nightmare said:
thing is...your video only shows the very last bit of that.....and to the average Joe, like me, he really didn't look very aggressive compared to people all of us have come across in cars at some point.
Had he raised a fist, been holding a knife, or even been shouting and screaming I'd be with you.....but he really isnt.
compare it to, say, this guy.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ao0v-vPHvs
Yikes!Had he raised a fist, been holding a knife, or even been shouting and screaming I'd be with you.....but he really isnt.
compare it to, say, this guy.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ao0v-vPHvs
Only got a 6 month ban and 2yrs probation for that.
Red 4 said:
Someone tapping on your car window does not make it an assault - no matter how skewed your understanding of law is.
There was no recklessness or intent from what I saw on that video. There was no assault.
Unfortunately, no matter how this is explained to you I suspect you will not take no for an answer and it will all be the fault of the lazy, corrupt cops for taking no action.
Have we got a link to said video?There was no recklessness or intent from what I saw on that video. There was no assault.
Unfortunately, no matter how this is explained to you I suspect you will not take no for an answer and it will all be the fault of the lazy, corrupt cops for taking no action.
Edited by Red 4 on Wednesday 10th September 15:02
KFC said:
I'm sure I'm not alone when I say.....terrifying........music.Op, if your grip is not great, you can always try this, a bit extreme, but very effective!!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhuim7rBOAs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhuim7rBOAs
Elroy Blue said:
IPCC upheld? 
What you mean is the IPCC sent it back to the Force to deal with locally. They do that when it's a 'stop wasting my time with this' type incident. So do tell, what was the resolution?
That's standard procedure. On the last Today in Parliament before the recess when Theresa May was on about sorting out the police with Misconduct hearings being heard in public and not behind closed doors, I think it was Mike Penning MP that said the public found it difficult to have confidence in complaints against the police when the IPCC passed back complaints to the force that was being complained about.What you mean is the IPCC sent it back to the Force to deal with locally. They do that when it's a 'stop wasting my time with this' type incident. So do tell, what was the resolution?
Regarding my little police beef, I called the 101 number asking for the name of the PSD officer that dealt with my complaint so I could Email them directly. The called handler mentioned 'Data Protection'. What did they think I was going to do if I had their full name? Find out where they lived and kidnap their kids or something?
Edited by carinaman on Wednesday 10th September 21:29
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