Man being chased by police - should you help?
Discussion
carinaman said:
That's standard procedure. On the last Today in Parliament before the recess when Theresa May was on about sorting out the police with Misconduct hearings being heard in public and not behind closed doors, I think it was Mike Penning MP that said the public found it difficult to have confidence in complaints against the police when the IPCC passed back complaints to the force that was being complained about.
Regarding my little police beef, I called the 101 number asking for the name of the PSD officer that dealt with my complaint so I could Email them directly. The called handler mentioned 'Data Protection'. What did they think I was going to do if I had their full name? Find out where they lived and kidnap their kids or something?
Maybe you came across as nutty on the phone as you do on here? I wouldn't want you hassling me eitherRegarding my little police beef, I called the 101 number asking for the name of the PSD officer that dealt with my complaint so I could Email them directly. The called handler mentioned 'Data Protection'. What did they think I was going to do if I had their full name? Find out where they lived and kidnap their kids or something?
Edited by carinaman on Wednesday 10th September 21:29
I would like to think I would help out, but guess that fight or flight would kick in and either I would stand there like a lemon or help out. As soon as I am in that situation I will report back as to how I responded.
Apart from a couple of incidents as a teenager where I received a rollicking from cops (much deserved in hindsight) I have only had good experiences with them, and they seemed very grateful when my Japanese akita caught a prolific burglar by the throat.
Recently I have started a project with a large police force and have been given an insight into the profession that most public don't get to see which has increased my respect for them no end.
Apart from a couple of incidents as a teenager where I received a rollicking from cops (much deserved in hindsight) I have only had good experiences with them, and they seemed very grateful when my Japanese akita caught a prolific burglar by the throat.
Recently I have started a project with a large police force and have been given an insight into the profession that most public don't get to see which has increased my respect for them no end.
23rdian said:
Not really. Why should I? Up to the copper if he wants to chase. I didn't sign up for it.
Im my view this is a pathetic attitude, one that is all too common nowadays, typically I imagine that if you had been assaulted and left injured you would want every man and his dog to help out the Copper chasing down your assailant.wessexrfc said:
Op, if your grip is not great, you can always try this, a bit extreme, but very effective!!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhuim7rBOAs
As funny as that clip is, it was for a hidden camera show, and that is an actor getting his head kicked in. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhuim7rBOAs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcVXYn8HDOg
If you don't help and the culprit gets away and later murders your uncle, do you have to become a crime fighting super hero ?
A lot of people are so much in their own world that by they time they unplugged their earphones or looked up from their phone, and go 'eeyyyy, errhh, what's going on' it would be too late anyway and the chase would be 100m down the road
A lot of people are so much in their own world that by they time they unplugged their earphones or looked up from their phone, and go 'eeyyyy, errhh, what's going on' it would be too late anyway and the chase would be 100m down the road
carinaman said:
That's standard procedure. On the last Today in Parliament before the recess when Theresa May was on about sorting out the police with Misconduct hearings being heard in public and not behind closed doors, I think it was Mike Penning MP that said the public found it difficult to have confidence in complaints against the police when the IPCC passed back complaints to the force that was being complained about.
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The public have become used to Professions with power over others beign subject to external discipline. <snip>
This is also where all the collegle of policing , external qualifications anda professional registration bdy is going ...
If you have a complaint about a Nurse, Doctor, Paramedic, Solicitor etc as well as complaining to their employer you could also complain to the NMC/ GMC / HCPC / SRA as appropriate , andeven if the employer NFAs or delivers an outcome which you think is unduly leninent you still have the professional regulator to go to.
Can a police Officer be permanently deprived on being able to hold the office of constable again or have to go througha replay of their diciplinary offence, and prove how in the at least 5 years since they were dismissed they have made amends ... ?
mark.c said:
Im my view this is a pathetic attitude, one that is all too common nowadays, typically I imagine that if you had been assaulted and left injured you would want every man and his dog to help out the Copper chasing down your assailant.
No, I'd want the police to do what they are paid to do.Also how do I know the copper I'm helping isn't a thug himself like the guy who attacked Ian Tomlinson for example?
Edited by 23rdian on Thursday 11th September 15:10
23rdian said:
Also how do I know the copper I'm helping isn't a thug himself like the guy who attacked Ian Tomlinson for example?
You don't, but it's highly improbable compared to the reverse scenario. I asked this earlier to someone else; would you give a statement or attend court, or just the brave stuff you'd avoid? The same underlying principles are for both.
23rdian said:
No, I'd want the police to do what they are paid to do.
How about this. Your elderly mother is mugged and the offender makes off. PC in pursuit, but baddie is faster. Man down the road in perfect position to help PC and stop the bad man but doesn't. Unfortunately he gets away and is never caught.Edited by 23rdian on Thursday 11th September 15:10
You'd be fine with that bloke, and not wish he'd stepped in?
23rdian said:
mark.c said:
Im my view this is a pathetic attitude, one that is all too common nowadays, typically I imagine that if you had been assaulted and left injured you would want every man and his dog to help out the Copper chasing down your assailant.
No, I'd want the police to do what they are paid to do.Also how do I know the copper I'm helping isn't a thug himself like the guy who attacked Ian Tomlinson for example?
Edited by 23rdian on Thursday 11th September 15:10
mark.c said:
23rdian said:
mark.c said:
Im my view this is a pathetic attitude, one that is all too common nowadays, typically I imagine that if you had been assaulted and left injured you would want every man and his dog to help out the Copper chasing down your assailant.
No, I'd want the police to do what they are paid to do.Also how do I know the copper I'm helping isn't a thug himself like the guy who attacked Ian Tomlinson for example?
Edited by 23rdian on Thursday 11th September 15:10
I feel your pain, the amount of times I've started to explain something that I thought was simple and obvious to someone on here, to then click "back" and think, this is not worth my time nor effort.StuntmanMike said:
Jesus, there are some real pieces of work on here,I wonder if the don't get involved mob are the same as the let's film it and post it on YouTube lot, pretty embarrassing to be honest, but not surprising.
More than likely the type that are going to moan when a single officer has to be fairly robust when restraining a fighting person. Film it, upload it and post it on a forum and start quimming about the big nasty heavy handed officer that should have tickled the subject into submission rah rah rant rant.La Liga said:
f it were hands-on I'd be quite keen to help maximise the officer's chances of weapon retention by assisting. If the criminal were to get the weapon that would present a risk to me, even if I were not involved.
Yes you'd be in risk if the criminal managed to steal the policeman's gun.... but you're in far more risk by trying to get involved. The 'least risky' option is getting the hell out of the way when you realise something is happening.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff