Caught speeding - 125mph on A2 Kent!!!! Hellllp

[kiethton]

To save starting something new thread what am I looking at:

109mph on the M25 this afternoon (dry, good weather) although was also given a S59, likely as I'm youngish...

[agtlaw]

Assuming you accept the speed alleged and you're not liable for a penalty points disqualification - most likely a short ban. There is no minimum or maximum but 7-56 days is the guideline for 101-110 in a 70 mph limit. Otherwise 6 points. Income based fine to a maximum of £2500.

[kiethton]

agtlaw said:

Assuming you accept the speed alleged and you're not liable for a penalty points disqualification - most likely a short ban. There is no minimum or maximum but 7-56 days is the guideline for 101-110 in a 70 mph limit. Otherwise 6 points. Income based fine to a maximum of £2500.

Thanks but annoying really as no bunnies were harmed etc, just pointless beauracracy

Had my license for over 9 years, currently clean so should be in for the best, don't mind points but any ban would have to be short 1 week max so I can go on holiday, I commute on motorbike (unless it's just a car ban) so anything more than my holiday allowance = problems

How are the fines calculated? Is it worth getting more payments moved from the GF to me to lower the disposable income number to minimise this?

[LunarOne]

kiethton said:

agtlaw said:

Assuming you accept the speed alleged and you're not liable for a penalty points disqualification - most likely a short ban. There is no minimum or maximum but 7-56 days is the guideline for 101-110 in a 70 mph limit. Otherwise 6 points. Income based fine to a maximum of £2500.

Thanks but annoying really as no bunnies were harmed etc, just pointless beauracracy

Had my license for over 9 years, currently clean so should be in for the best, don't mind points but any ban would have to be short 1 week max so I can go on holiday, I commute on motorbike (unless it's just a car ban) so anything more than my holiday allowance = problems

How are the fines calculated? Is it worth getting more payments moved from the GF to me to lower the disposable income number to minimise this?

A ban would be for anything you can drive with your driving licence, so would include cars, minibuses, motorcycles etc.

[kiethton]

LunarOne said:

kiethton said:

agtlaw said:

Assuming you accept the speed alleged and you're not liable for a penalty points disqualification - most likely a short ban. There is no minimum or maximum but 7-56 days is the guideline for 101-110 in a 70 mph limit. Otherwise 6 points. Income based fine to a maximum of £2500.

Thanks but annoying really as no bunnies were harmed etc, just pointless beauracracy

Had my license for over 9 years, currently clean so should be in for the best, don't mind points but any ban would have to be short 1 week max so I can go on holiday, I commute on motorbike (unless it's just a car ban) so anything more than my holiday allowance = problems

How are the fines calculated? Is it worth getting more payments moved from the GF to me to lower the disposable income number to minimise this?

A ban would be for anything you can drive with your driving licence, so would include cars, minibuses, motorcycles etc.

Nightmare, can only get a week tops then else I can't work...lets hope for some points, or even better for them to loose/mess up the paperwork for an out

[johnwilliams77]

Wow.
10 years ago I got a £600 fine and 6points for doing 102mph on a 70mph limit area. Base salary was £26,000.

[kiethton]

Not ideal, my base is nearly double that but living costs are high...could only afford a token amount really unless they give a £1 a month payment plan they seem to give the scummers

[MrOrange]

It seems to be down to the magistrates on the day. I caught a train home last year with a 4 month ban and about £1k in fine/costs when pleading guilty to 113 on a single carriageway.

My brief (another £800) thought it was a little on the high side but not really worth appealing. Interesting to note that magistrates originally tried to fine me £1650 until my brief pointed out the maximums - suggests the mags aren't that familiar with the law or don't deal with super-high speeds too often.

(No bunnies were harmed during my transgression, and I was tailed by an plain sports bike using covert video)

[POORCARDEALER]

I got 28 days ban and £400 fine for 103 on M1 at 3 in the (dry) morning...that was 22 years ago

[kiethton]

Not good, bit annoyed as last few speeding pulls have been settled via a negotiated payment with the officer at the roadside, didn't think it was worth trying that over here though...

Well I'm hoping for a week ban or 6 points with a <£200 fine, got 6 months to see if anything arrives, bit annoyed that they decided to S59 me for slowing when I was pulled out on, guess that won't help if they mention it.

Presume that all of this can be sorted via post with a cover letter and character reference?

[agtlaw]

kiethton said:

How are the fines calculated?

There is very little flexibility in the fine.

1. Determine your net weekly income. This equals N.

2. For a motorway offence - if N > 2500 then N = 2500.

3. Determine the relevant sentencing Band. N.b. 101-110 mph is "Band B" = starting point 100% of N with a range of 75-125% of the same. Maximum credit is usually limited to one-third off the starting point.

4. The fine will most likely be N x 2/3. However, the sentencing range where full credit is given is N x 1/2 to N x 5/6.

5. Don't forget the 'victim surcharge' which is an additional N x 0.1 (minimum £20. maximum £120)

6. Prosecution costs are usually £85 at the first hearing.

Example:

Net weekly income of £600. Early guilty plea. Full credit given.

Most likely fine £400 (Sentencing range of £300 to £500). Victim surchage £40. Prosecution costs £85. Total £525.

Edited by agtlaw on Monday 21st March 11:15

[kiethton]

Thanks for that, N is paye income less fixed living costs?

[agtlaw]

Full explanation by the Sentencing Council:

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/explanatory-m...

[kiethton]

Thanks for that, looks like I'm best to stick to the assumed £440

[tapereel]

kiethton said:

Thanks for that, looks like I'm best to stick to the assumed £440 70mph

Why not tell the magistrates the law and a ban are really inconvenient for you. That might work.

[kiethton]

Plan to, just need to see what precautions I can take to limit the impact/minimise the fine...we all know it's a load of bks anyway...if The basic assumption is £440 and I actually earn double its easier to let them roll with what they have. In the meantime I can get my salary paid elsewhere/take responsibility for commitments I don't normally have my weekly income number will equate to a fine lower than it would normally. Managed to get off the last instance with a pretty small bribe, shame it couldn't be done this time eh'

Only thing that pisses me off is that today they decided to give me a S59 in addition, why?, because when I was pulled out on I ended up a little too close behind a moron that couldn't use their mirrors- need to work out how I appeal this as I don't accept it on reflection, thing is I can't see a way to do this - I am going to put a private plate on the car so I don't have the marker pinging up though...

Long and short of it is although I clocked the car it was obviously too late, I have enough st to put up with, I'm capable of driving far faster as is the car, being banned for longer than a week or at a push 2 is no go, I can't get to work without a motorbike so couldn't pay bills that'd be far worse for the economy eh'

Out of interest are the summons letters sent signed for - as I currently don't live anywhere fixed its going to my parents, can they just turn it away so it 6m times out?

[johnwilliams77]

kiethton said:

Plan to, just need to see what precautions I can take to limit the impact/minimise the fine...we all know it's a load of bks anyway...if The basic assumption is £440 and I actually earn double its easier to let them roll with what they have. In the meantime I can get my salary paid elsewhere/take responsibility for commitments I don't normally have my weekly income number will equate to a fine lower than it would normally. Managed to get off the last instance with a pretty small bribe, shame it couldn't be done this time eh'

Only thing that pisses me off is that today they decided to give me a S59 in addition, why?, because when I was pulled out on I ended up a little too close behind a moron that couldn't use their mirrors- need to work out how I appeal this as I don't accept it on reflection, thing is I can't see a way to do this - I am going to put a private plate on the car so I don't have the marker pinging up though...

Long and short of it is although I clocked the car it was obviously too late, I have enough st to put up with, I'm capable of driving far faster as is the car, being banned for longer than a week or at a push 2 is no go, I can't get to work without a motorbike so couldn't pay bills that'd be far worse for the economy eh'

Out of interest are the summons letters sent signed for - as I currently don't live anywhere fixed its going to my parents, can they just turn it away so it 6m times out?

Jesus christ - stop complaining. Do +100mph and everyone knows what can happen: righty or wrongly, it doesn't matter.

[kiethton]

johnwilliams77 said:

kiethton said:

Plan to, just need to see what precautions I can take to limit the impact/minimise the fine...we all know it's a load of bks anyway...if The basic assumption is £440 and I actually earn double its easier to let them roll with what they have. In the meantime I can get my salary paid elsewhere/take responsibility for commitments I don't normally have my weekly income number will equate to a fine lower than it would normally. Managed to get off the last instance with a pretty small bribe, shame it couldn't be done this time eh'

Only thing that pisses me off is that today they decided to give me a S59 in addition, why?, because when I was pulled out on I ended up a little too close behind a moron that couldn't use their mirrors- need to work out how I appeal this as I don't accept it on reflection, thing is I can't see a way to do this - I am going to put a private plate on the car so I don't have the marker pinging up though...

Long and short of it is although I clocked the car it was obviously too late, I have enough st to put up with, I'm capable of driving far faster as is the car, being banned for longer than a week or at a push 2 is no go, I can't get to work without a motorbike so couldn't pay bills that'd be far worse for the economy eh'

Out of interest are the summons letters sent signed for - as I currently don't live anywhere fixed its going to my parents, can they just turn it away so it 6m times out?

Jesus christ - stop complaining. Do +100mph and everyone knows what can happen: righty or wrongly, it doesn't matter.

I aknowledge that and have done the whole hog, just a bit frauatrated and am trying play the system to limit the impact, what's so wrong with that?

I'm currently buying a new house which is stretching my finances already, there is a time where it could have happened and been swallowed but it's not now...

[johnwilliams77]

kiethton said:

I aknowledge that and have done the whole hog, just a bit frauatrated and am trying play the system to limit the impact, what's so wrong with that?

I'm currently buying a new house which is stretching my finances already, there is a time where it could have happened and been swallowed but it's not now...

Nothing is wrong with it, it is completely normal and that's not what I was talking about at all.

Complaining that you have: 'enough st to put up with' doens't really do you any favours. We all chose to speed and you choose to speed excessively.

[kippax]

Dick_Phallus said:

I thought maximum ban for speeding was 56 days?

If prosecuted for speeding only then yes 56 day van is the maximum.

I got 2 week ban & £500 fine for 127mph on dual carriageway thanks to strong mitigation