Threatened Dismissal - Options?
Discussion
Before we go all Daily Mail (what good that will do I don't know either), I'm confused by this - why (beyond hysterical knee jerkism from the local community) do you feel it is a sackable offence?
That would not fix the fact a child has eaten something they shouldn't have, and this does happen in life - so is this not down to the school Head to issue huge apologies and ensure and assure the complainants by tightening up procedures this can never happen again? The head of teh kitchen seriously does not need to become a scrificial lamb if the Head deals with it sensitively, but strongly with the family and community leaders.
For some reason (I may have missed) your wife is thinking the worst, which should absolutely not be the case, she just has to show how the successful turnaround of eating habits in good feedback from her management and fellow staff who use the canteen to underline that this was just a mistake, quality is usually impeccable and will not happen again.
EDIT - just read the above post - the Head is playing a really stupid game - good luck - better advice will come along...
That would not fix the fact a child has eaten something they shouldn't have, and this does happen in life - so is this not down to the school Head to issue huge apologies and ensure and assure the complainants by tightening up procedures this can never happen again? The head of teh kitchen seriously does not need to become a scrificial lamb if the Head deals with it sensitively, but strongly with the family and community leaders.
For some reason (I may have missed) your wife is thinking the worst, which should absolutely not be the case, she just has to show how the successful turnaround of eating habits in good feedback from her management and fellow staff who use the canteen to underline that this was just a mistake, quality is usually impeccable and will not happen again.
EDIT - just read the above post - the Head is playing a really stupid game - good luck - better advice will come along...
Edited by prand on Tuesday 17th January 12:33
GroundEffect said:
ZOLLAR said:
GroundEffect said:
ZOLLAR said:
I'm not sure how she would be in bother it was one of her staff that gave the child the food not her?.
All about accountability. The buck stops with the boss. What ever happened to "s
t happens"?, they should just get over it.At some point this is likely to happen in a mixed religion school.
FFS religion is a proper headache.
ScoobyDood said:
You are assuming we live in a fair and equal society - Sadly not
Well then, if she gets the chop this lines up for not following correct procedure. She needs to be able to give her side of the story e.g. "no, there was no sausage on her plate, it was a funny shape carrot".Do I think she'll get sacked? No. Written warning? Possibly.
WTF.
I feel sorry for your mrs.
Her previous employement and qualifications show that she is more than likely a decent person.
Why do these communities feel the need to escalate things like this.
I am not white myself and never ever use 'race' or go to my community (whatever that is) to fight my battles.
Unless the server held the kid down and fed her the pork, it seems utterly over the top to escalate this.
Next kids who prefer Halal will go into mcdonalds and order something they shouldn't and then sue McDonalds.
This thread makes me very very sad.
I feel sorry for your mrs.
Her previous employement and qualifications show that she is more than likely a decent person.
Why do these communities feel the need to escalate things like this.
I am not white myself and never ever use 'race' or go to my community (whatever that is) to fight my battles.
Unless the server held the kid down and fed her the pork, it seems utterly over the top to escalate this.
Next kids who prefer Halal will go into mcdonalds and order something they shouldn't and then sue McDonalds.
This thread makes me very very sad.
The Beaver King said:
Sounds like fking bks to me.
Does she get to attend this meeting in order to defend herself?
In the end, the Muslim community have no more rights than the Christian or any other community based at the school. Seeing as Halal meat is served throughout the remainder of the year, I see no reason why the other religious groups shouldn't be given consideration on their main religious days.
In the end, if the stupid little muslim cow didn't want a 'pig in a blanket' she should of refused. How the hell are the canteen staff supposed to keep track of who is muslim and who isn't?
Of course if you worked on the theory that all Asian kids were muslim, you'd have the racist card thrown in our face and be in exactly the same position. Makes my piss boil...
This ^^king bks to me.Does she get to attend this meeting in order to defend herself?
In the end, the Muslim community have no more rights than the Christian or any other community based at the school. Seeing as Halal meat is served throughout the remainder of the year, I see no reason why the other religious groups shouldn't be given consideration on their main religious days.
In the end, if the stupid little muslim cow didn't want a 'pig in a blanket' she should of refused. How the hell are the canteen staff supposed to keep track of who is muslim and who isn't?
Of course if you worked on the theory that all Asian kids were muslim, you'd have the racist card thrown in our face and be in exactly the same position. Makes my piss boil...
Edited by The Beaver King on Tuesday 17th January 12:25
Apart from the boiling of wee bit.
ScoobyDood said:
It was left (the kid really should have asked for a replacement plate but didn't)
It was only one plate
Also, the hypocrisy of this whole affair is that thge majority of the Muslim kids who have breakfast ask specifically for bacon!!
I think that this point could be very helpful to your wife's predicament. If it can be shwon that muslim kids are freely eating pork during school year, the serving staff would surely be accustomed to this and not necessarily question the fact that pork is beaing eaten by muslims, hence the issue with the single PIB at Christmas. It was only one plate
Also, the hypocrisy of this whole affair is that thge majority of the Muslim kids who have breakfast ask specifically for bacon!!
If everyone in the canteen was trained correctly and signed off by the OPs partner or designated trainer then it's the person that served the food that should be reprimanded.
Clearly a sacking isn't within 'punishment fitting the crime' is it?
The problems with school is, the head is only the head when they are looking after day to day schooling but when it comes to issues you have a group of governors that essentially don't know dick about anything other than a league table and my daughter goes there. In terms of employment law the OPs partner can't be summarily dismissed without going through the correct process which then goes back to wrongful dismissal and the Daily Mail but it would be nice to not have to get there.
Clearly a sacking isn't within 'punishment fitting the crime' is it?
The problems with school is, the head is only the head when they are looking after day to day schooling but when it comes to issues you have a group of governors that essentially don't know dick about anything other than a league table and my daughter goes there. In terms of employment law the OPs partner can't be summarily dismissed without going through the correct process which then goes back to wrongful dismissal and the Daily Mail but it would be nice to not have to get there.
But surely if the child chooses the food and then decides to eat it, instead of waiting for an alternative, why should the school staff be responsible?
Is the next step policing each plate of food chosen by the pupil, before they take it to the table and eat it, to ensure that it is right for them?
As said earlier, if these same kids go to McD's or KFC etc and buy food, are the food chains then responsible if that child has bought something that they shouldn't?
Can't the child be responsible for this?
I feel really gutted for your wife - she should not have to go through this!
Is the next step policing each plate of food chosen by the pupil, before they take it to the table and eat it, to ensure that it is right for them?
As said earlier, if these same kids go to McD's or KFC etc and buy food, are the food chains then responsible if that child has bought something that they shouldn't?
Can't the child be responsible for this?
I feel really gutted for your wife - she should not have to go through this!
ScoobyDood said:
BarnatosGhost said:
How old was the student? If she was 5, sadly, (and ridiculously) I think your missus is in bother.
If she was 11, I don't think she should be held at all responsible.
13 - It's a Comprehensive schoolIf she was 11, I don't think she should be held at all responsible.
BarnatosGhost said:
Did your missus complain at being 'forced' to serve non-halal food?
It is multi-cultural and for ease of preparation it was decided to go 100% Halal (it all tastes the same!!)After all, if the 100% halal policy was made for good reasons, then the person who threw the policy out for a single day would need VERY good reasons for doing so. They should be called to account for that decision. Your wife presumably wouldn't have taken that decision herself?
And the 13 yo knew they shouldn't eat bacon (which is clear, becasue they went home and 'grassed'), then they should be held responsible for their own decision to eat it. Understandable, it's bloody delicious, but still not on.
What are the arrangements at the point of service? Does a child have to specifically request halal, or is the dinner lady expect to ask, or simply to look at the pupil and make their own judgement on whether to serve halal or not?
If your good lady ends up worse off for this it really is an outrage.
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